Which class is the most underpowered?

Mortosk

Templar

Lyall84 wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

Explain your choice below.

I just wanted to tearfully thank you for this poll. I am still under no illusion that the devs will notice it or acknowledge that Templars (especially melee DPS Templars) are fundamentally broken. But, still, thanks all the same.

Melee DPS is broke period. And the set bonuses to support melee or weapon skills are also broken. Example, hundings rage, claims to 19% extra weapon damage on weapon skills. Gives 2 or 3 more damage...not %, damage. As in carve goes from 198 damage per hit to 200 damage. Really 124 damage weapon, and 19% = 2 damage? All melee is broke regardless of class.

At least other classes have some useful skills in their class trees though.

Biezenw22eb17_ESO

Templar

templar needs better magicka refunding and + melee dps (for any class) and especially better class (dawn's wrath) caster dps.

Baphomet

Templars might be ranked lowest among the PvE crowd, but man, some of the templar builds I've seen in PvP lately... looks like people are fianlly starting to unravel their secrets.

tplink3r1

Templar

templars need better magicka management, without magicka we cant DPS or heal like the other classes. our abilities may deal low damage, but i dont think thats the main problem.

james_vestbergb16_ESO

Hexanon wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

Anyone voting for DK shows how extremely useless these polls are

Maybe not: They may be thinking about a specific build. A DK in anything other than a dress is not OP.

Spot on, but ppl Think its more fun to just say DK's are OP. It's the latest "cool" thing to say.

Vunter

Dragonknight

Dragonknight, obviously ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Saintti

Templar

When i frist started to play Templar i had several build's to try. I was so exited about my new great hero, what i had just make. I was like OMG i can heal and do solo stuff, thats so great! After getting my great hero to lever VR1 i was confused WTF why i cant kill that group of 3 regular mop. While checking my build some DK killed those mops by just standing middle of them and killing them in seconds. I was confused and really sure that there was something wrong on my great hero's build. But after fixing and fixing i newer got my build work like i would like it to work. I was weak, way to easy to kill just by group of 3 regular mops. Got little help from some mageguild skill after morphing it and turning my self to vampire so i can kill those 3 mops with that ultimate, what i had to morph frist btv. Now my great hero is VR12 Superior healer, no more vampire (hate those). Anyway if i wanna kill 3 mops soloing, that i still cant do! But killing me on battlefield in Cyrodiil is hard now. Templar's have great skills and many ways to use them, but damage what those skills do is to weak. Its eating my will to use my great hero.

So i have tree choice:
1. wait for update that make templar damage better
2. roll DK / Sorcerer
3. stop playing ( what i really don't wanna do) but...

Orchish

Templar

I die less to Templars than any other class. I have been smashed by DK's, i have been smashed by sorcerers. I even get smashed by Nightblades who know what they are doing. They can be absolutely deadly if they catch you from stealth.

Templars just feel average, maybe it's because there are less of them around in Cyrodiil? I vote Templar.

Osu

Templar

Wow, I can only assume that whoever voted for Sorc or DK has only ever played that class. Try a Templar alt and you will understand the meaning of underpowered.

Lyall84

Mortosk wrote: »

Lyall84 wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

Explain your choice below.

I just wanted to tearfully thank you for this poll. I am still under no illusion that the devs will notice it or acknowledge that Templars (especially melee DPS Templars) are fundamentally broken. But, still, thanks all the same.

Melee DPS is broke period. And the set bonuses to support melee or weapon skills are also broken. Example, hundings rage, claims to 19% extra weapon damage on weapon skills. Gives 2 or 3 more damage...not %, damage. As in carve goes from 198 damage per hit to 200 damage. Really 124 damage weapon, and 19% = 2 damage? All melee is broke regardless of class.

At least other classes have some useful skills in their class trees though.

Have not played around with a templar yet, I only remember that during the first month of the game, almost every bot I came across was a templar. Unfortunately it would not surprise me if ninja nerfs were put in more because of bots than players. One of the biggest reasons why I have not voted is all the bugs still present, the other is that I have yet to play a templar.

Lyall84

james_vestbergb16_ESO wrote: »

Hexanon wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

Anyone voting for DK shows how extremely useless these polls are

Maybe not: They may be thinking about a specific build. A DK in anything other than a dress is not OP.

