Callous2208 wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

For the people that are mad that former/upset players are here posting complaints:

Just about every single business I know of would KILL to be able to know their former/upset customer's opinions. A lot of times in business, you lose customers and you have no clue why.

You have people here doing lengthy critical analysis pieces and having intelligent discussions, and you think this is bad for the game or company?

I think you just don't like reading it.

People are going to complain about products that change or they don't like. Businesses actually appreciate the feedback.

Now if YOU don't like it, the back button is up there. Trying to insult former players as stalkers is not going to change how all consumers react to poorly performing products. If my car gets recalled, am I allowed to go on the forums and complain about it? Years later, after I have sold it, am I within my rights to use my experience to advise others not to purchase that car? Can I relate my experiences in a conversation, even though they are negative?

I think the main issue is that a small minority have decided this is a poorly performing product. Then a few others who share that opinion have flocked here to heap praise and ataboys on those individuals, excited that someone agrees with them. Nothing wrong with that opinion, but let's not just act like it's anything other than that, an opinion. Am I not within my rights to tell you I think the game is great, getting better everyday, and think you are wrong? Am I not within my rights to question why someone would waste their time discussing things they don't like, on a forum for the thing they don't like or play anymore? If people don't like coming to forums where everyone doesn't click agree and share their opinion, the back button is at the top of the page ya know.

A small minority? So do you think the majority of people that have tried ESO think its great? Is that why so many campaigns went away? Is that why the game went B2P?

You are of course within your rights to say whatever you want.

However, you are here, attacking people because they are criticizing the game.

I personally like coming to forums where everyone doesn't agree. That's why I'm here. If you want to say the game is great, that's fine. I will reply with my opinion. I'm not calling you a stalker or anything, or referencing how we treat ex-girlfriends or other such pointless contentions.

Here is the thing. We are here to voice our unhappiness. You are here, not to make counter arguments, but to argue against us participating in the conversation to begin with.

So I will happily continue posting here, and you can happily continue to tell us why posting here is pointless. How about instead of attacking this post, and the people in it, you actually provide, oh I don't know, a counter-argument? Tell me how great this update is, and explain to me how it signifies ESO is going in a great direction. Show me how both PvP players and PvE players are so happy that content like Trials, DSA, Cyrodiil, Craglorn has been made obsolete.

Because I think everyone here understands that you personally believe our opinions don't matter. I know for an absolute fact that ZOS doesn't agree with you. This is why there is ESO live, this is why they answer our questions. Because they care about our opinion, whether you like it or not.

jnjdun_ESO wrote: »

Wizzo91 wrote: »

NeoBeastX wrote: »

If you feel like you should give up then give up. This game may not be suited for you.

@NeoBeastX

I'm laughing so hard right now. Your signature. Are you really that proud you've dumped that many $$$ into virtual items, to list them all and show them off?

I'll never be able to take you seriously. Ridiculous.

LOL The schedule is even funnier.

What's the point in having so many paid-for items if you don't let people know when you are showing them off?

Given the lack of action on cp free campaigns, painful fragmented loot, and other curious choices Zos has made...my answer is yes. Yes I am giving up on Zos. It took a while, but i would be foolish to keep coming here and annoying people about the same issues. Zos have their priorities, and while i hate it i understand that I am simply not one of them. Thank you Zos...you have cured me of my Elder Scrolls addiction. There are just too many other good games out there that are fun and do not punish me for not grinding, and they are going to make several hundred dollars that SHOULD have been going to Zenimax. But why would I give money to people who ignore me? Why would I pay someone to make a game better for other people and worse for me?

I have hope for the future, but it is dim and in need of some TLC. When Zos show they are equally concerned about what I want from ESO as they are the grinding/ganking crowd they seen to mostly cater for, I might consider coming and having another look. But they'll have to advertise well cuz I don't think I'm going to bother checking the forum anymore for updates.

Dru1076 wrote: »

Given the lack of action on cp free campaigns, painful fragmented loot, and other curious choices Zos has made...my answer is yes. Yes I am giving up on Zos. It took a while, but i would be foolish to keep coming here and annoying people about the same issues. Zos have their priorities, and while i hate it i understand that I am simply not one of them. Thank you Zos...you have cured me of my Elder Scrolls addiction. There are just too many other good games out there that are fun and do not punish me for not grinding, and they are going to make several hundred dollars that SHOULD have been going to Zenimax. But why would I give money to people who ignore me? Why would I pay someone to make a game better for other people and worse for me?

I have hope for the future, but it is dim and in need of some TLC. When Zos show they are equally concerned about what I want from ESO as they are the grinding/ganking crowd they seen to mostly cater for, I might consider coming and having another look. But they'll have to advertise well cuz I don't think I'm going to bother checking the forum anymore for updates.

