"We will not be adding in the previously discussed PvP component of the Justice System."
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✭✭✭✭✭Yay!!!!!Enjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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✭✭✭✭✭No big surprise.
Would have been a nightmare to implement without it affecting people who didn't want to participate.30 -
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✭✭✭✭In other words, "We are not releasing the only interesting thing about the Justice System."Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭✭Would have been a nightmare to implement without it affecting people who didn't want to participate.
This. The whole PvP aspect sounded like a cool idea but there's no way it would work without causing headaches for everyone.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion11 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This is excellent news for one player in particular. Hey @Scyantific good news for you: you were right so you don't have to destroy your gold monster helm sets!
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✭✭✭✭✭No big surprise.
Would have been a nightmare to implement without it affecting people who didn't want to participate.
It totally wouldn't have been... Don't want to participate? Don't commit crimes!
I hope they work on making guards killable at least.
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It totally wouldn't have been... Don't want to participate? Don't commit crimes!
That would never be a viable solution, and you know it.7 -
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It totally wouldn't have been... Don't want to participate? Don't commit crimes!
Exactly, that was the whole concept. Basically an opt-in World PvP cops n' robbers. It would have been amazing.Daggerfall Covenant
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That would never be a viable solution, and you know it.
Yes it would have been. They could have added a toggle to "not steal items" like the toggle to not kill NPC. I have never EVER used this term before, but this decision was a move catering to the Care Bears.... and I would actually fit into that group.Sallington wrote: »
Exactly, that was the whole concept. Basically an opt-in World PvP cops n' robbers. It would have been amazing.
It really would have been. Players opting in and out. No one would be "unsafe" in PVE zones as long as they didn't KNOWINGLY opt into the justice system.
I dunno man... I think this news has greater implications than "no PVP in justice system". It means the justice system will remain unfinished. Whoever has hoped for a more complex gaming environment from ESO can just hang up their hopes now. ESO won't be getting deeper... ZOS is focused on DLC now and not game enhancements.
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✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »
Exactly, that was the whole concept. Basically an opt-in World PvP cops n' robbers. It would have been amazing.
So, what happens when one of the guild traders moves while I'm trying to shop and I accidentally steal a fish or something? Seems like a mis-click shouldn't result in automatic ZERG DEATH.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion11 -
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✭✭The one thing I was looking forward to after the disappointing so called pvp update Imperial City
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✭The way the justice system is designed, committing crimes is almost a necessity (and actually is a necessity to complete some quests). Presumably, the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood DLCs will involve committing a LOT of crimes.
Some people just really hate PvP. Those people shouldn't have to limit their gold-making options, avoid certain quests, and be locked out of entire DLCs because what should be a completed unrelated "justice system" got stupidly incorporated into PvP.
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So, what happens when one of the guild traders moves while I'm trying to shop and I accidentally steal a fish or something? Seems like a mis-click shouldn't result in automatic ZERG DEATH.
Don't steal toggle similar to don't kill toggle.
Easy solutions guys. Quit reinforcing their laziness so readily.Edited by Sallington on January 12, 2016 5:46PMDaggerfall Covenant
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✭✭Good. It would never have worked. Player guards would have just camped the entrances to Outlaw Refuges and turned it into a giant gank-fest on anyone trying to get inside to sell stolen goods.24 -
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It totally wouldn't have been... Don't want to participate? Don't commit crimes!
The other view is, I don't want to see PvP going on while I am questing in PvE areas. Speaking of Questing, you have to commit crimes to do some quests in the game. So, Don't commit crimes is not an answer.
No matter how much fun people think it would have been, it probably would not have been that much fun for half the people participating, and for most of the people who don't want to participate it would not have been fun at all.
However, the horse is buried now, no need to beat it anymore.
Edited by Nestor on January 12, 2016 5:50PMEnjoy the game, life is what you really want to be worried about.
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✭✭✭✭I said this somewhere else but...
@ZOS_BrianWheeler With the nixxing of the justice system part 2, the PvP community now has no clue what you are working on in 2016 if anything? Care to provide some enlightenment beyond fixing lag.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
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But I must ask: do you have a link?Edited by Zorrashi on January 12, 2016 5:51PM0 -
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So, what happens when one of the guild traders moves while I'm trying to shop and I accidentally steal a fish or something? Seems like a mis-click shouldn't result in automatic ZERG DEATH.
