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Which class is the most underpowered?
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Ghnami✭✭✭TemplarI've solo'd group dungeons as a DK. So yeah, that class is *** stupid. Templar has been okay so far though, I can see the burst potential but really I feel like it doesn't matter too much compared to other classes tankiness/cc.0 -
Hypertionb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭NightbladeOk my Sorcerer can Damage for 500 and heal for 250 per enemy he is fighting on average. Entirely because of critical surge... it is far from useless like you are trying to make it out to be.. He is Vr6 and has breezed through the Ebonheart pact zones with no real challenge, still able to solo world bosses as i did in the early levels.
Single Bosses even as strong as the bosses in public Dungeons that hit for 1k on light attacks are just a matter of spamming shards untill i need to Dark Exchange, and using Rune Cage to disable them while i do so. Those bosses are usually knocked down from the crystals, and never get in more than one hit in the time frame it takes for my natural healing to recover to full.
Vs groups of 7 npcs because of the previously mentioned aoe levels, i can deal 3k DPS while healing 1.5k damage.. much more than i can possibly take from a large group of trash mobs..
NB cannot even come close to touching that, Even factoring in a mage style build and Veil of Blades.....
and you know you can stop Dark Exchange by blocking right? just use a stun and i am sure you can get a couple of ticks off easily.
I hate to say it... but your case is definitly a LTP one....
I play every class in every situation. I love them all.1 -
Ghnami✭✭✭TemplarNightblades aren't really underpowered, you just need to learn how to use them balancing abilities and whatnot. Templars have no balance of abilities, you're full mage or you're ***. Being a full mage means being really squishy (or having no sustained damage) and with a templar it means not doing a terrible amount of aoe. While the burst is strong, you just can't survive like most other classes while dealing similar aoe damages. Honestly, this class should be the base for Zenimax. I feel like it offers you enough of a challenge while not really impeding you from progressing too much. Nerf the others to this point and game should be fine.
Please don't buff other classes to the dk's power. Otherwise it'd be a tank fest. Whoever is tankier wins, period. Damage should matter, and tankiness should matter. If you're a tank, you shouldn't die to a single combo of skills and shouldn't be able to kill anyone. If you're a burster, you should be able to burst anyone except for tanks and not be able to tank more than 1 person. If Zeni realizes this and balances the game accordingly, then it should be good. But honestly, right now a DK can face a ton of people while dealing a ton of damage and tanking all the damage from the opposing team. It really isn't fair, and even in pvm DKs are on top all the time.1 -
jelliedsoup✭✭✭✭✭NightbladeHaving never played a templar I can't say them. Nbs aren't strong and in PvP dks and sorcs do the 1000 plus damage on me.
If I get the jump on a sorc I can kill them. Dks just block. I've seen 6 players trying to kill a dk and they can last 30 seconds. I will last .3 of a second with that many attacking me.www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=Ks8_KGHqmO40 -
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✭✭NightbladeI can make all the other classes work, but not Nightblade.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
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Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭There really should be a "none of the above" choice. There are good and bad builds with every class. Having a good or bad build really depends on what weapon, armour and guild skills you use in combo with your choosen class."We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."0 -
Lettigall✭✭✭✭✭
✭Templarstarlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »There really should be a "none of the above" choice. There are good and bad builds with every class. Having a good or bad build really depends on what weapon, armour and guild skills you use in combo with your choosen class.
Try playing templar in veteran level and then post again. 3 mobs >>> Molag Bal. Actually fighting Mannimarco was easer then 3 mobs in vet.
There were even one guy who offered 50k gold for video with your templar doing 700+ DPS. Contest ended...... no winner.
Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!1 -
DeLindsay✭✭✭✭✭
✭TemplarNB isn't under-powered but we do have many broken class abilities which means you can choose to not use most of our class abilities or play broken. NB's DPS could use a minor improvement just to bring it inline with DK/Sorc.
Templar's DPS really isn't that great, but the question is should it be? Templar has the highest possible healing throughput, even though Sorc is preferred in on-the-go speed trials for their superior Magicka management. The question quite a few are asking lately is should Templar, being the clear winner in the healing category, also be just as capable in the DPS category when DK/Sorc/NB cannot push out the healing a Templar can? I will agree a Templar should be capable of solo'ing anything the other 3 classes can.
Outside of those 2 "classes" I'm still of the opinion there shouldn't have been classes in ESO from day one. We should've had the option to be whatever we chose to be on every single character we made. I'm not talking Light Armor + Staff vs everything else I'm talking "class" abilities that should've been available to everyone. That way we could all cherry pick from the best of each of the class lines to build a superior character.0 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭TemplarTemplar doesn't need that much work. If they fix the synergies with melee weapons.
a) Make Solar Barrage lasting for 8-10 seconds. Not the immediate next attack.
