PvP reduced to lethal arrow

Baphomet

I just want to applaud the brilliant mind (yes, it has actually been verified that there is only one person doing skill balance at ZOS) that decided to push through the changes to snipe.

- It takes less time to cast than its magical counterparts dark flare and crystal shards.
- It can deal way more damage than its aforementioned counterparts (thanks to the inflated weapon damage soft cap)
- It can be used at much greater distance than other ranged attacks.
- It can be animation cancelled and partly "block-casted"
- It can be used as a sneak attack.
- There are no innate resistances to its morph lethal arrow which deals poison damage.

Good work!

Columba

It can be easily blocked or dodged.

Maulkin

Oh stop it, stamina builds are finally competitive and you QQ, you'se a baddie, u need to l2p, hold block more etc. etc.

PS. You forgot the healing debuff. You're 50% heal-cut for 10"

Baphomet

I'm using it myself at times, too - don't forget.

And it's still the cheesiest cheese cutter I've seen since silver bolt's 100% proc chance ;-)

EsORising

So archers can finally compete and someone that was used to killing them like nothing before is mad because he has to dodge now. Maybe you might have to block or dodge now? Maybe you will have to use something quick to stun them for a sec before using crystal shard? Magicka builds are still better and archers had a it bad. I started out as an archer and dropped it for my daggers because i couldn't compete. Now archers get something good and people are crying Nerf? Wow....

Satiar

There's ups and downs to this.

The downside to this is that archers in groups can be realllllllly annoying. We're all used to a bit more close combat, fighting in waves with people right on top of us with impulse or whatevs. Having a huge number of people just standing at max range piling on the damage is.... frustrating at times.

HOWEVER. There are some upsides. Personally, I feel people with bows are easier take-downs 1v1. I never die to a bow user if I get on top of them, and gap closers are abundant in this game. So to me, they're reduced to long-range burst specs, but without the mobility and survivability of Sorcs.

Bow isn't a bad build, but it has serious limitations. Just try doing your thing with some SnB in your face, crippling you and gap closing whenever you move. You'll see the weaknesses right fast.

Columba

There should be a minimum range to this, and the cast time being 2 seconds to 2.5 seconds is reasonable. However, it IS easy to negate.

Tintinabula

archers can" fiiinally" compete!!! LULS at the use of the word "fiiinally" as if archers killed nothing before this patch. I used a bow and actually leveled it up two weeks before patch and it was deadly....after patch its forehead meet keyboard roll stupid damage at an even dumber/more thoughtless rate of fire.

Gooey

How to use a bow in ESO:

1. Apply face to keyboard.
2. Repeat step 1.

Agrippa_Invisus

Gooey wrote: »

How to use a bow in ESO:

1. Apply face to keyboard.
2. Repeat step 1.

Dang. Those are my old 'How to Play DK' instructions.

Tavore1138

Whoever did this should be quickly redirected to work on my DW skills before 1.6!

I want flying blade to do 5k damage from stealth with unbreakable snare and stun... make it so dev guy!

P.S. 50m range too please.

P.P.S. 10 stam cost.

martinhpb16_ESO

Baphomet wrote: »

I just want to applaud the brilliant mind (yes, it has actually been verified that there is only one person doing skill balance at ZOS) that decided to push through the changes to snipe.

- It takes less time to cast than its magical counterparts dark flare and crystal shards.
- It can deal way more damage than its aforementioned counterparts (thanks to the inflated weapon damage soft cap)
- It can be used at much greater distance than other ranged attacks.
- It can be animation cancelled and partly "block-casted"
- It can be used as a sneak attack.
- There are no innate resistances to its morph lethal arrow which deals poison damage.

Good work!

There are ways around it and you can pretty much decimate the bow user, so it isnt as OP as you suggest.

Getting a taste of your own medicine now spellcasters?

Hypertionb14_ESO

stop standing close enough to keeps to get sniped... should be pvp 101 no-brainer...

Maulkin

Columba wrote: »

There should be a minimum range to this, and the cast time being 2 seconds to 2.5 seconds is reasonable. However, it IS easy to negate.

What kind of sorcery is this? You want Snipe nerfed and I actually think you're being too harsh? What in the world....

2.5 secs is definitely too high I think. 2" is the absolute highest I would go. Probably slightly less than that, like 1.8" or sth.

The minimum range if brought back should be nothing beyond melee range. 6-8 meters max.

Here's the thing, actually I think there is a far more complex issue here. At the moment you can achieve a huge amount of wpn damage overcharging. That actually works alright for the melee wapons like 2h, s&b and dw from a damage output perspective. There's nothing overpowered about them.

However on high-burst abilities like Snipe, especially when you add sets that increase the bow dmg output directly, the damage goes very high.

