Which class is the most underpowered?

SFBryan18

Sorcerer

Because I said so...

TheGrandAlliance

Nightblade

Zubba wrote: »

Anyone voting for DK shows how extremely useless these polls are

Correction: Anyone not voting for "NB".

moXrox

Mortosk wrote: »

moXrox wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

This poll basically sums up exactly how most players are misunderstanding the class system. If you don't post weapon/armor types with the class, then the poll is useless.

Best post so far.

No, your wrong, and the poll is accurate. Templars really are the most under powered. Regardless of what weapon/build they use.

Here's a list of builds from least powerful to most powerful:

Melee DPS 2H Templar
Melee DPS 1/h Shield Templar
Ranged DPS Bow Templar
Destruction Staff Templar
Healing Staff Templar
...
...
Justin Bieber
Cute Fuzzy Kittens
My 93 year old great grandma in a wheel chair
My Little Pony with 3 broken legs
...
...
Nightblade
Sorceror
DK

By the way Templar with 2H/Bow can solo group content in craglorn, I did post a video.

phaneub17_ESO

Templar

No point in being a powerful healer if you have no sustainability, other classes have magicka regen or returns, Templars do not. It's more reliable to have some form of magicka recovery than having stronger burst healing in the long run, which we don't have. We have only two power attacks, Solar Flare which is a weaker damage version of Crystal Shard minus the awesome knockdown with a slightly longer cast time; and Puncturing Strikes which is a channeled, melee attack. All other attack spells do supplemental damage, you can't kill anything using them without having the first two.

Stamden

Dragonknight

Best overall classes with reasons:

1. Sorc
+1.1k ranged ST DPS (higher then most melee)
+Best PvP class (best range + best escape)
Combination of best PvP, and best PvE makes them the superior class at endgame.

2. Nightblade
+1.3k-1.4k melee ST DPS
+Second best PvP class (great damage out of stealth + good escape)
-Worst leveling class
Another solid class for endgame content, considering they are the best for Trials when built right, and still decent in PvP

3. Dragonknight
-900-1k melee ST DPS
-Worst at PvP (no ranged skills + no escape)
+Rolls through all leveling content and trash
-Popular opinion thinks class is OP, so more nerfs incoming..
Lowest DPS, bad at most situations in PvP (only good when going against kids that don't know how to roll out of standard), only good things going for it have got nerfed or will.

Templars aren't a class. Sorcs better at healing, few offensive skills, low DPS. They are actually the prefered tank for Trials, but that is way to specific.


Feel free to ask in detail about anything, but all of the above is the truth and this is coming from a player that has 4m AP and is on the 2nd place time for Trials.

Mortosk

Templar

moXrox wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

moXrox wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

This poll basically sums up exactly how most players are misunderstanding the class system. If you don't post weapon/armor types with the class, then the poll is useless.

Best post so far.

No, your wrong, and the poll is accurate. Templars really are the most under powered. Regardless of what weapon/build they use.

Here's a list of builds from least powerful to most powerful:

Melee DPS 2H Templar
Melee DPS 1/h Shield Templar
Ranged DPS Bow Templar
Destruction Staff Templar
Healing Staff Templar
...
...
Justin Bieber
Cute Fuzzy Kittens
My 93 year old great grandma in a wheel chair
My Little Pony with 3 broken legs
...
...
Nightblade
Sorceror
DK

By the way Templar with 2H/Bow can solo group content in craglorn, I did post a video.

Ya, that was impressive, but you did drop pretty low on most fights, and took you quite a long time to kill that boss. Wouldn't it be nice if you were a Sorceror or DK and didn't have to play perfectly without the slightest mistake or be insta-ganked? And, you'd kill stuff a lot faster as well.

But, grats on figuring out a way to do the impossible.

Loco_Mofo

Templar

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

Best overall classes with reasons:

1. Sorc
+1.1k ranged ST DPS (higher then most melee)
+Best PvP class (best range + best escape)
Combination of best PvP, and best PvE makes them the superior class at endgame.

2. Nightblade
+1.3k-1.4k melee ST DPS
+Second best PvP class (great damage out of stealth + good escape)
-Worst leveling class
Another solid class for endgame content, considering they are the best for Trials when built right, and still decent in PvP

3. Dragonknight
-900-1k melee ST DPS
-Worst at PvP (no ranged skills + no escape)
+Rolls through all leveling content and trash
-Popular opinion thinks class is OP, so more nerfs incoming..
Lowest DPS, bad at most situations in PvP (only good when going against kids that don't know how to roll out of standard), only good things going for it have got nerfed or will.

Templars aren't a class. Sorcs better at healing, few offensive skills, low DPS. They are actually the prefered tank for Trials, but that is way to specific.


