Official Stream Team Member Exploiting and Being Offensive Toward Viewers

Dragonnord · February 16

Go to his channel now, he's online, and see how he is mocking people all the time.

DISGUSTING PERSON!

I can't believe ZOS has this... as a Stream Member.

VoxAdActa · February 16

So if the game's code allows it, it's totally cool and fine? Anything at all? So if someone finds a gold dupe that works without add-ons or external software, yay, free gold for everyone?

Or are you saying it's not a bug, and the devs intentionally designed the set to pull people through doors and get them stuck inside pillars?

This is what I mean when I say the PvP crowd is dead set on making new PvPers as miserable as possible. And they wonder why PvP is dying and why it's such a low priority on the devs' fixit list. Who *wouldn't* want to be pulled through a door, stomped to death, teabagged, pushuped, and then hear all about the sexual acts they should perform on the victor while being called multiple slurs?

Decimus · February 16

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

Nomadic_Atmoran wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

TheAwesomeChimpanzee wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

IIILaaLaaIII wrote: »

As you can all now see it was clearly intentional use of the exploit.
I raised it as he was streaming to a decent number of the players of the game, essentially teaching them how to do it. I was trying to limit the use and demonstration of it.

Having watched the video... this is not an exploit, it's literally how the set works - your problem is with the way the set's functionality as it pulls opponents to the player after the delay, regardless of where the player is. You do not even need this specific NB ability to have this to happen, you can just play a speed capped character or utilize something like Ball of Lightning, arcanist portal, mist form, Bursting Wines on warden etc.

Is this a fun experience? No, it isn't - not anymore so than being run over by a ball group.

I'd say both need to be resolved, fortunately this one is quite simple: set just needs to pull to a static location instead of the player.

Exactly as I said earlier, a lot of these "exploiter" accusations stem either from PvP tilt or from misunderstanding of game mechanics.

Ah yes, because pulling people through walls and into structures, potentially crashing them, or pulling them out of keeps where they should be safe is just how the set works and totally intended. Brilliant analysis.

This is obviously an exploit—the fact that it can be repeatedly abused to ignore game mechanics and force unnatural interactions proves that. Sets are designed to function within the intended constraints of the game world, not to bypass physical barriers and allow players to be forcibly moved into areas they should never reach.

Sure, the set might need a fix, but actively abusing its broken functionality instead of reporting it is what makes it an exploit. The idea that this is just a misunderstanding of mechanics is laughable—it’s a blatant abuse of unintended interactions.

The set pulls everyone who was within 12m to you after a delay, what is not working as intended? I'd recommend not stacking that close to the ball group running around or block tapping after you see the gap close - I very rarely get pulled by this set when I PvP.

Also there is nothing unnatural about pulling people out of keeps... this can be done manually with in game abilities as well like I mentioned earlier - there's even an AoE one I forgot (pull DW scribe) which has a travel time you can utilize to make it pull even further with abovementioned tricks, but if you just want to pull one person outside the keep the DK chain is undodgeable - pretty sure I've done that myself in the past in Cyrodiil to troll people.

If you genuinely believe that pulling someone through a wall and out of a keep is just normal gameplay, then there’s really not much else to say. Some arguments just speak for themselves. Not worth continuing this discussion.

It is, because the game literally has no alternatives - you cannot implement a collision check based on player position when there's a second or two of positional desync in the game anyway - this is also the cause behind "target out of range" when you're right next to someone & arcanist beams and other cone AoEs requiring you to lead the target to have any hope of landing them, why dawnbreakers miss point blank range etc.

The set is working exactly as intended, based on the limitations set on it by the game. Is it good design or not is a different question.

This issue would be significantly alleviated by ball groups not causing the lag and large part of the positional desyncing, which could allow a thing such as collision check to be a feasible solution. In absence of that however, the set should pull people to a static location as a good workaround to avoid these types of incidents caused by the set working exactly as intended at the moment.

The video is pretty clear. The streamer knows where the pillar is and intentionally steps behind it to pull. This isn't a case of accidently doing something due to desync. You're either looking for someone to get upset enough with you to cross a line here on the forums and get themselves tapped by the moderators or you're defending something that you're guilty of doing in game.

Cool theory, but no.

Streamer is doing that because he can do it, because it's how the set works - is there something in game saying it shouldn't pull targets that were within 12m at the moment of the gap closer landing to where he is after the delay?

I explained quite clearly how the set works in my post and why there cannot be a collision check due to technical reasons.

I think the reason people are upset is because he is disrupting a ball groups gameplay, "ruining their gameplay" by playing in a clever way to try and fight back against what seems like... 10 people in what I can only expect is fully coordinated buff sets running after outnumbered players of his faction. Surely these ball group players are not... "ruining the gameplay" of anyone else doing this?

