EdjeSwift wrote: »

FelisCatus wrote: »

Again you also did not read the original post, it's not skipping the game if your main has done everything. Technically buying skillines on crownstore is more of a skip.

No matter how many skill lines you buy from the crown store the one thing you cannot skip is those 50 levels of the class. You can have all 500+ skill points unlocked but you still have to level the class, use the skills and learn how to play the class and character and wait for skills to be unlocked. This is part of the experience of playing a class. Sure that character can have Meteor at level 1 but they won't have their class abilities or even their weapon abilities unlocked. Look, I get it, you love your main and you don't like your alts, if you're that attached to them, you can always recreate them, using all the same variables and come in fresh as a new class, treat it like some Daedric Prince gave you a reset on life.

Again it's not about leveling to 50. That part is easy. It's about having to abandon a character you're attached to that you've done everything on only because of something as basic as 3 skill lines. I have recreated my main visually, etc with just a different class but then I have to go do all the quests, dungeons, crafting, traits, motifs, guild skill lines, etc. AFTER I've levelled them to 50. Levelling to 50 is extremely easy and that isn't the issue. It's all the other stuff is.

Sarannah wrote: »

No, as a class change is basically skipping having to play the game. Hope it never happens!

Just create multiple characters if you want to try another class. But a classchange would devalue all the work someone else put into their class.

Agreed, just like someone having managed to achieve Master Angler on a couple of characters, only to log in one day to find the other 16 characters were now Master Anglers too, despite never having caught a single fish.

Sarannah wrote: »

No, as a class change is basically skipping having to play the game. Hope it never happens!

Just create multiple characters if you want to try another class. But a classchange would devalue all the work someone else put into their class.

I doubt it ever happens. Zenimax has made it so we do not have to level up guild or AvA skill lines again and we can even buy sky shards we have obtained on other characters. Let us not forget the ability to instantly train our mounts has been available for awhile.

All of that A La Carte is likely to bring in more revenue than a class change token could.

I find it very dismissive how many people seem to disregard a very legitimate reason for wanting to change your class: if you roleplay your characters over a long period of time, grow emotionally attached to them, but you realise after this time that a new (or even existing) class suits the roleplay better.

By restarting the character from scratch, you are deleting their story, and it won't be same a second time.

If this is something you do not understand / cannot relate to in the slightest, as you do not view your characters in this way, that is of course fine, but it saddens me how many people are against class change because to them personally "rerolling" has no emotional element.

(+1 to the people here who have pointed out the nonsense that is being able to change your race, but class, which is a skill set and not in-born, being off-limits.)

Edit to add: If class change were made possible, would many players use it for entirely different reasons? Well of course, and that's fine too. I stand by my mantra of "let others have their fun." This is a game, and unless one is harassing others, they are not hurting them by playing differently.

I have only one Reason why i want a classchange options. And thats because i have to lvl up stuff like scry again and again.

scrying is nice if you do it one time. But lvl it up on multiple times and it gets pretty boring. So changing class would be nice, OR give scry lvl on alts.

ComradeBiscuit wrote: »

I find it very dismissive how many people seem to disregard a very legitimate reason for wanting to change your class: if you roleplay your characters over a long period of time, grow emotionally attached to them, but you realise after this time that a new (or even existing) class suits the roleplay better.

By restarting the character from scratch, you are deleting their story, and it won't be same a second time.

If this is something you do not understand / cannot relate to in the slightest, as you do not view your characters in this way, that is of course fine, but it saddens me how many people are against class change because to them personally "rerolling" has no emotional element.

Actually giving up on your current profession, having no longer access to it and starting as a new class is more like "deleting" a characters past/ memory/ story as you can't go back easily. Making a new toon contains the prior character completely while you're able to start a brand new story of another beloved one and you can switch back and forth onto them. Your arguments are the complete opposite of what you're trying to tell us.

Plus it's not like you're magically having more comtent to do after a class change, in fact you're having less as you can't replay one-time quests. Your turn.

evan302 wrote: »

As to remaking a character, we don't have the ability to save appearances so unless you took screenies when you made a character, remaking them is going to be hit and miss.

Well there is an option, you're just not going to like it: Get a change appearance token and use it on the toon you want to recreate, now you can see all the sliders and options you took. You can cancel the process and keep the token for future uses.

thorwyn wrote: »

I find it very dismissive to start a poll and then be upset about people not answering the way you want to hear. Some people came up with perfectly valid reasons why class change is NOT a good idea from the game design perspective. As long as you are unable to eliminate those objections, "let us have fun" is not a convincing argument pro class change.
Also, in my books, roleplaying your characters means that they have some kind of background that can not be *POOF* magically changed, because it "suits the roleplay better".

I am not convinced by any arguments against it because I cannot see how anything raised is more important than letting everyone play how they want. However, I cannot see how I could convince anyone who does think that is a lesser concern otherwise. All I can do is state my opinion, as I have done.

Edit to add: The method of roleplay you have described is no more nor less valid than anyone else's.

I'd see a usage limit to avoid chasing the meta class, a hefty price for a single token, skill lines getting reset to level 1, possible bugs of skill points getting lost.

Best approach is to start a new character and level it up to 50, which shouldn't take too long these days.

Regarding knowledge, it's your characters that learn things like recipes and motifs, not your account. Same thing applies to Companion rapport, as your characters develop friendships, not your account.

I say yes, but my question then is do you get all your class skill points refunded and have to regrind the class lines for the new class? To me, that's really the only feasible way that makes sense.

Kisakee wrote: »

Put all skill lines to 0 and reset all skyshards and everything else than can be bought in the crown store including mount training so it's like you would start a fresh new character and i'm okay with class changes. Otherwise still No.

seems a bit too much to me to include skyshards and mount training. Just my opinion. Cuz that's kind of the whole point. If you're gonna nuke the toon on everything except level, might as well just make a new toon lol.

You also wanna reset crafting progress?

Kisakee wrote: »

Put all skill lines to 0 and reset all skyshards and everything else than can be bought in the crown store including mount training so it's like you would start a fresh new character and i'm okay with class changes. Otherwise still No.

What's the point then