Cooperharley wrote: »

Most No’s in here are personal No’s for their own reasons, but I think the positive thing to do would be to give more options to the players!

You have more than enough options, you're just not using them. Hint: Alts.

Cooperharley wrote: »

Who are you to judge how someone wants to play the game? I personally would love it as I only play one character mostly and it’d be nice to switch when I get burnt out on my main to spice things up! Especially when new classes come out and I want to try it but not start absolutely everything over.

Just because you would like it doesn't mean it would be good for the game. The whole purpose of an MMO is to keep people playing which means to get lots of alt characters to expierence variety. A class change would completely contradict what they want you to do: Play more on other characters. If you're not doing it for whatever reason that's on you, the option is still there.

Cooperharley wrote: »

The thing is - a token wouldn’t affect anyone who didn’t want to purchase one themselves. It would just open up freedom for people who want it. So saying no is frankly silly in my opinion.

That's because you don't understand how the system works, a class change would kill the game in the long run plus it would be extremely expensive to make up for all the time/ money you're not spending to level up a new characters and it's skill lines, guilds and everything else.

Cooperharley wrote: »

I think these posts should be made regularly as they are as it shows something that MANY players do indeed want and have not received yet. The point of the forums is to draw attention to concerns, requests, etc. ZOS may not have had plans for this a year ago or 2 years ago, but that doesn’t mean it’s something they can’t work towards - especially given how many are interested. People getting sick of these posts should keep the same energy then for posts about Necro buffs or Templar support buffs - haven’t done it yet, so might as well stop posting! Right? Of course not.

The answer is still no and as long as i care for the game it isn't going to change because i want to keep the game running.

Veryamedliel wrote: »

If only people stopped crying about class change tokens.. 500k threads on this and ZoS' answer has never changed.

Give it a rest already. Spend your time on something you might be able to change.

I don't think people will stop asking for it.

Kisakee wrote: »

Cooperharley wrote: »

Most No’s in here are personal No’s for their own reasons, but I think the positive thing to do would be to give more options to the players!

You have more than enough options, you're just not using them. Hint: Alts.

Cooperharley wrote: »

Who are you to judge how someone wants to play the game? I personally would love it as I only play one character mostly and it’d be nice to switch when I get burnt out on my main to spice things up! Especially when new classes come out and I want to try it but not start absolutely everything over.

Just because you would like it doesn't mean it would be good for the game. The whole purpose of an MMO is to keep people playing which means to get lots of alt characters to expierence variety. A class change would completely contradict what they want you to do: Play more on other characters. If you're not doing it for whatever reason that's on you, the option is still there.

Cooperharley wrote: »

The thing is - a token wouldn’t affect anyone who didn’t want to purchase one themselves. It would just open up freedom for people who want it. So saying no is frankly silly in my opinion.

That's because you don't understand how the system works, a class change would kill the game in the long run plus it would be extremely expensive to make up for all the time/ money you're not spending to level up a new characters and it's skill lines, guilds and everything else.

Cooperharley wrote: »

I think these posts should be made regularly as they are as it shows something that MANY players do indeed want and have not received yet. The point of the forums is to draw attention to concerns, requests, etc. ZOS may not have had plans for this a year ago or 2 years ago, but that doesn’t mean it’s something they can’t work towards - especially given how many are interested. People getting sick of these posts should keep the same energy then for posts about Necro buffs or Templar support buffs - haven’t done it yet, so might as well stop posting! Right? Of course not.

The answer is still no and as long as i care for the game it isn't going to change because i want to keep the game running.

Other MMOs lke Final Fantasy have been able to implement class change and haven't lost players because of it.

Absolutely yes.

Makes much more sense to change class than race...

I can understand why you'd like one, but would it really be such a good idea, generally speaking? I mean, any time a new class comes out a *lot* of people are playing the same class as it is, and I suspect you'll see a whole lot more people playing the same class when a token such as this will be made available. I don't know, I think that would be quite a boring experience?

I kinda like the idea of having to choose a class and having to invest some time in your class. It's like picking your favourite team. You wouldn't support a different team every couple of months either, would you? I understand why playing the same story over and over would be less exciting than playing it for the first time, but surely you can create a baby character every time a new Chapter comes out?

You don't *have* to play everything with the same character. You say you're attached to your main character, and I get that, but would your main character really be the same if you changed him/her every couple of months? Why not create a new one and play a new Chapter?

I mean, we already have the option to just buy the skill lines we've unlocked for new characters if we *really* don't want to play everything again, and if you're willing to spend money on a class change token, you'd probably be willing to spend money on a skill line?

allochthons wrote: »

Yes.
But it'll never happen.

I really wish the devs would read these threads, though. There have been great suggestions over the years for making it really useful without being overpowered!
The main one being: Only let each toon change class Once. Or only be able to change a class once per account once every 365 days.

For example, I have a toon I made for an under 50 Emperor push. I already had two other toons of that class, so I'll never actually use this toon for anything else unless I can change the class. But I spent a LOT of effort getting skyshards, leveling psijic, etc. And I don't want to delete the toon and lose that effort. So right now it's a bank/crafting writs toon, just on the off-chance they actually let us change class one day.

I have 18 toons. A mag and a stam on every class, and a healer, dps, and a tank on every class. I still want to be able to change a class once in awhile.

A genuine curiosity question - why do you think it would be overpowered to be able to swap class more than once (or once a year), its not like you would be swapping mid trial between trash mobs and bosses if it was similar to other tokens. Yes you may see more 'flavour of the month' classes appearing in various content but that would be a players choice for those who don't like levelling characters or whatever reason they have for not having a specific character for that class

fizl101 wrote: »

allochthons wrote: »

Yes.
But it'll never happen.