The difference is that people don't advocate for de-platforming (if any happen to be streaming), canceling and banning ball group players... people ask for fixes because they're playing the game exactly as it can be played.

Give me a break. People are advocating for deplatforming because the Streamer was verbally abusive to someone they disagreed with and that Streamer, whether they are paid or not, are a representative of ZOS. Maybe if that Streamer wants to lead a life as a public figure where they are making money off of others engagement. They should maybe not cheat or be abusive to the playerbase/viewers.

I'm convinced now that you and the Streamer, if they arent actually you, should probably be looked a little more closely at by ZOS. Seems your business policies and attitudes towards TOS do not align.

Damn you got me... it was me all along!

On a serious note though, wanting to deplatform people because they use swear words in a PvP game rated 18+ is probably even more alarming - maybe you could go tell Tyler1 to yell less or you're telling all his sponsors.

My ears would thank you, but my entertainment would be diminished.

Northwold · February 16

Decimus wrote: »

Not the person in question since I'm not on the Stream Team but oh boy... who are we cancelling today?

I'd like to provide some streamer insight on why someone might act that way:
People aren't robots, streamers have emotions as well - especially ones who play competitively. Where others might be able to punch the wall or the monitor, yell out all kinds of slurs in their solitude and no one would know, all emotions are broadcast Live when you are streaming. There are Twitch Terms of Service that all streamers have to abide by, so if someone says something way out of line I'd recommend contacting Twitch about it. That said, I think opening any competitive player's stream on a more popular category like League of Legends or Counter-Strike could provide some much needed perspective. Expecting streamers to not have emotions is not realistic, doesn't lead to better streams (especially when it comes to competitive activities) and ultimately hurts ESO on the Twitch directory.

When it comes to the specific incident mentioned by the original poster, I can only speculate... but I will say this: besides getting streamsniped and harassed a lot, streamers in ESO also get accused of cheating, exploiting, macros etc on a daily basis - this is a common coping mechanism for people who die in PvP. Personally if I have someone come to my chat with these accusations I usually just laugh it off as "another one" and try to explain them how the game works if they decide to stick around... but again, going back to point number one: you can't tell what the emotional state of someone else is, might be just having a terrible day.

Lastly... if someone does something you believe to be against the Terms of Service in game you can report them. I know of many streamers who have been banned for exploiting in the past, and also streamers who have been banned for in game whispers, tbagging, emoting, character names, guild names etc. You'll just want to be sure something actually against the Terms of Service took place here.

Just my two cents, not a big fan of the whole cancel culture thing.

Sorry, but if you're in a quasi-professional position, you behave professionally. If you can't do that, if you're incapable of controlling your emotions in public, don't do that job. This isn't kindergarten and behaving like a grown up really isn't challenging. You, from what you say, seem to have mastered it. The person the OP is describing seems not to.

Decimus · February 16

Northwold wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

Not the person in question since I'm not on the Stream Team but oh boy... who are we cancelling today?

I'd like to provide some streamer insight on why someone might act that way:
People aren't robots, streamers have emotions as well - especially ones who play competitively. Where others might be able to punch the wall or the monitor, yell out all kinds of slurs in their solitude and no one would know, all emotions are broadcast Live when you are streaming. There are Twitch Terms of Service that all streamers have to abide by, so if someone says something way out of line I'd recommend contacting Twitch about it. That said, I think opening any competitive player's stream on a more popular category like League of Legends or Counter-Strike could provide some much needed perspective. Expecting streamers to not have emotions is not realistic, doesn't lead to better streams (especially when it comes to competitive activities) and ultimately hurts ESO on the Twitch directory.

When it comes to the specific incident mentioned by the original poster, I can only speculate... but I will say this: besides getting streamsniped and harassed a lot, streamers in ESO also get accused of cheating, exploiting, macros etc on a daily basis - this is a common coping mechanism for people who die in PvP. Personally if I have someone come to my chat with these accusations I usually just laugh it off as "another one" and try to explain them how the game works if they decide to stick around... but again, going back to point number one: you can't tell what the emotional state of someone else is, might be just having a terrible day.

Lastly... if someone does something you believe to be against the Terms of Service in game you can report them. I know of many streamers who have been banned for exploiting in the past, and also streamers who have been banned for in game whispers, tbagging, emoting, character names, guild names etc. You'll just want to be sure something actually against the Terms of Service took place here.

Just my two cents, not a big fan of the whole cancel culture thing.

Sorry, but if you're in a quasi-professional position, you behave professionally. If you can't do that, don't do that job. This isn't kindergarten and behaving like a grown up really isn't challenging.

You're talking about that as if it's some kind of a norm in the streaming world - there's plenty of streamers who use much worse language and are still part of creator programs and have sponsors backing them.