Can you log-in just one more time and mail me your gear and gold? My PSN is PinoZino. I love you and good luck.

PinoZino wrote: »

If you have to fly from London to NY, do you suggest the pilot how to fly? No, you don't.

No, you don't, but you can choose your flight out and legs for said flight. Considered as options, which are like opinions from different sources. I've come to truly believe ESO is a great game in regards to other MMO's out there. However, blanketing old bugs with temporary fixes and leaving them as long driven temporary, to include stacking some more bugs from new content is not and should not be the answer. Either the team that fixes these issues grow or the game will continue to see diminishing number of players. It is, in my eyes, about keeping the consumer satisfied. I don't believe folks should be crying about fixes, but I don't think it should take months to fix them either. I don't fault anyone for taking their time to fix bugs and finding the root of the problem, but it just feels as if there is a 2 man team back there trying to fix everything..

Stikato wrote: »

You can point to Metacritic, and I can point to these forums. Tons of people have greyed-out friends lists, but I guess I can invite Metacritic to group with me. I guess we are vocal minority here, but 250 votes on Metacritic doesn't really make your case. A forum full of actual, legitimate proven players makes mine. I can tell just by the activity and missing names that it is slowing down and people are unhappy.

I'm only stating my opinion of where the game is going. As a player and customer since beta, do I have that right? Does my criticism have to be perfectly and eloquently stated to be valid in your eyes? Does this forum not exist in part for players to voice opinions. This is the General Discussion forum for Elder Scrolls Online.

Like I said in the part of my post that you shortened to *blabla*, please tell me how I am wrong. How about you address the actual issues here, instead of attacking the people that raise them?

-Exploits being allowed to continue
-Last-minute, game breaking changes to Imperial City DLC
-Reduction in relevant endgame areas
-Reduction in gear setups
-Loss of important methods of playing (Trials, DSA, Leaderboards)
-Elimination of large scale pvp in Cyrodiil

Do you want to make analogies about how people discuss the game? Or do you want to actually talk about the matter at hand?

And if the airlines set up a discussion forum for customer to discuss the flights, I would certainly offer my opinion. I'm not telling ZOS how to boot the servers, or code the engine, I'm only discussing my opinion of the game changes.

Because that's partly what this forum is for.

798 people gave it on average a 7.8
That would not happen if the game was trash.

Sure, you have the right to state an opinion. But if you come in my restaurant, shouting that my food is *PEEP* and that I'm *PEEP* then I guide you to the exit. Even if me or my food are really *PEEP*.

We all have issues with the game. And everyone thinks 'his' issues are the most important ones. It isn't.

Be patient, if your issue is a real issue, sooner or later they'll fix it.

PinoZino wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

You can point to Metacritic, and I can point to these forums. Tons of people have greyed-out friends lists, but I guess I can invite Metacritic to group with me. I guess we are vocal minority here, but 250 votes on Metacritic doesn't really make your case. A forum full of actual, legitimate proven players makes mine. I can tell just by the activity and missing names that it is slowing down and people are unhappy.

I'm only stating my opinion of where the game is going. As a player and customer since beta, do I have that right? Does my criticism have to be perfectly and eloquently stated to be valid in your eyes? Does this forum not exist in part for players to voice opinions. This is the General Discussion forum for Elder Scrolls Online.

Like I said in the part of my post that you shortened to *blabla*, please tell me how I am wrong. How about you address the actual issues here, instead of attacking the people that raise them?

-Exploits being allowed to continue
-Last-minute, game breaking changes to Imperial City DLC
-Reduction in relevant endgame areas
-Reduction in gear setups
-Loss of important methods of playing (Trials, DSA, Leaderboards)
-Elimination of large scale pvp in Cyrodiil

Do you want to make analogies about how people discuss the game? Or do you want to actually talk about the matter at hand?

And if the airlines set up a discussion forum for customer to discuss the flights, I would certainly offer my opinion. I'm not telling ZOS how to boot the servers, or code the engine, I'm only discussing my opinion of the game changes.

Because that's partly what this forum is for.

798 people gave it on average a 7.8
That would not happen if the game was trash.

Sure, you have the right to state an opinion. But if you come in my restaurant, shouting that my food is *PEEP* and that I'm *PEEP* then I guide you to the exit. Even if me or my food are really *PEEP*.

We all have issues with the game. And everyone thinks 'his' issues are the most important ones. It isn't.

Be patient, if your issue is a real issue, sooner or later they'll fix it.

Are you going to respond to the list of issues I posted, or are you just here to make fun of people and ask for their stuff?

You want to have a real discussion? Here is your chance.

Stikato wrote: »

Are you going to respond to the list of issues I posted, or are you just here to make fun of people and ask for their stuff?

You want to have a real discussion? Here is your chance.

