Upcoming Campaign Changes

frwinters_ESO · June 2014

@ZOS_brianwheeler Its approximately a week before new update patch and this thread is pumping. Can we get some of your thoughts as to whats going to happen? I am assuming you plan to end the campaigns when the new content patch releases?

supernico · June 2014

5 and 7 days campaigns are a joke. But yes, the penalty for changing home/guest campaign should increase and "Travel to Player" option in Cyrodiil should be removed.

Cogo · June 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Starshadw wrote: »

demonlkojipub19_ESO wrote: »

I think now those buffs shouldn't leave cyrodil..

I confess I'm starting to lean this exact same way. PvP buffs of any kind should be in PvP only. They shouldn't transfer out into the PvE world. I suspect this might help curtail Emperor farming in and of itself.

I disagree. Having the buffs in PvE can help draw people into Cyrodil to Make sure they have there buffs for dungeons and trials, etc etc.

I agree. Sure, Those players who have not fought in the war to earn this buff, will get it. BUT, if the alliance do not win in Cyro....there is no buff.

I am one player, who never been interested in PvP, who now enjoys Cyro AND helping our alliance to rule, is adding to the game for me.

Trust me, I had 0 interest in any PVP when I started ESO.

Not all players even know where this buff they have come from. When they find out. This is exactly what will happen. They dont have the buff and want it. Then off to Cyro they go!

Rylana · June 2014

complete one PvP mission in Cyrodiil daily to unlock a 24 hour out of Cyrodiil buff based on what your campaign holds at the time you complete the mission

That I could go for.

Cogo · June 2014

Rylana wrote: »

complete one PvP mission in Cyrodiil daily to unlock a 24 hour out of Cyrodiil buff based on what your campaign holds at the time you complete the mission

That I could go for.

Very good idea!

Maybe should add if you are part of taking a farm/castle or even catapulting down a wall....should give you this buff as well.

A very very good idea. Sure, you dont have to be among the brave warriors who fight for a long time for victory, but you do your part....and IF our alliance are victorious.....you gain from it.

You should feedback this. Do you mind if I do? (In game)

Wolfaen · June 2014

Rylana wrote: »

complete one PvP mission in Cyrodiil daily to unlock a 24 hour out of Cyrodiil buff based on what your campaign holds at the time you complete the mission

That I could go for.

Very good idea!

Maybe should add if you are part of taking a farm/castle or even catapulting down a wall....should give you this buff as well.

A very very good idea. Sure, you dont have to be among the brave warriors who fight for a long time for victory, but you do your part....and IF our alliance are victorious.....you gain from it.

You should feedback this. Do you mind if I do? (In game)

This is actually a great idea. However, I would not limit it to only give a buff based on what you campaign holds at the time you complete the mission. I think it should still change based on how your faction is doing, whether that be good or bad.

Regardless, this way people are actually contributing in PvP to get the buff. It would make the buff 100x more justifiable. I hope they make a change like this.

Cogo · June 2014

Well then feedback it in game. I just did

Ifthir_ESO · June 2014

@ZOS_BrianWheeler‌ it would be awesome if there was a MAX(sum(PlayerLevels) function that totalled up levels for players in a current campaign, by alliance, and kept all other alliances within a set variance of the # of the highest Alliance.

I.e. My alliance has currently 1000levels in our campaign. Another alliance cannot have more than 1100 levels (10% variance). If the lowest alliance drops below 900 levels, corresponding alliances start to lock out until the numbers shift.

The goal here would be some form of automated regulation.

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

Rylana wrote: »

complete one PvP mission in Cyrodiil daily to unlock a 24 hour out of Cyrodiil buff based on what your campaign holds at the time you complete the mission

That I could go for.