We're not talking about people on customer service jobs, we're talking about streamers - entertainers. Just like elsewhere in the entertainment world, you'll find entertainers who use swear words every now and then... that's life.

If you don't like a streamer, I suggest taking personal action in not supporting them and leaving it there.

Northwold · February 16

Decimus wrote: »

Northwold wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

Not the person in question since I'm not on the Stream Team but oh boy... who are we cancelling today?

I'd like to provide some streamer insight on why someone might act that way:
People aren't robots, streamers have emotions as well - especially ones who play competitively. Where others might be able to punch the wall or the monitor, yell out all kinds of slurs in their solitude and no one would know, all emotions are broadcast Live when you are streaming. There are Twitch Terms of Service that all streamers have to abide by, so if someone says something way out of line I'd recommend contacting Twitch about it. That said, I think opening any competitive player's stream on a more popular category like League of Legends or Counter-Strike could provide some much needed perspective. Expecting streamers to not have emotions is not realistic, doesn't lead to better streams (especially when it comes to competitive activities) and ultimately hurts ESO on the Twitch directory.

When it comes to the specific incident mentioned by the original poster, I can only speculate... but I will say this: besides getting streamsniped and harassed a lot, streamers in ESO also get accused of cheating, exploiting, macros etc on a daily basis - this is a common coping mechanism for people who die in PvP. Personally if I have someone come to my chat with these accusations I usually just laugh it off as "another one" and try to explain them how the game works if they decide to stick around... but again, going back to point number one: you can't tell what the emotional state of someone else is, might be just having a terrible day.

Lastly... if someone does something you believe to be against the Terms of Service in game you can report them. I know of many streamers who have been banned for exploiting in the past, and also streamers who have been banned for in game whispers, tbagging, emoting, character names, guild names etc. You'll just want to be sure something actually against the Terms of Service took place here.

Just my two cents, not a big fan of the whole cancel culture thing.

Sorry, but if you're in a quasi-professional position, you behave professionally. If you can't do that, don't do that job. This isn't kindergarten and behaving like a grown up really isn't challenging.

You're talking about that as if it's some kind of a norm in the streaming world - there's plenty of streamers who use much worse language and are still part of creator programs and have sponsors backing them.

We're not talking about people on customer service jobs, we're talking about streamers - entertainers. Just like elsewhere in the entertainment world, you'll find entertainers who use swear words every now and then... that's life.

If you don't like a streamer, I suggest taking personal action in not supporting them and leaving it there.

I don't think there's a norm in the steaming world. I *do* think there is a minimum standard of behaviour that ZOS should be looking for in its *official team* of affiliated streamers, not least because ZOS have gone out of their way to make sure a toxic frat bro culture doesn't run rampant through ESO the way it has in other MMOs. It reflects on them.

Decimus · February 16

Northwold wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

Northwold wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

Not the person in question since I'm not on the Stream Team but oh boy... who are we cancelling today?

I'd like to provide some streamer insight on why someone might act that way:
People aren't robots, streamers have emotions as well - especially ones who play competitively. Where others might be able to punch the wall or the monitor, yell out all kinds of slurs in their solitude and no one would know, all emotions are broadcast Live when you are streaming. There are Twitch Terms of Service that all streamers have to abide by, so if someone says something way out of line I'd recommend contacting Twitch about it. That said, I think opening any competitive player's stream on a more popular category like League of Legends or Counter-Strike could provide some much needed perspective. Expecting streamers to not have emotions is not realistic, doesn't lead to better streams (especially when it comes to competitive activities) and ultimately hurts ESO on the Twitch directory.

When it comes to the specific incident mentioned by the original poster, I can only speculate... but I will say this: besides getting streamsniped and harassed a lot, streamers in ESO also get accused of cheating, exploiting, macros etc on a daily basis - this is a common coping mechanism for people who die in PvP. Personally if I have someone come to my chat with these accusations I usually just laugh it off as "another one" and try to explain them how the game works if they decide to stick around... but again, going back to point number one: you can't tell what the emotional state of someone else is, might be just having a terrible day.

Lastly... if someone does something you believe to be against the Terms of Service in game you can report them. I know of many streamers who have been banned for exploiting in the past, and also streamers who have been banned for in game whispers, tbagging, emoting, character names, guild names etc. You'll just want to be sure something actually against the Terms of Service took place here.

Just my two cents, not a big fan of the whole cancel culture thing.

Sorry, but if you're in a quasi-professional position, you behave professionally. If you can't do that, don't do that job. This isn't kindergarten and behaving like a grown up really isn't challenging.

You're talking about that as if it's some kind of a norm in the streaming world - there's plenty of streamers who use much worse language and are still part of creator programs and have sponsors backing them.

We're not talking about people on customer service jobs, we're talking about streamers - entertainers. Just like elsewhere in the entertainment world, you'll find entertainers who use swear words every now and then... that's life.

