babylon wrote: »

Tannakaobi wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Nuuuu...I don't think any one of us here want to see solo only vet level quests...

er.... you what? No quests should be solo only.

Mages Guild and Fighters Guild quests are all solo, that's what I'm referring to. If they're solo-only, then probably Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood quests will also be solo-only.

And solo-only quests at vet level will suck donkey balls.

It's the Vet levels that suck donkey balls. Lets face it, ESO 1 - 50, great game, it then takes a nose dive and becomes a grind fest not even as good as games that are 15 years old.

Lets assume that Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood quests will be 51-60. Suddenly that sounds pretty good. It would make the Vet ranks pointless but meh! They are anyway...

The point is until they do come we just don't know. The real question is: Will we still be playing by then if VR are not improved?

nelsonus_ESO wrote: »

I also want to point out that VR12's beat down lower VR players in Cyrodil. Which means to really be at a level playing field you have to get to VR12.

I missed the craglorn free VR exp train before they nerfed it, so now Cyrodil has a million VR12 players and I am stuck grinding at half the exp that they got.

Aye, it seems to be a running theme in eso, if you are not a full time player spending 8+ hours every day on the game you get butt f***ed.

Tabbycat wrote: »

This is probably the biggest reason why I'm leveling as slowly as I am. I'm hoping that it gives ZOS more time to improve the Veteran levels before I get there.

This is what I wished I had done. I had a lot of time to play the past few months and I enjoyed the game immensely at first so I just played and played and got to VR10. Didn't have anything to do so I made an alt, got him to VR3, and he's been there since 1.1.2. In hindsight, I should have just played a lot less

Tannakaobi wrote: »

It's the Vet levels that suck donkey balls. Lets face it, ESO 1 - 50, great game, it then takes a nose dive and becomes a grind fest not even as good as games that are 15 years old.

That's just about it. Returned to playing my Dc alt today, mid 30's level, after playing ArcheAge for a week or so.

As ever the story was fine. The dialogue was good and the combat and exploration fun. It looked as good as ever.

But there's nothing else. Can't PvP. Can only just push on with questing. And it's fine at that, pretty enjoyable for awhile.

But this game needs much more width and depth as it essentially has none. And to its credit it doesn't pretend to have any. There's not even any guild features to speak of.

We can see now that all it ever wanted to be was a hard core, no frills combat grinder. If it could leap into a DeLorean and head back to 2004, it would.

Which is fine i guess, if there is a market for it. It's not that I haven't got my money's worth from 1-50. It's a very fine, essentially single player MMO for that time. Then it turns hard-core combat grinder quite deliberately.

That's what it wants to be and that who it sees its long term customers being. We can complain that's not what the marketing said but there it is. Like it or lump it.

There's no right or wrong. If all you want to do is fight all the time then ESO is for you. If you want more than cursory afterthought land-sea-air travel and exploration, crafting, guilds, housing, commerce etc there are other games.

ESO is what it is and isn't going to change. It might do what it does more and better but it#s not going to change. Hell, at the moment there's no sign at all that Zen even recognise the existence of what some see as major problems.

I think a lot of people, people like me, need to just accept it's not ever going to be the MMO it said it was going to be. It's just another quite fun for a while minor league single focus MMO. That's all it wants to be and that's all some people want it to be.

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Worstluck wrote: »

Great post steve, I feel the same exact way and I could never had said that better myself. I will be joining you in Archeage when the beta comes out

I'm not saying AA is in any way perfect. It being a semi-open world PvP game the community is utterly vile. The questing is not up to ESO standards and relies heavily on text.

But against all that there's always something to do, something to build, something to craft, somewhere to explore. It fully supports guilds, in fact it's build for guilds and player co-operation. This weekend my guild put a lot of time into building a couple of merchant ships from the bottom up.

If ESO had half the width and depth of AA it'd be the game we hoped it would be. But horses for courses. People who find the never-ending VR grind fun probably won't like the pace of AA. I was happy to spend a week building my very own adventurers clipper but can see how that won't appeal to everyone by any means.

L1-50 I still think ESO is a very good, even if expensive, largely single player game. I don't regret buying it at all. i'm just sad VR is what it is.

Sharee wrote: »

Vet is the same as normal, except you get one level per zone instead of 15. My suggestion? Forget about the level. Go to vet zones for the story, for the skyshards, for the sights. It only feels like a grind if you are hypnotizing the XP bar.