Worthless and pointless. Called "scouting" mission. Did you enjoy WoW MoP dalies? I think not...

deanamersb16_ESO · June 2014

I am all for the changes proposed above,The mega servers do not work, i would like to see the mega server split in to many smaller servers that make up one map and limit the amount of players in a zone.I would also like to see mini battles for the resources(or even create sub zones in the actual area that surrounds main campaign) around a keep in a form like 20v20 capture the flag or domination and make these matches where you can get a quick pvp fix for say 30 mins and que like you would for a pve dungeon.I love the idea of mass pvp but like every other game that has tried it is a fail so far. i am running i7 with 150 meg connection and i still get lag in cyodil.Mass pvp thats laggy as hell and unplayable(zerg vs another zerg is not a skill based fight) or a 20v20 where i can have a few fun fights that the mini servers can easy handle.Something has to give we have powerfull pcs imagine the xbox 1 users with there 2 meg connections and 8 Core AMD custom CPU1.75 GHz no wonder they put the game release back for console users.

gloryhammer · June 2014

Thank you for introducing non vet campaigns!

Now I can go to Cyrodil with my toon again.
The 3 times I tried that before were not fun due to playing only against vets.
The last time I didn't see a single lowbie character for the 2h I spent there.
As a casual player I won't be vet 1 till at least december so I'm glad I can play some pvp again.

cjmarsh725b14_ESO · June 2014

Please just remove guesting altogether. Pick a campaign and stick with it so that it means something and the scoring actually becomes relevant to those in the campaign. It would also keep farmers locked in the farmer campaigns.

Aoifesan · June 2014

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

If you level up into the Veteran Ranks while in the non Vet campaign, the next time you zone or log out, you will be removed from that Campaign.

Will rewards be awarded at that time as if the campaign was finished successfully?

OR

Will accumulated AP and other markers be transferred to the Equivalent VR campaign?

noVa512 · June 2014

@ZOS_BrianWheeler‌
@ZOS_GinaBruno‌
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

please raise the amount of experience gained in cyrodiil.
Players should have the opportunity to choose wether they want to level VR in PVP or PVE by receiving almost the same amount of EXP both ways.

Cogo · June 2014

noVa512 wrote: »

@ZOS_BrianWheeler‌
@ZOS_GinaBruno‌
@ZOS_JessicaFolsom‌

please raise the amount of experience gained in cyrodiil.
Players should have the opportunity to choose wether they want to level VR in PVP or PVE by receiving almost the same amount of EXP both ways.

Raise exp in Cyro, AGAIN? How many times do you need it doubled? They already added more PvP quests and more are coming.

Also, on after Tuesdays patch when Cyro will be playable for big groups again....there gonna be alot more people. I have a feeling a bit to much exp gonna come in then.

Players can choose where to exp, BUT only to level exp by PvP in ESO? Erhm...not against it, but, who plays ESO ONLY for Cyrodiil war?
Dont get me wrong. Exellent to have so dedicated soldiers to your alliance cause to rule Tamriel.

Your question about only "leveling" in Cyro battles.....um. What about the 80-90% of the rest of the game you can do?

And NO more boost to PvE exp PLEEEASE! It goes fast enough. If anything, adjust us Veteran exp to take a bit longer. Shouldn't really be so many Max level, who sometimes have 2 chars at max level, already.

If anything, ESO have shown that the journey through your levels is one of the best player experiences I have had in ANY MMO. Your level isnt really that important. There is so much to do. And everyone who plays actively get there sooner or later anyway. Either they want it or not! ;-)

I never even look at my exp bar and ding, next level.

It is important that the Highest level is hard to reach. Having a spread Tamriel with all kinds of levels, builds, type of players, and among the high end heroes, each Vet level should represent a character in Tamriel, who earned respect, battle experience, a traveler with stories that can mezzmerize a whole pub.

Even though ESO is about your choices, please remember, the end goal is not highest level. For one thing, we do not now what the "highest" level is next week. ;-)

I really like the coming plans to have vets gaining/choosing some kind of skill/ability? Not sure what it was.

BUT, PvE exp is WAY to easy. We do not need to speed that up and have this evolving world full of only highlevelers.

Next patches are VERY focus on Vet level "things". I think that itself will be enough. No need to give extra PvE exp.

While on the subject on PvE exp. Its good that Vet levels do not get exp for opening a chest. Is it really intended to get so much level exp when you open a chest? Quite a lot of my Level 1-50 exp comes from opening chests alone.
Maybe you need to take a look at that. Exp for it, yes! Bit to much thought.

See you all in the Cyrodiil war on Tuesday, when the group lag bug is on. Army forces will clash once again!

Yasha · June 2014

So any update on when these changes are going to be implemented? Is it something that will happen in a few months time or is it coming in the next patch?

