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Re: Vengeance and population
Another Vengeance night...
This is not the same Vengeance that I knew from last year, when the campaign was locked on all 3 factions.
What in the oblivion is going on with this campaign? Why is it so empty and so stale?
@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom, please explain why this event is failing?
RaikaNA
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Re: Vengeance and population
moderatelyfatman wrote: »It looks like Cyrodiil is now as balanced as the 8v8 BGs.
My greatest fear about ESO is that they mandate vengeance mode just like they do for these "tests".
That ZOS hasn't recognized the folly of 2 team BG's scares me immensely because it means they're likely going to continue on with this vengeance nonsense.
At this point it almost feels like they're trying to kill the game. So many management decisions over last couple years that are baffling and apparently somewhat random makes it seem like the devs are very out of touch with their own game. The two team BG's, jabs animation and a whole list of past mistakes that ZOS refuses to backtrack on is wearing the customer base very thin when it comes to trust and game satisfaction.
Re: The Official Vengeance Test Campaign Feedback Thread (Test 3)
I was able to get into large-scale battles.
Latency in large-scale battles was okay, but not noticeably better than before. Combat did not feel fun, largely due to the simplified abilities.
With simplified abilities, battles are a pure numbers game; whichever faction has more players online wins. There are no bomber builds or counterplay options, discouraging people from staying logged in and worsening the overall situation.
None of my characters became corrupted.
Initial Thoughts on the Vengeance Test:
The Vengeance test sounds like a good idea, but in practice, these changes are not enjoyable. The simplified PvP system removes depth, creativity, and build diversity, which makes the experience less fun for everyone and turns it into a numbers game.
General Feedback:
If Vengeance fully replaces Gray Host, Cyrodiil will be in trouble. While the forums only represent a small portion of the community, the broader player sentiment toward Vengeance is very negative. For example, my PvP guild, Blue Magic, of over 500 members, has little to no interest in this type of gameplay. The lack of meaningful builds removes uniqueness and creativity, which are core to what makes PvP fun and what makes ESO such an amazing game.
Latency in large-scale battles was okay, but not noticeably better than before. Combat did not feel fun, largely due to the simplified abilities.
With simplified abilities, battles are a pure numbers game; whichever faction has more players online wins. There are no bomber builds or counterplay options, discouraging people from staying logged in and worsening the overall situation.
None of my characters became corrupted.
Initial Thoughts on the Vengeance Test:
The Vengeance test sounds like a good idea, but in practice, these changes are not enjoyable. The simplified PvP system removes depth, creativity, and build diversity, which makes the experience less fun for everyone and turns it into a numbers game.
General Feedback:
If Vengeance fully replaces Gray Host, Cyrodiil will be in trouble. While the forums only represent a small portion of the community, the broader player sentiment toward Vengeance is very negative. For example, my PvP guild, Blue Magic, of over 500 members, has little to no interest in this type of gameplay. The lack of meaningful builds removes uniqueness and creativity, which are core to what makes PvP fun and what makes ESO such an amazing game.
Avxur
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Re: Vengeance has officially ended the THREE BANNERS WAR
i see pc/na in most time is 0,and have few one chat and play there
but first time Vengeance have all full and need queue15 min
I don't really understand pvp test, if no one play this,how does this help in testing the cap? why choose in pve event do this
but first time Vengeance have all full and need queue15 min
I don't really understand pvp test, if no one play this,how does this help in testing the cap? why choose in pve event do this
Vengeance is Dead.
Primetime on PC NA: Three bars of EP to nothing else. EP at 2-3x AD or DC (combined) pop.
The campaign has zero functional ability to counter superior numbers, so faction stacking every keep always wins.
Then literally gate camping the campaign to death when there's nothing else left.
This has to be the most embarrassing gameplay I've ever seen and it is direct result of Vengeance being an unmitigated failure of game balance.
Speedrunning the Ravenwatch death spiral. GG.
The campaign has zero functional ability to counter superior numbers, so faction stacking every keep always wins.
Then literally gate camping the campaign to death when there's nothing else left.
This has to be the most embarrassing gameplay I've ever seen and it is direct result of Vengeance being an unmitigated failure of game balance.
Speedrunning the Ravenwatch death spiral. GG.
Re: Vengeance has officially ended the THREE BANNERS WAR
Four_Fingers wrote: »Since when did a test with bad timing became platform wars?
When it became the only ESO related PvP that still works.
Is it time for ZOS to give us an official statement of intentions regarding future vengeance plans?
There is a huge dichotomy between the statement of intent for vengeance and the future of Cyrodiil PvP and how we're seeing ZOS present newer versions of vengeance.
ZOS, not lately but originally, said that vengeance was just a test mode and that it will not replace current live Cyrodiil. But everything they've said and done regarding vengeance since the first test seems to indicate that ZOS has every intention of making vengeance a permanent campaign at some point, and possibly even replacing current live cyrodiil with vengeance.