It's like tourism at its finest.

See the sights, enjoy the natives, kill a few to feel superior, and take some pics to show your friends.

Coldharbour licked again, Molag big Nut whupped and sliced again, I'm pact hero again.

Managed an hour in the Vet zone and then garaged my char along side my Vet 11 and rolled an alt, oh well !

ESO is what it wants to be. A 2004 era hard core, single focus combat grinder. If that's not what you or I wanted then i'm afraid it's just too bad for us. Get your fun levelling up to L50 and move on to something with a different ambition is probably the best option.

that's what i'll be doing. Have had a lot of fun in the main story line, got my money's worth but when the 6 month sub runs out i expect that will be it.

Heishi wrote: »

I got to VR on my main and stopped. I know it's technically the same stuff, but I shifted to other chars in other alliances to experience their stories. Plus it give me time to play with other class/builds.

^^this!

Totally agree - i rolled alts in the other 2 factions, and will go back to my VR main once there is some proper content.

Hopefully they'll add faction changes (happy to pay for this) at some point, so I can have all my chars in the one faction where my friends & guildmates play.

But until then - alting around

Vr content should have been part of the story.
Lvl 1-50 your main zone. Finish that, but not fight Molog yet.
Instead you have to go to another faction and convince them to a cease fire join the alliance to fight molog. Do this by gaining their trust by completing the zone.
The same for the third faction. Then fight molog with the help of the others.
I thought the story was rushed and couldnt believe I had beet the main bad guy so soon with soooooooo much more to do.

nelsonus_ESO wrote: »

VR's shouldn't increase your characters performance in PVP (gear or otherwise). It really puts off anyone who has a casual play schedule.

For instance, my brother can play maybe 6 hours a week max. In every pvp game we have played, he focuses on leveling when the game releases, and then gears and pvps at max rank. He has found the combat fun but the leveling is very difficult for him due to his casual playtime. He got to 35, but then we learned that VR ranks grant better gear for pvp AND craglorn was increasing the VR ranks. Upon realizing that he would have to spend an unbelievable amount of real life time to get to VR max, and that the VR max would be ever increasing, he quit.

What happens when a member of your pvp group quits a game? It trickles down. Why would I play ESO with half a group, when I can play another game with everyone. I wouldn't.

indeed, they made Craglorn to satisfy a group of power levelers and forgot the game needs more than those players.

Yankee wrote: »

Elyna wrote: »

Not kidding. Vet lvling is arguably the worse part of this game. It basically turned into a Korean MMO with the grinding. And theres no real incentive to lvl anyway, theres no instant gear reward, no faction goodies, all we get are 3 outfits. Which are cool and all, but you need to give people more reason to go on a grind quest.

Ironic to read this. At VR7 I shelved my ESO progression and am playing a Korean MMO. Arguably the grinding is no worse, and at least it rewards XP for other things besides quests, like crafting. And player housing exists, not two+ years (maybe) down the road.

ESO is the best looking world I have seen in awhile, but IMO ZOS did not take the time to fill it with enough interesting things to do. It seems to me like the bean counters set a live date for financial reasons, so they came up with the VR leveling system out of desperation.

agree, a MMO ideally should provide an environment for people to "live", and not everybody's life is fighting.

isengrimb16_ESO wrote: »

It would have been better if there were no factions, and you could do all the areas to get to 50/VR, with Bal as the end boss for the vanilla game. As for PvP, just make it a sandbox area with no factions and players beating on each other all they like; PvPers don't seem to care much about story, anyway - they just tend to want to skip it to get to PvPing as quickly as possible.

Organized realm vs. realm PvP is very different from random ganking and arena-style combat.

Despair9 wrote: »

This pretty much sums some of the problems with the veteran content:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/111134/veteran-content-better-solution#latest

Though I gotta say that I absolutely love the difficulty and the need to pay attention in VR content! 1-49 to me felt like some tutorial to combat, when you get to VR thats where the real deal starts. Its however sad as it could've been made so much better.

Here is what I suggested for a revamp of the VR levels which involves the elimination of visiting other factions, a reorganization of the zones as well as many other changes.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/106935/my-proposal-for-overhauling-veteran-content#latest

If ZOS would have implemented my proposal along with player housing, this game would be close to perfect.