Spot on, but ppl Think its more fun to just say DK's are OP. It's the latest "cool" thing to say.

Plenty of heavy armor DKs in sword and board rocking entire groups of 8 to 12 in pvp. The dress and the stick just add to the frustration.

Lyall84

Orchish wrote: »

I die less to Templars than any other class. I have been smashed by DK's, i have been smashed by sorcerers. I even get smashed by Nightblades who know what they are doing. They can be absolutely deadly if they catch you from stealth.

Templars just feel average, maybe it's because there are less of them around in Cyrodiil? I vote Templar.

Only time I smash people on my night blade is with my bow. That is because we have some pretty complimentary skills for a sniper build. Just means I die when they get to close. I have yet to try the dress and staff, because that is against my desired play style, and I don't have the spare skills to try it with out resetting. Use the dress and staff on my sorcerer, and it seems like easy mode.

dodgehopper_ESO

Mortosk wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

Explain your choice below.

Wow, 100 votes for Templar. I'm kinda surprised 100 templars still play this game. Perhaps some of them are just reading the forums and already unsubbed though.

Only because I finally caved and went full cloth with staff/staff. It makes me sick, but it had to be done or I was going to smash my keyboard.

I often feel this way. The fact that there is no acknowledgement of Templar weakness by the devs makes it worse though. I often ask myself how could they be this blind as to not know we are the weakest class. But, perhaps they can only handle 1 thing at a time, and for some reason they chose to work on night blades first. It would go a long way if they would at least give us some hope that things might be improving in the future.

I think it is because there are so many things functionally wrong with Templar, and they have no idea how to fix it. Virtually everything a Templar does, everyone else can do better. The heals cost more, give nice burst, but the class itself is terrible for sucking down magicka, thereby making it an ok healer. It gets worse from there. As a dps, all you get is a weak snare (slowdown effect), a singular cc/weak aoe dps (blazing spear) that is easily outdone by almost any other classes aoe, some highly situational powers that most difficult boss type enemies completely ignore, and a Tank line that doesn't know what it wants to be. The Sun Shield is ridiculously bad, on all kind of levels, it takes away all magic recovery, costs a lot of magic, does a minor bit of damage, and its temporary health boost is laughably awful... but hey it lasts six seconds. I mean, why give the final tank skill in the tank tree anything even remotely as good as Bound Armor or Spike Armor, or Dragon Blood. No you wouldn't want to do that.

Templar really just needs such a major overhaul that I think the devs just don't know what to do about it. Its got great style, people love it for that... but wow badly designed.

Cody

Templar

Templars seem like they are the most UP IMO. All they can really "do" ATM, is heal. iv seen some Templars try to be tanks and DPS, and its just not very good compared to the other classes:/

someuser

Nightblade

I play three toons (Nightblade, Templar, and a Sorcerer). Under lvl 50, I can destroy mobs with my Sorcerer and Templar... Though hands down the Sorcerer is more effective.

My Nightblade is another story. While he does have some great single target damage abilities and while he does have a lot of utility.... He is HORRIBLE at dealing with mobs (w/o using ultimates). I usually need to plan out fights with higher lvl mobs of 3 or more where as my Sorcerer and Templar just wipe the floors with their arses.

I'm sure you can augment the Nightblade's primary skills with the mage guild, fight guild, and maybe even a vamp... But just comparing the class's main skills, Nightblade comes in last IMO.

Lkory

Templar

Voted templar as we are really stuck in healing tree...even if our healing tree is mostly specific situations spells, or spells that cost more and are less efficient than the resto staff tree. Yes we got a nice healing ultimate but i could use it using a 2hander and healing the melee group and using Focus Rune to protect them.

I am sure they are a lot possibilities for every class as long as this community stop being jerks about min/maxing. I don't want this game to become wow where most class trees are useless.

Lkory

Templar

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

Alphashado wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

Explain your choice below.

Wow, 100 votes for Templar. I'm kinda surprised 100 templars still play this game. Perhaps some of them are just reading the forums and already unsubbed though.

Only because I finally caved and went full cloth with staff/staff. It makes me sick, but it had to be done or I was going to smash my keyboard.