Feel free to ask in detail about anything, but all of the above is the truth and this is coming from a player that has 4m AP and is on the 2nd place time for Trials.

Honest question.

What NB build is reaching 1.3k-1.4k DPS in trials?

I assume light armor/resto staff, max magicka/spell crit with the following bar:

Funnel Health | Impale | Crippling Grasp | Inner Light | Syphoning Attacks | Veil of Blades

Or something similar?

Heraclea

Classes aren't the big issue, although one thing seems bloody obvious but may still need to be said: no class is overpowered.

Heavy armor ought to give three times the toughness that light armor does; and it doesn't. Melee sustained damage needs to be brought up to the level of magicka damage. Melee weapon damage needs to be better than ranged damage, and better than class spell damage, because it's melee.

Stamden

Dragonknight

Loco_Mofo wrote: »

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

Best overall classes with reasons:

1. Sorc
+1.1k ranged ST DPS (higher then most melee)
+Best PvP class (best range + best escape)
Combination of best PvP, and best PvE makes them the superior class at endgame.

2. Nightblade
+1.3k-1.4k melee ST DPS
+Second best PvP class (great damage out of stealth + good escape)
-Worst leveling class
Another solid class for endgame content, considering they are the best for Trials when built right, and still decent in PvP

3. Dragonknight
-900-1k melee ST DPS
-Worst at PvP (no ranged skills + no escape)
+Rolls through all leveling content and trash
-Popular opinion thinks class is OP, so more nerfs incoming..
Lowest DPS, bad at most situations in PvP (only good when going against kids that don't know how to roll out of standard), only good things going for it have got nerfed or will.

Templars aren't a class. Sorcs better at healing, few offensive skills, low DPS. They are actually the prefered tank for Trials, but that is way to specific.


Feel free to ask in detail about anything, but all of the above is the truth and this is coming from a player that has 4m AP and is on the 2nd place time for Trials.

Honest question.

What NB build is reaching 1.3k-1.4k DPS in trials?

I assume light armor/resto staff, max magicka/spell crit with the following bar:

Funnel Health | Impale | Crippling Grasp | Inner Light | Syphoning Attacks | Veil of Blades

Or something similar?

Relatively similar. You just need to make sure your weaving auto attacks with siphoning, catalyst passive, medicinal use passive, and for overkill, argonian. This will make it so you basically have infinite resources, and you can imagine from there how easy it would be to get loads of DPS.

indytims_ESO

Nightblade

Seeing people actually vote Sorc or DK on this poll gives me the giggles, and makes me wonder if there really is any hope for mankind.

Alphashado

Templar

Mortosk wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

Explain your choice below.

Wow, 100 votes for Templar. I'm kinda surprised 100 templars still play this game. Perhaps some of them are just reading the forums and already unsubbed though.

Only because I finally caved and went full cloth with staff/staff. It makes me sick, but it had to be done or I was going to smash my keyboard.

Sakiri

They forgot "melee anything."

Loco_Mofo

Templar

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

Relatively similar. You just need to make sure your weaving auto attacks with siphoning, catalyst passive, medicinal use passive, and for overkill, argonian. This will make it so you basically have infinite resources, and you can imagine from there how easy it would be to get loads of DPS.

Yeah I'm still kicking myself for not going the Argonian route on my NB.

Thanks for the info.

Mortosk

Templar

Alphashado wrote: »

Mortosk wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

Explain your choice below.

Wow, 100 votes for Templar. I'm kinda surprised 100 templars still play this game. Perhaps some of them are just reading the forums and already unsubbed though.

Only because I finally caved and went full cloth with staff/staff. It makes me sick, but it had to be done or I was going to smash my keyboard.

I often feel this way. The fact that there is no acknowledgement of Templar weakness by the devs makes it worse though. I often ask myself how could they be this blind as to not know we are the weakest class. But, perhaps they can only handle 1 thing at a time, and for some reason they chose to work on night blades first. It would go a long way if they would at least give us some hope that things might be improving in the future.

orablast

I'm not voting, because I have only played NB Bow & DW to veteran rank.
I'd like to see NB CC spells get a buff or magic cost reduced.

-Agony cast time should be reduced or allow us to cast it on multiple targets at the same time.
-Fear needs to be stabilized, it feels really hit or miss and not reliable. It should last a bit longer or the spell cost reduced.

Chryos

Nightblade

I voted Nightblade simply because I can always use more power.

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Dragonknight

Daethz wrote: »

jeradlub17_ESO wrote: »

LOl anyone voting DK is a flat out liar OR has zero skill at playing one and should roll something more their style. On my DK I just look at the keyboard and stuff dies.

Edit: Just wanted to note haven't gotten to try Temp yet but my guildies seem just fine. They can massively self heal and shouldn't be doing Sorc/NB dps.

