For me, fighting other players challenges me more then NPC's and Boss fights. It takes a different skill set to predict people over AI. I enjoy the challenge. For some people it is much more.

My friend who enjoy PvP like the challenge of fighting other players.

Horace-Wimp wrote: »

I'm not trolling. I genuinely would like to know what is so fun about PvP?
Why do YOU do it?
What is it about PvP that gets you motivated to focus your playtime doing it?

I see these threads complaining about Vengeance and other threads complaining PvP in general and while entertaining to a certain degree they make we wonder why do it at all if it's no fun?

I just felt like asking. Danke.

My best memories were of a mob of guildies, half of whom had already consumed a significant amount of alcohol, doing a drunken raid through Cyrodiil. By the end of the night half the group wanted to siege keeps we already owned. In particular, there was a church outside of the keeps (Castle Brindle) which was non-capturable but we decided to make it our new home (we were EP).

PvP never really was about winning for us, it was about a group of friends getting together and having fun.

There are no mechanics that you can learn one time and then just go on autopilot.

Players may have their unique patterns, but they will also adapt to a specific situation.

PvP keeps supprising you. PvE you learn once and then it's just the same thing all over.

Winning against a sentient being is more challenging and rewarding than winning against a piece of software.

For me the fun lies in creating roleplay builds that can stand their ground in PvE and PvP. For example: People would be quick to vote kick me in PvE when they'd see my inflated health bar and in PvP my sustained DPS is unreasonably high compared to my burst. The worst of both worlds, but fully in character and very immersive.

Overcoming a dynamically changing (enemy player controlled) combat encounter against difficult odds.

The reason vengeance isn't fun is because it affects the core of what makes ESO fun - the combat system which includes it's gearing and skills. Vengeance is removing or heavily adjusting every aspect of that.

In general, I like PvP because it's not predictable like say a trial boss fight. You can have ideas of what your opponent might or should do, but there is much more excitement when you genuinely don't know what's coming next. Also, it just feels like the outcome matters more when you win or lose to another player. Not in a take it personal way, just it's satisfying to fight a good opponent and win against an actual person.

In ESO, I like that the PvP areas are different, offer different options for playstyle and tactics. Also that it's open for solo or groups. I also like the PvP community, as I often lurk solo and find strangers rez me and invite me into groups.

I think some complaints come from players who are already pretty jaded with the game and aren't willing to engage with Vengeance to help improve PvP. I'm more of the view that you should test and give feedback in order to make PvP better. I also feel some are determined that Vengeance is going to be the new ruleset and imagine that the current restrictions are going to be kept. Personally I've tried all the Vengeance versions so far and I appreciate the effort the devs are making to improve performance. I'm fully supportive of having a fully new PvP system in Cyrodiil if that means we can have huge battles without lag. I'm willing to test and give the devs a chance at fixing stuff.

There's fun in unpredictability. It's a great time to get with friends and work together towards a goal. I pvp in Cyro with a group. I'm constantly having fun both trying to improve and help the group. There's a challenge to it that's harder than anything else in the game, so when our group does well? Heck yeah, I love this game.
PvP isn't fun in Vengeance, or with low pop. Playing the same people over and over because the servers can't handle numbers or people are discouraged is the downside.

I started playing ESO during beta, did a bunch of overland, got super bored and disappointed in "Skyrim 2," left.
Restarted in 2020, did some overland and was pleased that it wasn't anywhere near as awful as it was during beta, but then tried Cyrodiil, got the prompt so why not, as soon as I hit level 10 and basically haven't left lol. For a new player of a certain constitution, getting thrown into the chaos of getting completely obliterated a few times, but seeing that that kind of power and play is achievable, is intoxicating! By comparison, that first dungeon is almost always going to be popping into the instance, somebody sprints ahead, you die to adds a couple times, get blamed for it, then you're ported to a boss, it dies, and you have more exp than understanding of wth just happened. Even in better case scenarios, playing alongside good players in PvE just makes the game happen faster, while in PvP playing alongside good players lets you play the game longer. In short, I like playing ESO, but the better I get at PvE, the faster the PvE instances end and it's just boring. The better I get at PvP, the longer I stay alive and play and enjoy my time with my teammates.

I do dungeons, trials, IA, etc but there's no comparing the memorization rhythm game of PvE to the ever-shifting dynamics of PvP. Not only are many/most of the enemies boss-level difficult, but they don't have predictable mechanics or patterns and can switch it up on you any time. It's more engaging when every encounter creates that cautious tension. Who is this? What do they do? What do I have to do to defeat them? Every encounter is unique and that's very rewarding for a lot of people. Sometimes you start learning regular names and playstyles and get a kick out of getting the better of the guy that's been harassing your group for the past half hour. Making friends by killing each other over and over happens a lot! Forcing player interaction, even through conflict, makes it feel more like an MMO rather than an exercise in parallel play.

TL;DR, for a decent amount of players, it's more fun to compete against other people than set-mechanic AI that, in most cases, has been unchanged in years.

It's dynamic because it isn't scripted. There is also great satisfaction in knowing you outsmarted or outplayed others that are passionate about it. Lastly, it's much more open to creative builds. You could, for instance, try your hand at a build focused on debuffs and general group utility. As long as you're contributing to a win, you're good.

Similar reasons to others in the thread, PvP is dynamic and always different.

But also, it's kinder to my hands, weirdly. PvP is a lot of clicking in bursts, then a lot of opportunities to rest your hands. The variety is easier on my hands than standing behind bosses and doing a repetitive rotation. (This only applies to Cyrodiil of course, not BGs.)

For me, I play ESO for the werewolf gameplay. I've found a guild who runs PvP and PvE in Werewolf form, so here's what I think about both experiences in a full Werewolf group:

• PvE is, for the most part, impossible to lose. If we start a dungeon or trial run, we know exactly what we're getting into, and it's just a matter of time until we clear it. That's of course barring any mechanics that would force us out of Werewolf form (such as the requirement to sneak, bar swap, crossheal, attack from range, etc) that we cannot do. For the most part, content is doable in a group while in Werewolf form from start to end.
• PvP, on the other hand, is like playing with the odds stacked against us. We know Werewolf isn't the meta setup for anything, and yet we still run it because it's fun. We die a lot, and sometimes don't score many kills as our targets Streak away and cleanse. It's rewarding when we do manage to get kills, though. Some of us make our own Werewolf builds that can last a long time in duels, and sometimes we build for group support. PvP is fun because anything goes, and it's an unpredictable environment that rewards coordination.

In essence, I play PvP because it's a genuine challenge. You aren't guaranteed to win in PvP. So any victories in PvP are genuine, and to do it on an off meta setup makes it actually mean something to me.

Marronsuisse wrote: »

Similar reasons to others in the thread, PvP is dynamic and always different.

But also, it's kinder to my hands, weirdly. PvP is a lot of clicking in bursts, then a lot of opportunities to rest your hands. The variety is easier on my hands than standing behind bosses and doing a repetitive rotation. (This only applies to Cyrodiil of course, not BGs.)

Yes, this is true for me too. I solo in Cyrodiil so I can take a break from the action and just go watch a keep that might be in danger of being attacked if I have to do furious button mashing for too long.

Being in a group is harder because they never stop going and I don’t feel like I can just take a break and catch up later.