If you don't like a streamer, I suggest taking personal action in not supporting them and leaving it there.

I don't think there's a norm in the steaming world. I *do* think there is a minimum standard of behaviour that ZOS should be looking for in its *official team* of affiliated streamers, not least because ZOS have gone out of their way to make sure a toxic frat bro culture doesn't run rampant through ESO the way it has in other MMOs. It reflects on them.

Well, that's the thing... it's up to ZOS to decide how much they want to restrict their affiliated streamers, their content and their personalities... not a few outraged individuals.

Also you have a much rosier view on this game's PvP community than I do. The amount of hate whispers, streamsnipers, people tbagging I've seen over the years... not sure if I agree with that view.

IncultaWolf · February 16

TheLoreMaster420 wrote: »

This is the video of the streamer NOT being stream sniped, attempting to pull a group through solid objects which crashes people from the game and is a known exploit, and then harassing viewers afterward, telling them to "suck my d***" for kindly pointing out that he should avoid doing that as it is an exploit. This would result in an immediate forum ban, but is instead publicized as a stream team member.

https://youtu.be/Li73-at126Q

I love seeing ball groups suffer

They might as well be "exploiting" too because they all use rush of agony also

allochthons · February 16

I went and watched him for awhile. He and the chat (at least one of whom has posted in this thread) were actively mocking this thread, and calling other players p*ssies.

All I can say is, if I were ZoS, I would not want him representing me.

Off to do things that don't make me ill.

Lags · February 16

IIILaaLaaIII wrote: »

I wanted to bring attention to something that happened recently involving an official ESO Stream Team member. During their live stream on Twitch, they were using an exploit. I pointed it out in chat, letting them know that what they were doing was considered exploiting.

Instead of addressing the issue professionally, they became extremely offensive towards me. As a young woman, I was shocked when they told me to “suck my d***” and called me “ret*rded.” This kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable, especially from someone representing the game and the community.

This isn't the first time I have seen him say things like this, but this can't be something that members of ZOS's public stream team allows right?

this is a massive over reaction. You cant silence everyone, everywhere. You have the forums where people can barely even criticize others without being actioned. You have the game itself, where AI will auto ban you for swearing, even in whispers. You cant have it all. You cant silence everyone.

If you dont like how someone talks then dont go on their stream. If this isnt the first time you've heard this from them, and you find it so terrible, why were you back on his stream? You can block people in game, you can avoid almost any confrontation on the forums, and you can avoid watching someone on twitch. Im not sure what the issue is here.

Also im not sure what you being a "young woman" has to do with it. Its not like he would know that. And does that mean its cool for him to say the same thing to a young man? Idk, pointing that out just makes me question this a bit.

IIILaaLaaIII · February 16

Lags, you have missed the point completely. Read the initial post again a few times, let it sink in

Arcanasx · February 16

Seems like this could be a good opportunity for making rushing agony a PvE only set. After all, there have been other sets that weren't nearly as impactful, busted, or widespread as rush of agony, yet they still got the "monsters only" treatment.

It would only make sense for the same to be done with this disgustingly broken and highly unpopular set that also breaks the game in unintended ways. And I say this as someone who also used this set a lot back then when I was more active.

Dragonnord · February 16

allochthons wrote: »

I went and watched him for awhile. He and the chat (at least one of whom has posted in this thread) were actively mocking this thread, and calling other players p*ssies.

All I can say is, if I were ZoS, I would not want him representing me.

Exactly what I said above. He does that, and a lot worse, every single day.

I'm disappointed he represents ZOS image through the Stream Team program.

ZOS should reconsider, as he was one of the latest members additions to the program.

IncultaWolf · February 16

Arcanasx wrote: »

Seems like this could be a good opportunity for making rushing agony a PvE only set. After all, there have been other sets that weren't nearly as impactful, busted, or widespread as rush of agony, yet they still got the "monsters only" treatment.

It would only make sense for the same to be done with this disgustingly broken and highly unpopular set that also breaks the game in unintended ways. And I say this as someone who also used this set a lot back then when I was more active.

Same, I used rush of agony a TON when it first came out, and I'd be fine if they made it pve only at this point.

TheAwesomeChimpanzee · February 16

allochthons wrote: »

I went and watched him for awhile. He and the chat (at least one of whom has posted in this thread) were actively mocking this thread, and calling other players p*ssies.

All I can say is, if I were ZoS, I would not want him representing me.

Off to do things that don't make me ill.

Completely agree. Instead of addressing the concerns, they chose to mock the discussion and insult other players—which only reinforces why this entire situation is a problem. If this is how they behave while representing ESO, then it’s hard to see why ZOS would want them associated with the game.