What if they added a "do not steal" toggle similar to the "do not kill" toggle @wayfarerx ?What ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
That's right... Horse.
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The other view is, I don't want to see PvP going on while I am questing in PvE areas. Speaking of Questing, you have to commit crimes to do some quests in the game. So, Don't commit crimes is not an answer.
No matter how much fun people think it would have been, it probably would not have been that much fun for half the people participating, and for most of the people who don't want to participate it would not have been fun at all.
However, the horse is buried now, no need to beat it anymore.
You have to commit crimes (that would gain you a bounty if seen by guards) to complete quests @Nestor ? Do you know which ones?
Edited by Gidorick on January 12, 2016 5:56PMWhat ESO really needs is an Auction Horse.
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Here's the link:Somehow I had a feeling this would be the case.
But I must ask: do you have a link?
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/01/12/eso--the-year-ahead
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It might be necessary to commit crimes, but it's not necessary to get caught, so if you don't want to fight other players, just make sure you only pick pocket with 100% success chance and make sure you one shot npc that you murder.The way the justice system is designed, committing crimes is almost a necessity (and actually is a necessity to complete some quests). Presumably, the Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood DLCs will involve committing a LOT of crimes.
Some people just really hate PvP. Those people shouldn't have to limit their gold-making options, avoid certain quests, and be locked out of entire DLCs because what should be a completed unrelated "justice system" got stupidly incorporated into PvP.
This was by far the smartest decision they could have made.
Currently it's no challenge at all to escape from the guard. No matter on which character I am, all can easiely escape, even when I accidently attack a guard in a town center.4 -
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✭✭✭@Zorrashi the new year ahead post.........
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/01/12/eso--the-year-ahead
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✭✭Glad to hear the PVP lag will continue to be contained to Cyrodiil and not inflicted on all the zones with all the refuge camping that was sure to occur if this was implemented.
Better not to implement it at all than to do it badly.Happy All the Holidays To You and Yours!
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✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »
Don't steal toggle similar to don't kill toggle.
Easy solutions guys. Quit reinforcing their laziness so readily.
What if they added a "do not steal" toggle similar to the "do not kill" toggle @wayfarerx ?
That was just one example. What about:- gathering provisioning mats or motifs
- leveling up legerdemain for the lock forcing passive
- enforcers camping the entrance to outlaws refuges
- outlaws camping the entrance to enforcer towers
- the current issues with accidentally healing criminals and becoming a criminal yourself
All this stuff would seriously affect new players coming into the game, and not in a good way. I just don't think there's a way to make this work without an entirely separate PvP server.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion13 -
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✭✭✭✭✭This helps explain the ZoS's decision to reverse their "no dueling" attitude.
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✭✭✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »
Don't steal toggle similar to don't kill toggle.
Easy solutions guys. Quit reinforcing their laziness so readily.
I don't think it's laziness so much as they looked at the required amount of resources to implement it, then look at the 2% of players who would actively participate vs. the 98% who want no part of it but would still like to steal things and simply said "not worth it".
Also, with an "opt-out" available option who would ever switch that on? Who would choose to steal things in PvE and want to be ganked for it if they can choose to not be ganked for it? Especially if they lose some of their loot?
edit: misread- "don't steal" option. But that can't work because then you are telling everyone who comes to ESO that if they want to experience the Justice System that they are opting in to be stealth ganked.Edited by danno8 on January 12, 2016 6:10PM5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭You have to commit crimes (that would gain you a bounty if seen by guards) to complete quests @Nestor ? Do you know which ones?
There is a quest in Rivenspire where you have to break into a beggars house to get information (part of the MQ for that zone), there is a quest in Marbruk where you have to break into houses and steak back or place items for the investigation, there are 2 or 3 other ones. Sure they could easily fix those quests and make the doors not locked on those houses (which they should have done anyway).
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✭✭✭✭Obviously people don't want any more gameplay depth, and would rather they spend resources on churning out half-baked DLC and cash store mounts.
I'm done.Daggerfall Covenant
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