I often feel this way. The fact that there is no acknowledgement of Templar weakness by the devs makes it worse though. I often ask myself how could they be this blind as to not know we are the weakest class. But, perhaps they can only handle 1 thing at a time, and for some reason they chose to work on night blades first. It would go a long way if they would at least give us some hope that things might be improving in the future.

I think it is because there are so many things functionally wrong with Templar, and they have no idea how to fix it. Virtually everything a Templar does, everyone else can do better. The heals cost more, give nice burst, but the class itself is terrible for sucking down magicka, thereby making it an ok healer. It gets worse from there. As a dps, all you get is a weak snare (slowdown effect), a singular cc/weak aoe dps (blazing spear) that is easily outdone by almost any other classes aoe, some highly situational powers that most difficult boss type enemies completely ignore, and a Tank line that doesn't know what it wants to be. The Sun Shield is ridiculously bad, on all kind of levels, it takes away all magic recovery, costs a lot of magic, does a minor bit of damage, and its temporary health boost is laughably awful... but hey it lasts six seconds. I mean, why give the final tank skill in the tank tree anything even remotely as good as Bound Armor or Spike Armor, or Dragon Blood. No you wouldn't want to do that.

Templar really just needs such a major overhaul that I think the devs just don't know what to do about it. Its got great style, people love it for that... but wow badly designed.

Temps are misunderstood, we are a jack-of-all-trades, we do every thing well but nothing great. A temp could use 2 bow abilities, 2 healing from their class line and lets say annulment and do a dps/healer but the mmo community is not use to this and rejects the idea that we aren't the best at what we do.

We are versatile. I like it personally and i am scarred how ZOS will deal with us. All this because of the community and the unwarranted elitism.

Soloeus

Sorcerer

I am leaning on Sorcerer.

Sorcerer has 3 abilities of any real value. Impulse, Crystal Fragments, Bolt Escape. That is the sum of a Sorcerer.

There are other abilities to use like Power Surge and Dark Conversion; but these aren't used for "Oh, now to use this one..." They are used only to "power up" or support the Crystal Fragments, Impulse and Bolt Escaping.

The other abilities that Sorcerers really use a whole lot are Inner Light and Volcanic Rune which aren't even class abilities. Many of the class abilities are terrible, badly worded and aren't really supported by other good abilities.

This not to say "Sorcerers are weak".

Rather to say "Sorcerers only have 3 real tricks" and in that sense need to be improved.

Preachan

Templar

Temp seem to have the most problems atm.
I never got it to work right in the veteran levels, still trying to figure out how to make the most of him (for PvP as well)

ForTheRealm

Templar

Soloeus wrote: »

I am leaning on Sorcerer.

Sorcerer has 3 abilities of any real value. Impulse, Crystal Fragments, Bolt Escape. That is the sum of a Sorcerer.

There are other abilities to use like Power Surge and Dark Conversion; but these aren't used for "Oh, now to use this one..." They are used only to "power up" or support the Crystal Fragments, Impulse and Bolt Escaping.

The other abilities that Sorcerers really use a whole lot are Inner Light and Volcanic Rune which aren't even class abilities. Many of the class abilities are terrible, badly worded and aren't really supported by other good abilities.

This not to say "Sorcerers are weak".

Rather to say "Sorcerers only have 3 real tricks" and in that sense need to be improved.

I guess you did not understand the question of the poll.
It is not a poll "how I feel about my char". It is a poll asking "Which class is the most underpowered".
And if you try to say the Sorcerer class (not your char) is the weakest - you are either a troll, low level, or not played other classes at all.

dennis.schmelzleb16_ESO

Templar

Hexanon wrote: »

Zubba wrote: »

Anyone voting for DK shows how extremely useless these polls are

Maybe not: They may be thinking about a specific build. A DK in anything other than a dress is not OP.

Yeah but running around without gear and skills, every class is underpowered.

As soon as a DK puts two skills into his hotbar he`s better than two other classes.

ToRelax

Templar

Templar. But that's only because the DK's have a ridiculous sustain.

Drake81

Templar

I played my Templar always as a DD. Due to 50 i was kinda ok with it. Worked well for me even when others sometimes looked like they were better, i didnt care much.