Tbh, it might be just me on this, but I always saw the bow as a high burst but low sustained DPS weapon. Maybe I'm biased because of this. ZOS however wanted to make the bow a weapon for dungeon sustained DPS, while maintaining it's properties of stealth damage and huge range. Whether that is right or wrong, is an issue I don't really want to enter.

So at the moment the Bow does almost everything. It does stealth, it does insane DoTs that work like executes, it does high burst, it does crazy range, it does sustained DPS, it does AoE CC, it does 50% health debuff, it does the lot. The only thing it doesn't do is AoE dps as well as the destro staff. That's about it.

Yesterday, one of the Baby Faced Bananas (Hard-core, EU ,PVE raiding guild) whispered me that they completed Sanctum Ophidia trial and the highest DPS on the Serpent boss was an archer doing 1.3k sustained DPS by just doing light attack+lethal arrow. The weapon went from being below par admittedly, to being the best single target DPS and burst in the game, in the space of the last 2 months.

Samadhi

Baphomet wrote: »

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- There are no innate resistances to its morph lethal arrow which deals poison damage.
...

Love that my Bosmer has Racial resistance to Poison, but never was able to figure out how much it mitigates bow's damage by.

Columba

There are poison resistance glyphs. Use them. Purge works too. Use it.

Roselle

This is me:
I'm gonna heal you guys like a boss



But wild lethal arrows appear!

Then this is me:
/purgeblazingshieldpurgeCAN I HEAL A DECENT AMOUNT YET?/purge

Then I die.

The end.


Edit: [snip] yeah rage face shouldn't actually have a link that says that!


[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Manoekin

Can't gank me I'm the gingerbread templar.

Subtomik

Roselle wrote: »

Then this is me:
/purgeblazingshieldpurgeCAN I HEAL A DECENT AMOUNT YET?/purge

You started using purge?

Roselle

Subtomik wrote: »

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Roselle wrote: »

Then this is me:
/purgeblazingshieldpurgeCAN I HEAL A DECENT AMOUNT YET?/purge

You started using purge?

We got a comedian over here!

Ifthir_ESO

Manoekin wrote: »

Can't gank me I'm the gingerbread templar.

No you are just a damned good defender with a gang of tough group members.

Trying to take you down during that Azuras trolling while you had the scroll was like punching a brick wall.

olsborg

I dont mind archers being buffed, I can still survive them one on one, but it becomes more of a problem when they are pleural. Snipe is faster to cast then say crystal shard, does more dmg and cost about the same resourcewise.

Reduce the cast time of crystal shard and dark flare to 1.1, increase spelldmg cap slightly. Maybe make some staff passives to increase spelldmg somewhat. Dunno, but atm there is ridiculously amounts of people spamming snipe/focused aim.

(but still the most op skill in the game is dk's reflect)

Ah felt good to vent a little:)

Warraxx

I'm a DK Stamina 2H/SnB build (crazy, i know)... i find bolt escape spammers a much bigger issue than bow users. imho

kijima

As a bow user I'm happy for it to go back to what it was before, it'll stop the snipe spam, and it'll let me use my massive opener again so all three shots hit at once.

AbraXuSeXile

Keep up the threads like this, They'll remove archers instead of applying a decent fix.

Pixysticks

Baphomet wrote: »

- There are no innate resistances to its morph lethal arrow which deals poison damage.
Good work!

Poison damage is mitigated by armor.

Cody

so I cant have a way to kill players that do nothing but hold up block, charge me, and block and spam flame whip? I sure as heck cant just take them head on.... iv been down that road.

yet its perfectly fine for crystal frags, which can almost be cast just as fast, and cost about the same amount of resources, to do stuff like this? and, again, its NOT alright for snipe to do it?

I don't know what to call that kind of thinking... I want to say hypocrisy..... but I don't think it is actually hypocrisy....

hmm.... what is the word I am looking for...

Akula

I'm getting killed by WW now all the time in pvp. Just because you never had to worry about it before, and they just became viable, doesn't mean their op. What it means is that you have yet to adjust to this new threat. I don't blame WW for suddenly becoming viable I blame myself for not learning how to beat them.

Baphomet

What really breaks this ability now balance-wise is the low casting time and its point blank range. As mentioned, with a little finesse, you can basicly insta-cast the ability now + you can do it from where no one else can counter you, unless they use snipe as well.

In all objectivity, it's a little over the edge right now.

Buuut, more powah to the DK's reflective scales - wanna bet they end up nerfing that instead of the real culprit, ha ha.

Xsorus

What's funny is reflective scale will cause dks to get *** by archer dks in a most brutal fashion

Jitterbug

Satiar wrote: »

people right on top of us with impulse

Sounds like fun