Professionalism matters, and the fact that both the streamer and their chat resorted to name-calling instead of engaging in a constructive conversation speaks volumes. This isn’t just about one mistake; it’s about a pattern of behavior that keeps proving why they shouldn’t be in an official position.

MeridiaFavorsMe · February 16

Decimus wrote: »

Northwold wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

Northwold wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

Not the person in question since I'm not on the Stream Team but oh boy... who are we cancelling today?

I'd like to provide some streamer insight on why someone might act that way:
People aren't robots, streamers have emotions as well - especially ones who play competitively. Where others might be able to punch the wall or the monitor, yell out all kinds of slurs in their solitude and no one would know, all emotions are broadcast Live when you are streaming. There are Twitch Terms of Service that all streamers have to abide by, so if someone says something way out of line I'd recommend contacting Twitch about it. That said, I think opening any competitive player's stream on a more popular category like League of Legends or Counter-Strike could provide some much needed perspective. Expecting streamers to not have emotions is not realistic, doesn't lead to better streams (especially when it comes to competitive activities) and ultimately hurts ESO on the Twitch directory.

When it comes to the specific incident mentioned by the original poster, I can only speculate... but I will say this: besides getting streamsniped and harassed a lot, streamers in ESO also get accused of cheating, exploiting, macros etc on a daily basis - this is a common coping mechanism for people who die in PvP. Personally if I have someone come to my chat with these accusations I usually just laugh it off as "another one" and try to explain them how the game works if they decide to stick around... but again, going back to point number one: you can't tell what the emotional state of someone else is, might be just having a terrible day.

Lastly... if someone does something you believe to be against the Terms of Service in game you can report them. I know of many streamers who have been banned for exploiting in the past, and also streamers who have been banned for in game whispers, tbagging, emoting, character names, guild names etc. You'll just want to be sure something actually against the Terms of Service took place here.

Just my two cents, not a big fan of the whole cancel culture thing.

Sorry, but if you're in a quasi-professional position, you behave professionally. If you can't do that, don't do that job. This isn't kindergarten and behaving like a grown up really isn't challenging.

You're talking about that as if it's some kind of a norm in the streaming world - there's plenty of streamers who use much worse language and are still part of creator programs and have sponsors backing them.

We're not talking about people on customer service jobs, we're talking about streamers - entertainers. Just like elsewhere in the entertainment world, you'll find entertainers who use swear words every now and then... that's life.

If you don't like a streamer, I suggest taking personal action in not supporting them and leaving it there.

I don't think there's a norm in the steaming world. I *do* think there is a minimum standard of behaviour that ZOS should be looking for in its *official team* of affiliated streamers, not least because ZOS have gone out of their way to make sure a toxic frat bro culture doesn't run rampant through ESO the way it has in other MMOs. It reflects on them.

Well, that's the thing... it's up to ZOS to decide how much they want to restrict their affiliated streamers, their content and their personalities... not a few outraged individuals.

Also you have a much rosier view on this game's PvP community than I do. The amount of hate whispers, streamsnipers, people tbagging I've seen over the years... not sure if I agree with that view.

I completely disagree. While ZOS ultimately makes the decisions about streamers, it's not just up to them to ignore community concerns. The behavior of streamers, especially those representing ESO, directly impacts how the game is perceived, and the community's voice should absolutely have weight in these matters. It’s not about a few outraged individuals; it's about creating an environment where respect and professionalism are prioritized.

As for the PvP community, just because toxic behavior is common doesn’t mean it should be dismissed. That sort of behavior shouldn’t be normalized, and it’s important to address when it comes from streamers or others who have influence. If we continue to tolerate disrespectful actions, we only perpetuate the problem.

Pepegrillos · February 16

The whole stream team programme should be scrapped. It's an indecent system through which ZOS attempts to bias the flow of viewership (by arranging spotlights, promotions, and facilitating neverending giveaways of otherwise unobtainable goods) to the content creators they prefer on completely opaque grounds. It's a system of favorites and blacklists that has tainted ESO's content creator space for years. (Just as an example, giving selective drops to stream team members on Twitch early on was what prompted people left out of the programme to start embedding their streams.)

If at least it had been successful at cultivating a lively environment of content creators, but not even. All we have left is a stagnant pond that seems to be about to dry out.

Soraka · February 16

"If you don't like it don't watch" is generally correct.

However, the issue I see is with the stream team status. ZOS actively directs players to stream team members' streams and also gives players incentives to watch stream team streams with the extra giveaway items and drops. Going back to the image ZOS potentially wants to cultivate, if players go to someone's stream as sponsored by ZOS and encounters this, it poses a little more of an issue than just people randomly going to streams and picking whatever they like.

Basically, ZOS gives the impression of vetting and endorsing specific streamers, which would lead someone to assume it will not be a hostile environment and possibly poor representation of sportsmanship/fair play (if exploiting) for them to watch and engage with. This doesn't exactly make ESO PVP or PVPERS look appealing.

