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Re: [REQUEST] Permanent Vengeance Test Campaign
MincMincMinc wrote: »Vengeance is fine for a learning environment. Actually it is probably ideal for a learning environment in today's game. Early on ESO was far more vertical progression wise. Vertical progression had tiers to separate playerbases which is why we had u50 and then nocp and then you finally got to vetcp campaigns. However now that ESO is such a wide horizontal progression game there is no way to split up the playerbase. New players are cp160 within the first day if they want.
The only way to create those learning environments with horizontal progression is to cut back on systems. However at a certain point people wonder what systems are enabled? what about this or that? Which can be worse in some cases because it clouds the experience making the new player learn tons of more stuff just to play something that should be easier. This was the issue with the NOPROC nocp campaign. Even 10year vet players like me had to spend hours and hours testing random sets to see what worked. How can you expect new players to participate, who dont keep up with pts and patch notes or even read wiki pages and build editors.
IMO replacing the u50 and nocp campaign is a nobrainer, they are beyond dead. Then have two cp 30 day campaigns. Testing wise for proper data you NEED the ballgroup and vet CP guild group players though. THEY are the lag. How they play, the choices they make, the skills they prefer, the effects they choose. There will be very clear performance demand differences from ball group players vs lvl10 new players spamming light attack only.
The other major design hole we are seeing is right now vengeance now has its own system for stat changes. This was probably put in place to quickly allow players during testing to have build choice to some degree, while allowing zos to introduce and plug and play systems on demand. IMO they should have made the simple perk and loadout system MIMIC item sets and bonuses, mundus, enchants. As a training tool give new players a basic menu so they could learn about pairing item sets and quickly swap choices they would normally do ingame. Then start baking in each of the mundus, enchant, gear, item set bonus systems as they get vengeance reworks. Slowly greying them out in the vengeance test menu.
Except vengeance is in no way preparation for actual live PvP. It's templated no skill zergfest. That's NOT how to prepare someone to create and play builds.
Game design 101, you should be tailoring the newer player experiences to mimic endgame. For instance the loadout and perk system should be replaced with vengeance item sets and other stat changes as you test to add them back in. A big simple step would be to make the cyrodil base spawn areas have gear vendors and crafting stations where you can make basic vengeance item sets. Or food, or mundus, or enchants. Literally put it in peoples faces or force them through a quest to make a basic gear layout. Literally make a starter training course off to the side where you are shown how CCs and CC breaking works, its no different than any other video game intro.
Do we think live u50 pvp and nocp are any comparison to live greyhost pvp? You have maybe 10 people on those servers at any given time with the maps entirely one color and at best a pvdoor with one seiger that leaves before people get in. Even live vet BGs are no comparison to 12-24 man organized ball and zerg guilds stacking proc group sets to have 10x your stats.
Keep Dropping out on PC NA
Anyone else having issues with PC NA. I can only stay logged in a few mins and everything starts to freeze, then I lose connection......
Aram500
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Re: Gatekeeping and the Beam Meta
Nah it's bad players. There will always be a best set right up until they put us all in the same gear like the PvP tests that are happening. Then players will want to kick you for not running to next pull quick enough or standing in the wrong spot or who knows what. Those bad players are still going to be bad players.
What changes would make the bad players suddenly become decent?
its not "just bad player" prior to this year i've NEVER seen that many group in group finder actively refusing HA or onebar build.
If you want to stay on copium and say everything normal and its always been that way, well i can't pull you out of your cognitive dissonance.
See when you insult the messenger that tells me you don't have a legitimate response to the message. Again I ask what changes to the game would make these players with bad attitudes suddenly start acting decent?
Calling out copium isn’t an insult, it’s frustration at people pretending this has always been the same. It hasn’t. I’ve played since beta, and only recently have I seen HA and one-bar players consistently refused in group finder. That shift didn’t come out of nowhere, it came from design changes funneling everyone into one meta. No change will magically make every rude player ‘act decent,’ but better balance and viable alternatives would remove the excuses people hide behind to gatekeep in the first place.
Also played since Beta and remember standing outside a dungeon hoping to be picked up for a group only to be asked what armor and skills I had on. I remember guilds only allowing players to join groups after completing a parse on a specific boss before we had target dummies. Some groups required a player prove they finished vet Maelstrom Arena before allowing that player to join. Claimed it proved situational awareness and the ability to do the mechanics. Requiring certain sets or preformance proof has always been a part of the game because of the players that make those demands.
The one-bar builds are getting grief now because so many players posted them in social media as a quick easy way to get high numbers. That led to a lot of less experienced players using the build and believing the hype. Those that can use the build effective got caught up in the generalization of it being a crutch build for beginners. For a while the one bar build was the flavor of the month and now it is not. Not the games fault.
Almost any build is viable unless you are trying for a trifecta or a place on the leader board. Some players demand certain builds in their groups hoping the high DPS will allow them to ignore mechanics. Again that is a player problem not a game problem. There will always be a META and there will always be players that make demands even if the difference is minimal.
I'm all for better balance but better balance isn't going to fix the problem that is being addressed here.
kargen27
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Re: What's So Fun About PvP?
My friend who enjoy PvP like the challenge of fighting other players.
Re: What's So Fun About PvP?
ESO only game with this level of build diversity and PvP which doesn't gimp you for having fun. DOTA might have more strategy but this has the most fun builds when it comes to PvP.