No. I don't want to address your issues. Are we clear now?

Can I have your stuff too?

PinoZino wrote: »

Stikato wrote: »

Are you going to respond to the list of issues I posted, or are you just here to make fun of people and ask for their stuff?

You want to have a real discussion? Here is your chance.

No. I don't want to address your issues. Are we clear now?

Can I have your stuff too?

If you have nothing constructive to add, please stop responding to my posts.

sadownik wrote: »

I would love to see your source for the above, unless its warm and dark then no thanks.

Best I can do atm.. Its, not quite what I remember, but, last time I read something was prob 10 yeas ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%_rule_(Internet_culture)

wikipedia wrote: »

In Internet culture, the 1% rule is a rule of thumb pertaining to participation in an internet community, stating that only 1% of the users of a website actively create new content, while the other 99% of the participants only lurk. Variants include the 1-9-90 rule (sometimes 90–9–1 principle or the 89:10:1 ratio),[1] which states that in a collaborative website such as a wiki, 90% of the participants of a community only view content, 9% of the participants edit content, and 1% of the participants actively create new content.

The 1% rule states that the number of people who create content on the Internet represents approximately 1% (give or take) of the people actually viewing that content. For example, for every person who posts on a forum, generally about 99 other people are viewing that forum but not posting. The term was coined by authors and bloggers Ben McConnell and Jackie Huba,[3] although earlier references to the same concept[4] did not use this name

For me on ps4 eu, this game is just about over.

There isnt much to do for pvp and the lag is just too terrible to even pvp in cyrodiil or imperial city.
Daily kill quests done asap in a group and logoff.

I dont even want to level another character, seeing how the damage reduction in cyrodiil isnt killing anything.
Cold fire siege weapons just tickles and doesnt kill players anymore.
A Level 10 tanking 3 to 4 players, why even bother to level to vr16 when level 10 can do that.
Offload a whole 22k stamina of snipes and not kill anything (should be lag related i guess, either that or cyrodiil is really messed up)
Disconnects when a group of just 20 players invade keep.
Unusually long loading times and usually i am dead logging back in.
7 campaigns and only 1 Az has players, the queue for peak hours during IC launch is 280, now its 40-50s.

In imperial city, its just mindlessly killing players for little or no stones or camping arena or sneaking around sewers.
Alot of my friends in psn list are no longer logging into eso, i guess because the fun factor is really gone.

Whyn Aurum wrote: »

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Call the Diablo 3 rescue crew to pull ESO back up - only solution.

Well, I just started playing diablo 3 and its great. But the reason I play ESO is because of elder scroll and how pretty the game is.

I belong to a great guild that started out playing Lotro and since release ESO has been our main game.

While we love ESO, many things are getting beyond a joke now.

A few months ago one of the guild purchased a zombie survival multiplayer game that's in alpha (wont advertise it here). So far another 8 of our guild has purchased it including myself.

Players try to log in and play ESO, when faced with things like long loading times, most of us simply cant be bothered anymore and play something else instead, there's simply too many annoying things like that making the game play unenjoyable. Players have stated time and time again that the only reason they are spending so much time in that zombie game is due to the current annoying state of ESO, and these are all issues brought up 1000 times by many people on this forum.

Last night we had a guild outing in ESO and had great fun, however yet again lag was a problem for many, weapon swapping was a problem for many, getting the ultimate to fire off when wanted was a problem etc etc etc.

The reason I mention the other game is that it is currently version Alpha 12.5 and the comments I and the rest of the guild who have purchased it constantly make is how very few bugs there are in it compared to ESO (for example nearly 18 months after release, it's still a gamble whether we can access the ESO guild bank first go or not, and my guild has two guilds, swapping between guild banks is even less reliable).

The devs in that game also communicate with the players, when something doesn't work as expected, they tell the players what they have experienced, the problems they have encountered getting it working etc, and in many cases knowledgeable players have come up with solutions to the problems and the devs have happily implemented them.

ESO has always seem to have a very hush hush don't tell the players more than we have to type of management, the suits upstairs don't seem to have a clue about how to treat their player base, I don't think most of them even care at all and wouldn't be surprised if most of them ever bothered to read this forum. I appreciate the zenimax reps on here, but it is blindingly obvious how constrained they are about what they can say and what they cant which just infuriates players more.

This could easily have been one of the greatest MMOs of all time, but they released an unfinished game to the PC market and have been simply applying plasters/band aids to it ever since and it shows.

It also has the feel of a game where the original programmers have left and those that have taken over don't fully understand what the original ones were doing or why, and again the band aid approach continues.

For the time being I am not going anywhere, but I do play less and less in the past few months and just after content release, that shouldn't be the case.

https://hbr.org/2011/08/henry-ford-never-said-the-fast/