Foghladha · June 2014

Cogo wrote: »

who plays ESO ONLY for Cyrodiil war?

I do I do! You wont find me outside of Cyrodiil. I bought ESO because of the 3 Way Siege Battles. We should have the same ability to level as you do outside Cyrodiil.

I just hit level 20 and have invested 4 days and 15 hours and have captured:
327 Resource, 109 Castle, 37 Outpost, and 29 Elder Scroll

My friend who is level 21 and only PvE's has invested 2 day 19 hours.
Another friend who is level 21 has only invested 1 day 18 hours.

So yeah, Cyrodiil still needs to be brought in line with the rest of the game in EXP gain.

quakedawg_ESO · June 2014

Foghladha wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

who plays ESO ONLY for Cyrodiil war?

I do I do! You wont find me outside of Cyrodiil. I bought ESO because of the 3 Way Siege Battles. We should have the same ability to level as you do outside Cyrodiil.

I just hit level 20 and have invested 4 days and 15 hours and have captured:
327 Resource, 109 Castle, 37 Outpost, and 29 Elder Scroll

My friend who is level 21 and only PvE's has invested 2 day 19 hours.
Another friend who is level 21 has only invested 1 day 18 hours.

So yeah, Cyrodiil still needs to be brought in line with the rest of the game in EXP gain.

I'd have to agree. I think if Cyrodiil spit out more xp more peeps would use this route to level up. Quite a few people signed up for ESO to do only PvP

TheGrandAlliance · June 2014

Cogo wrote: »

Raise exp in Cyro, AGAIN? How many times do you need it doubled? They already added more PvP quests and more are coming.

Uhm why do we need more EXP in PvP? Me VR3 and over 24 days /played.

/caseclose

Cogo · June 2014

quakedawg_ESO wrote: »

I'd have to agree. I think if Cyrodiil spit out more xp more peeps would use this route to level up. Quite a few people signed up for ESO to do only PvP

Um, Im sorry if I am the one to have to tell you this, but ESO isnt a pvp game....its a story driven game, with a conflict in Tamriel, which calls on all heroes and soldiers to help. But, the choice is yours what to do. Some people rather let others fight for them. I want to do my part.

We wage wars against alliances who seek to control Tamriel. The pact must stop this!

I have noticed that a few posts pointing at "what about pvp"? I wonder if someone tricked them or something. You are part of a living world. Choosing the life of a soldier is great! But Cyro is one of the many things in your journey.

But even soldiers goes home, grab some mead :-p

Cyro i already "spitting out" way to much exp and dont get me started on the spamming of mail with items you get.

The problem lately. Been a month or more? Is the lag that comes from creating bigger groups, and make it unplayable if someone isnt in the zone, or disconnects.

My crystal ball, says that when all the great things thats included in Tuesdays patch is live.....Cyro gonna be a lively place, where pvp quests, events, killing enemies.....gonna be a bit to much exp I think. But lts see tuesday! I wanna go now! Hehe. And I am not even a pvp player.

ZOS_BrianWheeler · June 2014

Hey gang!

These changes are slated for the third major update to the game (not standard maintenance windows) which isn't for a while yet.

As for population being condensed and the worry of over-crowding, all the population data we've gathered so far shows that should be at least 1 campaign in both the EU and US that players can join without a queue.

Duration of Campaigns we're still discussing but rewards will be adjusted to be in relation to the duration of the campaign. We are aware of Celarus and what's going on in that Campaign.

Also note we are aware of the Forward Camp issues and Postern Doors and actively working on fixing those as well!

Wolfaen · June 2014

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Hey gang!

These changes are slated for the third major update to the game (not standard maintenance windows) which isn't for a while yet.

As for population being condensed and the worry of over-crowding, all the population data we've gathered so far shows that should be at least 1 campaign in both the EU and US that players can join without a queue.

Duration of Campaigns we're still discussing but rewards will be adjusted to be in relation to the duration of the campaign. We are aware of Celarus and what's going on in that Campaign.

Also note we are aware of the Forward Camp issues and Postern Doors and actively working on fixing those as well!