In the V1 content, pourdly going in with my new V1 gear, feeling on the Top with the MB Kill rigth behind me, i get owned by 2 mobs as i steped first in a open dungeon. Well, that was a downer, but im kinda persistant and so i played and tryed all ways out. Leveling all kind of Weapons, trying all specs i could think of.

Reaching V4, ive given in and playing since then the guild healer, as im realy good at that. Well, its also a way to level vet rankings, but not the way i startet the game and not realy my proffesion. Im just good at this one thing so im doing it as its fun to play with my guild mates.

Now i followed the 24h xp grinding tutorial with a Sorc. Well, i needed a little over 30h (long weekend), killed Molag with lvl36 gear (it was late and my cloth buddy from the guild was already in the bed). So i was going in the open dungeon i got owned first with my templer (still with my lvl36 gear and the 50 healer stick from the main quest!).

I totaly owned them all, made two other dungeons, killed a world boss together with a nother player who refused sleep...

Well what do you know, i have a blast. Dominating the single player vetran content as far as i see. Its so much easyer to play.

Sadly, a let down is, im still playing healer in the closed encounters, as we have enough DDs and as i also said, im a pretty good healer. -.-


Best regards,

Drake

Soloeus

Sorcerer

With exception of Impulse, Bolt Escape and Crystal Shards, the class is weak. Remove those 3 abilities and you have NOTHING.

You don't have to like my answer OP.

ForTheRealm

Templar

Soloeus wrote: »

With exception of Impulse, Bolt Escape and Crystal Shards, the class is weak. Remove those 3 abilities and you have NOTHING.

You don't have to like my answer OP.

Are you really saying that Sorceror is a weaker class than Templar nowadays?!

ps. There are some other valuable and useful abilities Sorcer has, e.g. Critical Surge, Dark Conversion, Mages Fury, Overload you forgot to mention... I am using them on my alt.

Ralph_Damiani

Templar

Lol, people are seriously voting DK's and Sorcs? I get it you're unhappy with the nerfs, but the question is who is the MOST underpowered. You can't seriously think you're the worst class overall. The question is NOT who is the most underpowered using specific builds.

LadyDestiny

LOL couldn't vote. With all the nerfs, I would say all of them at this point.

dodgehopper_ESO

The idea that Sorcs only have 3 good abilities is ridiculous. They have THE best crowd control in the game, which you can then drop wonderful lightning damage down on. Why didn't you mention that? How about Bound Armor for tanking? How about Curse for burst? How about mages fury? Seriously, do you even know the sorcerer class? Sorceror is full of epic win.

I voted Templar as underperforming but it does have some great abilities. I just don't think it set out what it intended to do at all, and I think that might be in large part because of the Magicka nerf they put on it. Additionally, situational abilities, high magic costs, and very short damage numbers and power durations really don't bode well for the class. As an aside, some of those situational powers don't even work against a lot of mobs because they are 'too strong'. So that means my curse-like power in the Templar line that reflects spells back on a singular target and then explodes... it won't explode because I can't even target the mob with it. Stupid. For goodness sake look at the raw numbers on the abilities, look at how they function. It doesn't take a genius to figure it out, even without playing the game.

kitsinni

Nightblade

I voted nb even though templar might be a bit lower in dps. Templar can be a much stronger healer and a better tank than nb so they still have a bit more utility.

crislevin

Sorcerer

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

The idea that Sorcs only have 3 good abilities is ridiculous. They have THE best crowd control in the game, which you can then drop wonderful lightning damage down on. Why didn't you mention that? How about Bound Armor for tanking? How about Curse for burst? How about mages fury? Seriously, do you even know the sorcerer class? Sorceror is full of epic win.

best cc? and whats the name of that wonderful skill?

bound armor reduces magicka by 10%. serious, which class doesn't have buff to push armour into orange at the end game? its not that fabulous, its pathetic a sorc has to sacrifice 10% of magicka for that.

curse? do you know only one curse can exist? in large battle, its hard to count how many times curse canceled each other from one or more sorcs, its ridiculously unreliable due to that. Make it stack, even if with diminishing return, now we can live with it.

mage fury doesn't do a jack until enemy health drop to 20%, get into any pvp and see how useful it is.