I really don't care much about streamers or watching them unless it's for drops, so I don't know who this is. I still don't really care either. I certainly wouldn't want to watch someone abuse a crap set, but to each their own. ZOS should probably clarify expectations or code of conduct as this seems to be a point of contention and disagreement. And it certainly shows if nothing else how toxic things are getting by refusing to address the set itself.

Side notes: if you made a report it may help to put the ticket number in your post. Also, this is probably a great clip to also put in the RoA thread that's been going. I'm also not sure if the barely censored language in this thread is censored enough to not get snipped/warned for profanity bypass.

Lags · February 16

FionaFlute wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

Northwold wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

Northwold wrote: »

Decimus wrote: »

Not the person in question since I'm not on the Stream Team but oh boy... who are we cancelling today?

I'd like to provide some streamer insight on why someone might act that way:
People aren't robots, streamers have emotions as well - especially ones who play competitively. Where others might be able to punch the wall or the monitor, yell out all kinds of slurs in their solitude and no one would know, all emotions are broadcast Live when you are streaming. There are Twitch Terms of Service that all streamers have to abide by, so if someone says something way out of line I'd recommend contacting Twitch about it. That said, I think opening any competitive player's stream on a more popular category like League of Legends or Counter-Strike could provide some much needed perspective. Expecting streamers to not have emotions is not realistic, doesn't lead to better streams (especially when it comes to competitive activities) and ultimately hurts ESO on the Twitch directory.

When it comes to the specific incident mentioned by the original poster, I can only speculate... but I will say this: besides getting streamsniped and harassed a lot, streamers in ESO also get accused of cheating, exploiting, macros etc on a daily basis - this is a common coping mechanism for people who die in PvP. Personally if I have someone come to my chat with these accusations I usually just laugh it off as "another one" and try to explain them how the game works if they decide to stick around... but again, going back to point number one: you can't tell what the emotional state of someone else is, might be just having a terrible day.

Lastly... if someone does something you believe to be against the Terms of Service in game you can report them. I know of many streamers who have been banned for exploiting in the past, and also streamers who have been banned for in game whispers, tbagging, emoting, character names, guild names etc. You'll just want to be sure something actually against the Terms of Service took place here.

Just my two cents, not a big fan of the whole cancel culture thing.

Sorry, but if you're in a quasi-professional position, you behave professionally. If you can't do that, don't do that job. This isn't kindergarten and behaving like a grown up really isn't challenging.

You're talking about that as if it's some kind of a norm in the streaming world - there's plenty of streamers who use much worse language and are still part of creator programs and have sponsors backing them.

We're not talking about people on customer service jobs, we're talking about streamers - entertainers. Just like elsewhere in the entertainment world, you'll find entertainers who use swear words every now and then... that's life.

If you don't like a streamer, I suggest taking personal action in not supporting them and leaving it there.

I don't think there's a norm in the steaming world. I *do* think there is a minimum standard of behaviour that ZOS should be looking for in its *official team* of affiliated streamers, not least because ZOS have gone out of their way to make sure a toxic frat bro culture doesn't run rampant through ESO the way it has in other MMOs. It reflects on them.

Well, that's the thing... it's up to ZOS to decide how much they want to restrict their affiliated streamers, their content and their personalities... not a few outraged individuals.

Also you have a much rosier view on this game's PvP community than I do. The amount of hate whispers, streamsnipers, people tbagging I've seen over the years... not sure if I agree with that view.

I completely disagree. While ZOS ultimately makes the decisions about streamers, it's not just up to them to ignore community concerns. The behavior of streamers, especially those representing ESO, directly impacts how the game is perceived, and the community's voice should absolutely have weight in these matters. It’s not about a few outraged individuals; it's about creating an environment where respect and professionalism are prioritized.

As for the PvP community, just because toxic behavior is common doesn’t mean it should be dismissed. That sort of behavior shouldn’t be normalized, and it’s important to address when it comes from streamers or others who have influence. If we continue to tolerate disrespectful actions, we only perpetuate the problem.

what community? I think a few outraged people is a pretty good description of the situation. Most people dont care about this kind of thing. Most people wouldnt come to the forums to complain about something said in a twitch stream. Im sorry but i just dont think name calling is a big deal. Twitch doesnt think its a big deal, and i would imagine most people dont either. If you dont like someone dont go in their stream. Not everything is for everyone. Like i said before, you can barely even criticize people on the forums without getting actioned. You cant swear in game without getting AI auto moderated. Everything is so over moderated, even twitch is pretty heavily moderated, if you dont like a word on twitch just stay out of the persons stream. Problem solved.

darvaria · February 16

After seeing this, I will be sure to NEVER go to any stream. I am most disturbed that an emissary of ZOS would tell viewers to "Suck my ***" in a public domain that is endorsed by ZOS and this not been seen as sexual harassment. I see NO room for not only acceptance much less endorsement of such. I'm beginning to think the PVP community in this game is too toxic for many players now. And no one sees this as sexual harassment, I am shocked that people are so unaware about this being the situation. Better have someone that actually knows that "commanding someone to perform a sexual act" IS sexual harassment.