Nope, any class + destro staff = look at keyboard and stuff dies.
Any class + stamina weapon = looks at keyboard and your character dies and you spend all your gold on repair bills.

Ya that guy was clearly a dress and stick user.

khele23eb17_ESO

Nightblade

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

2. Nightblade
+1.3k-1.4k melee ST DPS

Now thats something id like to see.

NerfEverything

Templar

Templars have been the most underpowered since beta. Meanwhile Zen is sitting their with their fingers in their ears hoping all the templars quit and the problem goes away.

Sighlynce

Templar

Definitely the Templar , saw one die while crossing a road as another player was galloping by on a horse.... Never saw it coming . Tried to warn her but there was no emote available ... ! My main is a Templar and a lot of her skills get the 'this whatever is too powerful for this (skill used)'. It would be nice to actually do some major damage and not run out of magicka after using one or two skills. Plus soul gems are kinda expensive at the 50+ levels !!

Sighlynce

Templar

Alphashado ✭✭✭✭
12:31AM
Templar
Mortosk wrote: »
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Wow, 100 votes for Templar. I'm kinda surprised 100 templars still play this game. Perhaps some of them are just reading the forums and already unsubbed though.

Only because I finally caved and went full cloth with staff/staff. It makes me sick, but it had to be done or I was going to smash my keyboard.

Completely agree Alphashado. I had to go full cloth and staff as well. I really like the med armor but need all the help i can get so have to use light for any mag. bumps i can get from skill pts. Thing is I actually like my build and the skill lines available for the Templar, I just need them to work .

Asawasa

Nightblade

Nightblade because it is

NerfEverything

Templar

Anyone voting for nightblade...sorry but I gotta say it...L2P. NBs can be extremely powerful when played certain ways. Check out the guild with top trial times. They use NB extensively and a bunch of their players are actually re-rolling as NBs because they are so powerful. Read for yourself:
http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/27vlu5/alacrity_qa_time_for_the_community/

Belitseri

Templar

I really wanted to put Sorceror... honestly, I just don't understand it. When I play my Sorc, the game EXPECTS me to actually touch the buttons on my kb to cast stuff. What is this nonsense? It's a Sorc. Why do I have to manually make it kill things? (teehee jk) Actually, my Templar is quite adequate when played in the play style I did not want to play with her, she just needs better mana cost and maybe some actual damage with melee weapons.

aggie.latinob14_ESO

Templar

I have to go with Templar... I'm just not having fun anymore with the build. I mean they have great heals and as a heavy 2h/sword and board templar, I find myself having a very very very hard time killing in pvp.

I will be close to taking stuff out but as soon as I run out of stamina and magica, I'm basically a sitting duck who just waits there for their demise. Meanwhile my opponent will get to full health and still have plenty of magica/stamina reserves to finish me off with some cc.

Stamina based builds are already weak... Combining it with my Templar build with lack of any viable aoe or focused dps abilities make it incredibly challenging.

I'm finding myself slotting other skills like volcanic rune than most templar abilities.

And no... I am not caving and going destro/restro staff build... I just want my holy warrior build to work...

I since have started working on lvling a sorc and am fighting it incredibly easier going through 1-50 in comparison with my templar. Even world bosses are soloable, its quite nice.

Gedalya

I've played Sorcerer mainly although I have other alts as other classes and I've never noted a problem.

Lyall84

I am voting for none are underpowered. But there are broken classes. Night Blades for example, right now they are underpowered but that is because a lot of their abilities do not work the same way the tool tips read. The bugs need to worked out and fixed and see how the classes play when fixed before we start looking at underpowered.

Dragon Knights on the other hand...saw a video of one doing a trial...solo...so any one that wants to claim DK is the weak link needs to delete their DK and reroll another class. Something tells me they would not even make VR 1 before going back to a brand new DK and leveling that from ground zero.

Lyall84

NerfEverything wrote: »

Anyone voting for nightblade...sorry but I gotta say it...L2P. NBs can be extremely powerful when played certain ways. Check out the guild with top trial times. They use NB extensively and a bunch of their players are actually re-rolling as NBs because they are so powerful. Read for yourself:
http://www.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/27vlu5/alacrity_qa_time_for_the_community/

You said it right there...in certain ways. As a Night Blade, I should be able to play a sneak thief and still be able play. Linking a thread that shows that staff wielding night blades are powerful is just pointing out the broken power of staves not that Night Blades are over powered.

Personally, they need to fix at least 95% of the bugs for all classes prior to trying and have a good discussion about which is weaker.

Lyall84

deathpandax_ESO wrote: »

Best overall classes with reasons:

1. Sorc
+1.1k ranged ST DPS (higher then most melee)
+Best PvP class (best range + best escape)
Combination of best PvP, and best PvE makes them the superior class at endgame.