In your opinion, is it time for ZOS to make an official statement on their intentions of the future of Cyrodiil and whether or not the long term plan is to replace current live mode with a form of vengeance?
I feel this statement is hugely needed right now given how much contention there is on the forums regarding this issue. An official statement from ZOS on this will go a long way to toning down the conflict on the forum while at the same time allowing us to plan our future in regards to ESO.
@ZOS_Kevin
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_RichLambert
@ZOS_MattFiror
@ZOS_Phoenix
@ZOS_Adrikoth
ZOS, not lately but originally, said that vengeance was just a test mode and that it will not replace current live Cyrodiil. But everything they've said and done regarding vengeance since the first test seems to indicate that ZOS has every intention of making vengeance a permanent campaign at some point, and possibly even replacing current live cyrodiil with vengeance.
In your opinion, is it time for ZOS to make an official statement on their intentions of the future of Cyrodiil and whether or not the long term plan is to replace current live mode with a form of vengeance?
I feel this statement is hugely needed right now given how much contention there is on the forums regarding this issue. An official statement from ZOS on this will go a long way to toning down the conflict on the forum while at the same time allowing us to plan our future in regards to ESO.
@ZOS_Kevin
@ZOS_BrianWheeler
@ZOS_GinaBruno
@ZOS_RichLambert
@ZOS_MattFiror
@ZOS_Phoenix
@ZOS_Adrikoth
Re: Vengeance has officially ended the THREE BANNERS WAR
PS/NA here.
I played a lot yesterday and when I first entered campaign and my first earned AP showed I was 27th place…..big yikes
Uhhhhhh guys?! Hello?!
ECHO!…Echo…echo
It’s happening, it’s finally happening.
In all seriousness I did see some of the usual names sprinkled in IC and rando BGs though.
It’s always the SAME names now!
I played a lot yesterday and when I first entered campaign and my first earned AP showed I was 27th place…..big yikes
Uhhhhhh guys?! Hello?!
ECHO!…Echo…echo
It’s happening, it’s finally happening.
In all seriousness I did see some of the usual names sprinkled in IC and rando BGs though.
It’s always the SAME names now!
ercknn
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Re: Vengeance has officially ended the THREE BANNERS WAR
MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »???MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »
I know OP is PS player.
They, console players post here on forum how:
1) Nobody plays Vengeance, and
2) Many of them posted how their PvP guilds are boycotting Vengeance.
So narrative here is that, logically, players reject Vengeance test and is obviously a failure.
Except, I posted that PC EU has 3 bars for each faction in prime time, and Vengeance 1 bar = 3 bars normally.
Screenshot is from the last evening from obviously PC EU just to show that there are players who play and enjoy Vengeance.
So, this projection from consoles how Vengeance is a failure is not true for PC EU mega server, and again PC EU mega server has officially the biggest player population.
And where do you have from that 3 bars in gh are 1 bar in vengeance?
Seems like youre just making up things because you dont like the opinions others have.
Its more like the OP is saying Consoles dont like vengeance since nobody is playing it and youre just projecting it to PC claiming people are liking it.
Different audition, different circumstances, different opinions
On PC there's an addon called miats pvp alerts. With it, you can view the total amount of players in a single area, including those on enemy factions. In the first vengeance test, it told me there were ~250 players on EP alone at arrius. This was an accurate number too btw, the addon doesn't inflate numbers. After the fight, I ported back to the main base and it told me there were ~20 standing at spawn. Now, some of these players may have had the same idea as me, but with how many of them were by the gate, I would wager the total population per alliance during vengeance is 300. I don't know the pop cap per alliance in GH, but I would say it's anywhere from 50-60. I never tested to be sure, but I'm confident that is the cap due to how empty cyrodiil is even at peak times.
The bars on the campaign screen indicate how full the campaign is. Since there 3 bars, it makes sense that an alliance will hit a bar every 1/3 of the way. Say that we take vengeance's and GH's upper guesses, so 60 and 300. For an alliance to gain 1 bar in GH, there would need to be at least 20 players in the campaign on that alliance. There will need to be 60 for it to pop lock. Now for vengeance, it will work the same way, but the number is now higher. For an alliance to gain 1 bar in vengeance, there would need to be at least 100 players in the campaign on that alliance. There will need to be 300 for it to pop lock.
All vengeance is doing on console is showing how low of a population consoles have. That's it. Console players are taking it as vengeance killing pvp, but it's actually them protesting over a misunderstanding.
If all this is true, then let me state this: Before vengeance PS EU Cyro had partwise 3 - 2- 2 bars for the most of the evenings.
With the increased numbers of vengeance it should be at least 1-0-0 and action.
But there is no action, no fights with more then 5-10 kills, no bars.
Im just about consoles, vengeance made the decline of pvp population go faster and killed it off.