Ack! Slated for third major update? I think this is a mistake.. ZOS should have had these changes ready for when the initial campaigns were going to end(in one week). Almost makes starting over on the current campaigns worthless.. Regardless, I am glad that you guys are at least taking steps to improve Cyrodiil and fix the current issues. I am eagerly awaiting these changes.

justin.sniesakub17_ESO · June 2014

When the current campaigns end, will everyone be receiving a free campaign switch or will it still require the 15K AP

zazamalek · June 2014

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

These changes are slated for the third major update to the game (not standard maintenance windows) which isn't for a while yet.

So my assumption is that we'll go into another 90-day campaign first?

(I'm probably one of possibly 10 players who actually like 90-day campaigns).

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

As for population being condensed and the worry of over-crowding, all the population data we've gathered so far shows that should be at least 1 campaign in both the EU and US that players can join without a queue.

Could we at least see a reduction of the current campaigns to more accurately reflect this population? At the end of the current run, that is. It would be a good opportunity to test what the "real" population is, I'm 'worried' that a bunch of players would flock back to PvP if the campaigns accurately reflected the population and queue up the joint. Maybe the next run is a good opportunity to cut campaigns and add more as needed.

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Also note we are aware of the Forward Camp issues and Postern Doors and actively working on fixing those as well!

Awesome! Can't wait for those fixes to drop!

frwinters_ESO · June 2014

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Hey gang!

These changes are slated for the third major update to the game (not standard maintenance windows) which isn't for a while yet.

As for population being condensed and the worry of over-crowding, all the population data we've gathered so far shows that should be at least 1 campaign in both the EU and US that players can join without a queue.

Duration of Campaigns we're still discussing but rewards will be adjusted to be in relation to the duration of the campaign. We are aware of Celarus and what's going on in that Campaign.

Also note we are aware of the Forward Camp issues and Postern Doors and actively working on fixing those as well!

Wait....thats opposite of you saying that you were going to end the current campaigns early isn't it? So the current campaigns will remain as 90 day campaigns, then in another 4-6 weeks they will just end and we get new campaigns?

Please clarify.

Tega_ · June 2014

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Hey gang!

These changes are slated for the third major update to the game (not standard maintenance windows) which isn't for a while yet.

As for population being condensed and the worry of over-crowding, all the population data we've gathered so far shows that should be at least 1 campaign in both the EU and US that players can join without a queue.

Duration of Campaigns we're still discussing but rewards will be adjusted to be in relation to the duration of the campaign. We are aware of Celarus and what's going on in that Campaign.

Also note we are aware of the Forward Camp issues and Postern Doors and actively working on fixing those as well!

????? so another 90 Day circle with 6-7 DEAD Campaigns?

sorry, BAD Decision......... REALLY BAD!

cjmarsh725b14_ESO · June 2014

Pushed back until 1.3? That's definitely not the kind of prioritization I was hoping for. There are a whole host of issues that don't seem to be getting the attention they need, I guess I'll be unsubbing until at least then.

shirorxb14_ESO · June 2014

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

Hey gang!

These changes are slated for the third major update to the game (not standard maintenance windows) which isn't for a while yet.

As for population being condensed and the worry of over-crowding, all the population data we've gathered so far shows that should be at least 1 campaign in both the EU and US that players can join without a queue.

Duration of Campaigns we're still discussing but rewards will be adjusted to be in relation to the duration of the campaign. We are aware of Celarus and what's going on in that Campaign.

Also note we are aware of the Forward Camp issues and Postern Doors and actively working on fixing those as well!

@zos_brianwheeler Waiting as long as you guys have to fix postern doors was a gigantic mistake. Well, one of them.

ZOS_BrianWheeler · June 2014

When patch 3 is introduced (which will most likely not be at a clean end of the 90 days simply due to scheduling) everyone is granted a free Home assignment.

justin.sniesakub17_ESO · June 2014

ZOS_BrianWheeler wrote: »

When patch 3 is introduced (which will most likely not be at a clean end of the 90 days simply due to scheduling) everyone is granted a free Home assignment.

So, just to clarify, this is another 5-6 weeks of 6-7 dead and unbalanced campaigns, with PvP being nothing but frustrating for that time frame. On top of that, those of us stuck on the most dead campaigns cannot even PvP to get the AP needed to transfer.

What's the reason for this?