2. Nightblade
+1.3k-1.4k melee ST DPS
+Second best PvP class (great damage out of stealth + good escape)
-Worst leveling class
Another solid class for endgame content, considering they are the best for Trials when built right, and still decent in PvP

3. Dragonknight
-900-1k melee ST DPS
-Worst at PvP (no ranged skills + no escape)
+Rolls through all leveling content and trash
-Popular opinion thinks class is OP, so more nerfs incoming..
Lowest DPS, bad at most situations in PvP (only good when going against kids that don't know how to roll out of standard), only good things going for it have got nerfed or will.

Templars aren't a class. Sorcs better at healing, few offensive skills, low DPS. They are actually the prefered tank for Trials, but that is way to specific.


Feel free to ask in detail about anything, but all of the above is the truth and this is coming from a player that has 4m AP and is on the 2nd place time for Trials.

You clearly never played a night blade and need to re-evaluate your DK pvp markings.

Night blades have a nice invisibility escape? 2.5 seconds and wait for it... it is broken by most debuffs, any incomming damage (direct, aoe or dot) and any out going damage including our own dots. Dragon Knights do not have an escape right? With that 30% heal (dragon blood or w/e) why would you need one. Night Blade escape lasts for at most 2.9 seconds with passives. Dragon Knights get to keep the health healed.

Now for the PvP...you do realize that between talons, inhale and banner...DKs are one of the most brutal sources of aoe cc and damage? I cannot count the number of times I have seen a DK jump onto a flag or a hole in a wall full of enemies, talon, banner, then just talon/inhale spam until entire groups are wiped off the face of the earth. It has helped, or hurt if you play a DK, when they put a 3 target limit on inhale. Before that, DKs were literally unable to be killed with that rotation.

So anything about all of the above being truth is suspect because you have clearly not done any extensive pvp if you think DKs are the worst. On my battle group, we have a 2 or 3 time DK (not on my faction unfortunately) emperor that has held the crown for 11 to 12 days in his current reign and has millions, yes millions of points more than #2. He got there by wiping groups in the situation I outlined in my post.

Do not get me wrong. I am all for balanced, but I dont see any videos of any other class than DKs doing trials solo. So saying that DKs are the underpowered class is literally laughable.

Lyall84

Mortosk wrote: »

david271749 wrote: »

Explain your choice below.

I just wanted to tearfully thank you for this poll. I am still under no illusion that the devs will notice it or acknowledge that Templars (especially melee DPS Templars) are fundamentally broken. But, still, thanks all the same.

Melee DPS is broke period. And the set bonuses to support melee or weapon skills are also broken. Example, hundings rage, claims to 19% extra weapon damage on weapon skills. Gives 2 or 3 more damage...not %, damage. As in carve goes from 198 damage per hit to 200 damage. Really 124 damage weapon, and 19% = 2 damage? All melee is broke regardless of class.

EDIT: Hunding's Rage does nothing, that 2 or 3 more damage was from the stamina enchant on my gear.

It does not buff any weapon abilities. It should, it even says it does, but it does not. The 5 set is currently broken at the moment.

I would hope ZOS is aware of the issue already but if not, here is an explanation. I crafted new sets to make sure my numbers are exact and the controls are not messed with.

Bottom line: the 5 set reads (at VR 9 white quality) "Increases weapon damage by 18% when using weapon abilities". This reads to me that it increases the weapon abilities damage by 18% of the weapon's portion of the damage.

Base Damage:

Completely ungeared (ie naked) my Executioner IV (two handed morph) deals 81 damage.

Gear: All gear listed is white, with no enchantments or traits, unless otherwise listed.

Level 13 vendor bought great sword (Green) = 40 damage.

VR9 crafted great sword = 134 damage.

VR9 crafted medium hunding's rage set (5 pieces) = 18% increase.

Test:
Naked with green level 13 sword, Executioner does 106 damage. So far it can be noted that a about 62% of the weapon's damage is added to the skill's damage.

Naked with white VR9 sword, Executioner does 166 damage. It appears that this weapon added about 63% of the weapon's damage to the skill's damage. Pretty consistent.

5 Piece Hunding's Rage set equipped with green level 13 sword. Executioner tool tip still displays 106 damage. It appears that the set has 0 effect. Set is broken and useless. Should be around 110 damage if you count the set as only increasing the weapons portion of the effect. Would be around 125 if the set counted to the ability as a whole.

5 Piece Hunding's Rage set equipped with white VR9 sword. Executioner tool tip still displays 166 damage. It appears that the set has 0 effect. Set is broken and useless. Should be around 180 damage if you count the set as only increasing the weapons portion of the effect. Would be around 195 if the set counted to the ability as a whole.

Conclusion: a crafted 6 trait requirement, 5 set bonus, that can do nothing but help any type of weapon skill or stamina build, is 100% useless.