Stay off of discords unless you have a fake name and are on a vpn, play offline, never go to streams or you tube (or watch offline NEVER subscribe or log in and make comments and don't have Skype on your computer. This is my take on the PVP community now.

There should be no doubt that the fate of this streamer/player.

Lags · February 16

Soraka wrote: »

"If you don't like it don't watch" is generally correct.

However, the issue I see is with the stream team status. ZOS actively directs players to stream team members' streams and also gives players incentives to watch stream team streams with the extra giveaway items and drops. Going back to the image ZOS potentially wants to cultivate, if players go to someone's stream as sponsored by ZOS and encounters this, it poses a little more of an issue than just people randomly going to streams and picking whatever they like.

Basically, ZOS gives the impression of vetting and endorsing specific streamers, which would lead someone to assume it will not be a hostile environment and possibly poor representation of sportsmanship/fair play (if exploiting) for them to watch and engage with. This doesn't exactly make ESO PVP or PVPERS look appealing.

I really don't care much about streamers or watching them unless it's for drops, so I don't know who this is. I still don't really care either. I certainly wouldn't want to watch someone abuse a crap set, but to each their own. ZOS should probably clarify expectations or code of conduct as this seems to be a point of contention and disagreement. And it certainly shows if nothing else how toxic things are getting by refusing to address the set itself.

Side notes: if you made a report it may help to put the ticket number in your post. Also, this is probably a great clip to also put in the RoA thread that's been going. I'm also not sure if the barely censored language in this thread is censored enough to not get snipped/warned for profanity bypass.

this is a fair point but its a very slippery slope. If its not against the TOS of twitch then i dont see a problem. Anything can be offensive to someone. And tbh people are waaaay too easily offended these days. Clearly this streamers viewers dont care. Personally i dont care and it doesnt offend me, so does our opinion matter? Ya it was rude but like i said, if its not against twitchs tos then i dont think it matters.

if zos were to go down this route im sure they could find tons of things other stream team members have said on their streams that violate their TOS in game or on the forums. One has nothing to do with the other. Swearing will get you banned in game, should zos remove every creator from the stream team who swears on stream? I just think its silly.

TheLoreMaster420 · February 16

This streamer is clearly violating both Twitch’s Code of Conduct and ESO’s Code of Conduct. In their stream, they repeatedly used the words “***” and “***” against community members while justifying it by saying, “If you come in here and act like a ***, I'm going to call you a ***. I don’t care if I’m not allowed to say it here or there or anywhere.”

Per ESO’s Code of Conduct:
Harassment & Hate Speech – Zenimax prohibits speech that promotes hatred or discrimination, including offensive slurs.

Per Twitch’s Community Guidelines:
Hateful Conduct – Twitch does not allow content that denigrates or insults a person or group based on disability or other protected characteristics.

This person is also an ESO Stream Team member, meaning they are meant to be a positive representation of the community. Their behavior directly contradicts that responsibility. The attached video provides clear evidence of these violations. This needs to be addressed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SMEXagOkuA

forum_propagandist · February 16

Pepegrillos wrote: »

The whole stream team programme should be scrapped. It's an indecent system through which ZOS attempts to bias the flow of viewership (by arranging spotlights, promotions, and facilitating neverending giveaways of otherwise unobtainable goods) to the content creators they prefer on completely opaque grounds. It's a system of favorites and blacklists that has tainted ESO's content creator space for years. (Just as an example, giving selective drops to stream team members on Twitch early on was what prompted people left out of the programme to start embedding their streams.)

If at least it had been successful at cultivating a lively environment of content creators, but not even. All we have left is a stagnant pond that seems to be about to dry out.

Honestly I could not agree more. This comment represents my thoughts more precisely than anything on these forums ever has before. The stream team is a failed project.

Orbital78 · February 16

@ZOS_Kevin what is the official stance of zos on using rush of agony in Cyrodiil like this? Are changes going to be made or is this a feature and working as intended?

I want to know for science before planning white strakes.

barney2525 · February 16

forum_gpt wrote: »

IIILaaLaaIII wrote: »

I wanted to bring attention to something that happened recently involving an official ESO Stream Team member. During their live stream on Twitch, they were using an exploit. I pointed it out in chat, letting them know that what they were doing was considered exploiting.