Kappachi
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Re: Gatekeeping and the Beam Meta
frogthroat wrote: »Alchimiste1 wrote: »Sorry, but I'm not going to carry a HA DD
But why? I neeeeed carry because it's late and I am too tired to do a second parse.
Edit: oh yeah, and this is practically one bar. Replace back bar crit surge with spell power potions and you never need to visit the back bar.
98K, and area damage only accounts for about 40% of total DPS.
In contrast, any Arc/NB or DK or Templar can reach up to 120K up, with area damage accounting for 7-80% of total DPS. It also has self-healing (Cephaliarch's Flail), a shield (Fatecarver), and can achieve 125% critical damage and 18,200 pen without requiring a sup.
Any sane RL taking on a high-difficulty Trial would prefer the latter over the former.
Re: Would you like an event that gave us more transmute crystals as a reward?
DenverRalphy wrote: »The event is already dropping substantially more than double transmute crystals. Every reward box you open drops some.
I haven't received any transmutes this event aside from the usual reward from the pledge turn ins. I opened maybe 14 boxes so far, which I know isn't a lot, but I should have seen at least one box with transmutes? Unless you mean the daily randoms, which I don't do.
Previous event boxes gave us a chance for a handful of transmutes, I really appreciated those.
Re: This is how ESO recovers: a tale of two MMOs
I occasionally find something to hold onto that makes me feel like they might be listening to feedback and that the game will improve for me. The last comment about subclassing has pretty much made me give up hope now. The time for listening has passed, by the time they ever do, if they even do, it will be too late to turn the ship around.
I just try to get as much enjoyment out of the game as I can. All elements that I play in have been degraded though, PvE, PvP, housing. Every time I log in I remember how much better those things used to be.
I just try to get as much enjoyment out of the game as I can. All elements that I play in have been degraded though, PvE, PvP, housing. Every time I log in I remember how much better those things used to be.
Re: Sorc class set "Beacon of Oblivion" now just a subclass set
@NxJoeyD testing a % damage done set in a solo environment should appear stronger because it's not being diluted by diminishing returns found from stacking group damage done debuff/buffs you wouldn't have access to.
On the other hand, using a crit set combo like Advancing Yokeda and Sliver of Null Arca in solo possibly wouldn't appear as strong comparatively because you don't have max 125% Crit Damage, nor are you getting any use from minor slayer on a world boss, you're getting much less value there.
This is why the trial dummy is useful because it takes these 2 factors into account.
That said, it's a decent solo or small group set, but it should fall off for trials unless you really value that 1.2k health and 1.5k armor, but I'd argue a good group shouldn't have their DDs prioritize these stats over DPS ones. If things go wrong like you said, maybe you don't run in an optimized group or pug most of the time, then that wiggle room could be useful and maybe the set comes ahead.
You could say it increases your healing done, but so does Crit Chance or Weapon/Spell Damage. In the case of Crit Surge for example, taking Beacon over Advancing Yokeda is a loss of -20% Crit chance. That is massive.
About the pet side of the set, it's completely useless. A damage dealing pet Sorc does not need armor and health in any competitive capacity, full stop. A tank wouldn't want this either, it's just a worse version of Fortified Brass which no one has used for 8 or 9 years.
Above all else, this set is just poorly implemented from a design standpoint. It's dead in PvP and punishes you for using pets instead of rewarding you. No pet Sorc has the Storm Calling and Dark Magic skill lines for potential damage dealing sets, it's almost like they knew the Storm Calling set was so bad, they chose to throw us a bone with Beacon.
If they wanted to make a Daedric Summoning set for tank/damage dealing, they could of easily made a summoned pet like Maw which scales it's damage based on your w/s damage which applies a debuff with a duration that scales based on your Max HP. What they ended up making is so unbelievably bland, it completely defeats the fun factor of class specific set potential.
On the other hand, using a crit set combo like Advancing Yokeda and Sliver of Null Arca in solo possibly wouldn't appear as strong comparatively because you don't have max 125% Crit Damage, nor are you getting any use from minor slayer on a world boss, you're getting much less value there.
This is why the trial dummy is useful because it takes these 2 factors into account.
That said, it's a decent solo or small group set, but it should fall off for trials unless you really value that 1.2k health and 1.5k armor, but I'd argue a good group shouldn't have their DDs prioritize these stats over DPS ones. If things go wrong like you said, maybe you don't run in an optimized group or pug most of the time, then that wiggle room could be useful and maybe the set comes ahead.
You could say it increases your healing done, but so does Crit Chance or Weapon/Spell Damage. In the case of Crit Surge for example, taking Beacon over Advancing Yokeda is a loss of -20% Crit chance. That is massive.
About the pet side of the set, it's completely useless. A damage dealing pet Sorc does not need armor and health in any competitive capacity, full stop. A tank wouldn't want this either, it's just a worse version of Fortified Brass which no one has used for 8 or 9 years.
Above all else, this set is just poorly implemented from a design standpoint. It's dead in PvP and punishes you for using pets instead of rewarding you. No pet Sorc has the Storm Calling and Dark Magic skill lines for potential damage dealing sets, it's almost like they knew the Storm Calling set was so bad, they chose to throw us a bone with Beacon.
If they wanted to make a Daedric Summoning set for tank/damage dealing, they could of easily made a summoned pet like Maw which scales it's damage based on your w/s damage which applies a debuff with a duration that scales based on your Max HP. What they ended up making is so unbelievably bland, it completely defeats the fun factor of class specific set potential.
Re: Companions should have Skill Styles, too!
But what about skill styles? This would add another layer of customization to our Companions and I'd love to see it.