Or else make it to affect AoE damage also, since Solar Barrage is AoE to boot, let it make a nice synergy with Brawler or Whirlwind (etc). Maybe make it for 2 attacks.
b) Double the bonuses of the Balanced Warrior to make it meaningful.
c) Give bit extra boost on the bonuses of the Restoring Spirit.
d) Tweak the Sun Shield + morphs to give some Magicka, or even half the Magicka regen.
e) Rushed Ceremony - Breath of Life. Make them tad cheaper.
g) Maybe, Ext Ritual should give bit STA. Since we have the Rune Focus morph giving Magicka.
Those little things are going to help the Melee Templars quite a lot.
FYI 2H + Solar Barrage = as good Melee Templars as they can go imho.
After the respec stopped heaving issues with the VR content. Still difficult but not insane.
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Ashchild✭✭NightbladeClasses aren't the big issue, although one thing seems bloody obvious but may still need to be said: no class is overpowered.
Heavy armor ought to give three times the toughness that light armor does; and it doesn't. Melee sustained damage needs to be brought up to the level of magicka damage. Melee weapon damage needs to be better than ranged damage, and better than class spell damage, because it's melee.
I want to photocopy this, and post it on every tree in Valenwood. That's the real issue that makes the end-game builds so incestuous, and uniform.1 -
Bolo_Bob✭✭✭Dragonknightsince i have 8, veteran 12's currently and have deleted 16 veteran 12's, i can say with the most authority and since my opinion is the only one that matters.... that DK's are clearly the weakest link.
i have played each character for 800 hours so far and currently playing every MMO ever made at the same time... im playing right now, just so you know how awesome i am!!
....this is the joke/ BS thread right? i got my wading boots on and everything
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Anvos✭✭✭NightbladeIsince i have 8, veteran 12's currently and have deleted 16 veteran 12's, i can say with the most authority and since my opinion is the only one that matters.... that DK's are clearly the weakest link.
i have played each character for 800 hours so far and currently playing every MMO ever made at the same time... im playing right now, just so you know how awesome i am!!
....this is the joke/ BS thread right? i got my wading boots on and everything
If you honestly have that many characters V12 that seems to hint you didn't play your way to V12 but grinded your way to V12, which seems to invalidate your judging of class balance.2 -
Bolo_Bob✭✭✭DragonknightIsince i have 8, veteran 12's currently and have deleted 16 veteran 12's, i can say with the most authority and since my opinion is the only one that matters.... that DK's are clearly the weakest link.
i have played each character for 800 hours so far and currently playing every MMO ever made at the same time... im playing right now, just so you know how awesome i am!!
....this is the joke/ BS thread right? i got my wading boots on and everything
If you honestly have that many characters V12 that seems to hint you didn't play your way to V12 but grinded your way to V12, which seems to invalidate your judging of class balance.
maybe i should have added a knock-knock joke to my previous post too.
err... maybe i should have used hours per character in the thousands or hundreds of thousands.
but i figured that last line would be a dead give away at the very least in my previous post.1 -
starlizard70ub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »There really should be a "none of the above" choice. There are good and bad builds with every class. Having a good or bad build really depends on what weapon, armour and guild skills you use in combo with your choosen class.
Try playing templar in veteran level and then post again. 3 mobs >>> Molag Bal. Actually fighting Mannimarco was easer then 3 mobs in vet.
There were even one guy who offered 50k gold for video with your templar doing 700+ DPS. Contest ended...... no winner.
Same can be said for DK at veteran levels. 3 mobs = certain death.
"We have found a cave, but I don't think there are warm fires and friendly faces inside."0 -
Paladin_echo1✭✭✭TemplarEverything that is a physical attacker is underpowered. Just watched a magic attack DK just completely wipe a pve mob that I died to 3 times in a row and only killed by using an ultimate.0
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Lettigall✭✭✭✭✭
✭Templarstarlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »starlizard70ub17_ESO wrote: »There really should be a "none of the above" choice. There are good and bad builds with every class. Having a good or bad build really depends on what weapon, armour and guild skills you use in combo with your choosen class.
Try playing templar in veteran level and then post again. 3 mobs >>> Molag Bal. Actually fighting Mannimarco was easer then 3 mobs in vet.
There were even one guy who offered 50k gold for video with your templar doing 700+ DPS. Contest ended...... no winner.
Same can be said for DK at veteran levels. 3 mobs = certain death.
I never once saw DK dying from 3 mobs, even after nerfs. When I see DK questing same area as me, I know that I have a golden ticket, DK moves through mobs like train and you just need to fallow.
Only problem with DK could be if you grinded your levels up and actually don't know how to play your class.Some men just want to watch the world burn... I just want a cold beer!2 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭TemplarMate, I have a Templar, and personally I find it waste of magicka.1