I really wish the devs would read these threads, though. There have been great suggestions over the years for making it really useful without being overpowered!
The main one being: Only let each toon change class Once. Or only be able to change a class once per account once every 365 days.

For example, I have a toon I made for an under 50 Emperor push. I already had two other toons of that class, so I'll never actually use this toon for anything else unless I can change the class. But I spent a LOT of effort getting skyshards, leveling psijic, etc. And I don't want to delete the toon and lose that effort. So right now it's a bank/crafting writs toon, just on the off-chance they actually let us change class one day.

I have 18 toons. A mag and a stam on every class, and a healer, dps, and a tank on every class. I still want to be able to change a class once in awhile.

A genuine curiosity question - why do you think it would be overpowered to be able to swap class more than once (or once a year), its not like you would be swapping mid trial between trash mobs and bosses if it was similar to other tokens. Yes you may see more 'flavour of the month' classes appearing in various content but that would be a players choice for those who don't like levelling characters or whatever reason they have for not having a specific character for that class

It's a player's choice that would be heavily influenced by frequent changes being made to classes so that more tokens would be sold in order to make up the lost revenue from character slots, skill lines, skyshards and mount training etc. The player's choice might also be dictated by those groups that kicked those players who weren't playing the "flavour of the month" class for their role.

TwiceBornStar wrote: »

I can understand why you'd like one, but would it really be such a good idea, generally speaking? I mean, any time a new class comes out a *lot* of people are playing the same class as it is, and I suspect you'll see a whole lot more people playing the same class when a token such as this will be made available. I don't know, I think that would be quite a boring experience?

I kinda like the idea of having to choose a class and having to invest some time in your class. It's like picking your favourite team. You wouldn't support a different team every couple of months either, would you? I understand why playing the same story over and over would be less exciting than playing it for the first time, but surely you can create a baby character every time a new Chapter comes out?

You don't *have* to play everything with the same character. You say you're attached to your main character, and I get that, but would your main character really be the same if you changed him/her every couple of months? Why not create a new one and play a new Chapter?

I mean, we already have the option to just buy the skill lines we've unlocked for new characters if we *really* don't want to play everything again, and if you're willing to spend money on a class change token, you'd probably be willing to spend money on a skill line?

Personally it takes me awhile to decide if I like a class. I did fully level all (including guilds) skill lines, even antiquities, on necro even did a lot of pvp and pve on it then realised after about 2 years I didn't like it and couldn't stick to it so I went back to my main DK which I find really boring. What stopped me staying on Necro? I enjoyed Necro but my main gripe was the temp summons. It took me awhile to realise that it wasn't something that I came to the conclusion of after a few weeks. On top of

Having to repeat all the quests for map completion and skillpoints. It's too much. The game has gotten to the point where there's so much content that's not bad but it makes alts more and more laborious. I don't find repeating quests fun, I already know the story and outcome and skipping through them isn't fun either. It's not like ESO's quests are multiple choice like BG3 either, so there's no real benefit except skillpoints to re-doing them. Conclusion? I don't play my necro anymore. I have no intent of playing it again, I'd only MAYBE play Necro if I could class change my main into one. Although if I class change was available I'd probably go nightblade.

Bottom line is class change is not only convenient but it's a quality of line addition that just increasingly makes more sense the bigger and more expansive the game gets. Inevitably there will be more classes, as no one really expected arcanist. It doesn't make sense to just stop at one class that is devoted to one daedric prince. It seems like they may make more daedric prince themed classes. Do you think people should have to level an alt, not just main level but skill lines, guild lines, quests, dungeon quests, pvp rank etc. Then what if they decide after years that a new character they've made that they've completed lots on and are attached to decide they no longer feel that character's identity matches with their class or their class is no longer fun to them anymore. They have to shelve the whole character and restart on an alt?

The logic makes no sense. Not everyone has the time or patience either. I know MMOS are grindy but they are also games and games are supposed to be fun. Burn out is what causes players to leave. It's why the game spikes in activity at events but tempers out when events end.

Never in any good mmo there was a class change, a class in an mmo is a base you build around, race, gender etc not.important, also that's why they give you more slots with new classes, we have 20 slots now, use them

I have no need for it.

While it would be nice, it all comes down to $$$. They make a fortune off of character upgrades. Imagine if nobody needed to buy any more upgrade items because all they would have to do it purchase a class change... ZOS would lose tons of money. With outfits, armories, mount upgrades, etc... all being character bound... it doesn't make sense to allow people to change class- even for 5K crown. To make up for the loss, ZOS would need to charge about 150K-200K crown PER class change.

I think the option should definitely be there for everyone. I'd personally only ever change a character's class if ZOS made a new class that suited them better which, for my characters, I doubt would ever happen, especially if arcanist is something to go by.

No, as a class change is basically skipping having to play the game. Hope it never happens!

Just create multiple characters if you want to try another class. But a classchange would devalue all the work someone else put into their class.

Don't need it for myself, because I have lots of alts. But for those who want it, go for it.

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

that's what alts are for.

I'm sorry, but it takes maybe 8 hours to hit level 50 if you do it right. And you have all your Champ points. The skill points if you just blast through the story of each zone you quickly after more than enough. Being able to change the class i s just lazy.

You clearly did not read the original post.

Sarannah wrote: »

No, as a class change is basically skipping having to play the game. Hope it never happens!

Just create multiple characters if you want to try another class. But a classchange would devalue all the work someone else put into their class.

Again you also did not read the original post, it's not skipping the game if your main has done everything. Technically buying skillines on crownstore is more of a skip.