Instead of addressing the issue professionally, they became extremely offensive towards me. As a young woman, I was shocked when they told me to “suck my d***” and called me “ret*rded.” This kind of behaviour is completely unacceptable, especially from someone representing the game and the community.

This isn't the first time I have seen him say things like this, but this can't be something that members of ZOS's public stream team allows right?

I was watching at the time, and I completely agree—ZOS needs to address this. Just because they're a Stream Team member doesn't mean they should be able to act however they want. They’re still representing the game and should be held to the same standards as everyone else. This kind of behavior is completely unacceptable, and they shouldn’t get a free pass for something this serious.

Anyone that is representing the game should be held to a HIGHER standard than the average player.

That's the way it is in real life.

VoxAdActa · February 16

darvaria wrote: »

I'm beginning to think the PVP community in this game is too toxic for many players now.

It absolutely is. I'm just starting to dip my toes into PvP, and I have a pretty thick skin, but the amount of sexual harassment, slurs (of all types, including racial and homophobic), and DM/mail harassment make it feel like a middle school locker room. My block list filled up to the allowed maximum (100?) within the first week.

I have to wear an undyed costume to make it harder for people to specifically hunt me down; I was getting singled out by the same players over and over again, who would ignore everyone else and everything going on just to chase me down and kill me (and then do overtly sexual things to my corpse). Me, a crappy DPS in crafted gear with my whole 3 solo kills ever. I'm seriously considering using my crowns for an appearance change token and turning my character into a male. I already know better than to mention my IRL gender in any form of group chat or use voice chat ever.

I'm only putting up with it because I want those dye colors for the alliance rank achievements, and I'm pissed that I HAVE to put up with it if I want the in-game rewards. I have to psych myself up for it every time I go to enter the queue. I was intending to chase all the PvP achievements, like I do for the PvE ones, but to heck with that. Absolutely not. The only way to really fit in and roll with that kind of nonsense is to become it, and I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if I was that kind of horrid.

Once I have those colors, I will probably be leaving them to their own little edgy teenage boy kingdom. The behavior of a lot of people in this thread is a testament to the overall hate-filled cesspool that PvP is in this game. "Too sensitive," "outraged minority," "too easily offended these days," "isn't a big deal," etc.

I can absolutely see why it's a small, dying community that isn't bringing in more new players. A whole lot of people clearly don't think dealing with PvPers is worth the trouble. The PvP community goes well out of its way to make sure they chase off new PvPers forever, then cheer and high-five each other when it happens. I can't wait until I can say "good riddance" to the whole rotten section of the playerbase.

barney2525 · February 16

TheLoreMaster420 wrote: »

This streamer is clearly violating both Twitch’s Code of Conduct and ESO’s Code of Conduct. In their stream, they repeatedly used the words “***” and “***” against community members while justifying it by saying, “If you come in here and act like a ***, I'm going to call you a ***. I don’t care if I’m not allowed to say it here or there or anywhere.”

Per ESO’s Code of Conduct:
Harassment & Hate Speech – Zenimax prohibits speech that promotes hatred or discrimination, including offensive slurs.

Per Twitch’s Community Guidelines:
Hateful Conduct – Twitch does not allow content that denigrates or insults a person or group based on disability or other protected characteristics.

This person is also an ESO Stream Team member, meaning they are meant to be a positive representation of the community. Their behavior directly contradicts that responsibility. The attached video provides clear evidence of these violations. This needs to be addressed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SMEXagOkuA

this guy definitely needs to be kicked out as a Zos representative.

G0K4R · February 16

Decimus wrote: »

Exactly as I said earlier, a lot of these "exploiter" accusations stem either from PvP tilt or from misunderstanding of game mechanics.

In this case I can just agree with this here.

But what is it about the pushups? oO

Major_Mangle · February 16

After watching most of the VOD people refer to all I can say is this:

* I agree with people that the language used by the streamer isn´t appropriate for a stream team member, there is no defending that regardless of what people wanna say.

* In terms of whether it´s an exploit or not is very much debatable. There is a known case of an EU player getting banned for pulling people with the RoA + Shade combo into sanctuary zones in IC (which leads to you dying through environmental damage), which was clearly not intended design, since this person got banned (didn´t help his case that he made a video and posted it publicly either). The clip from the stream is however not the same case as the player on EU who got banned. I´ve yet to see or experience getting stuck in objects through this mean people describe. At the end of the day it´s up to ZOS to decide if it´s an exploit or not (or just an unforeseen effect of ZOS reworking RoA when they added that 1 sec delay to the pull). But the post and comments from some people here makes it almost come off as a "witchhunt" because said streamer disrupted their gameplay, which they didn´t like.

ZOS_Icy · February 16

Greetings,

We have removed some insulting back and forth that was disruptive. Please ensure you are treating others with respect on the forums even when they have views that differ from your own.

The Elder Scrolls Online Team