I play a NB but I'd really have to give it to Templar.

sh4d0wh4z3 wrote: »

Veteran content is what breaks classes on their own. If Veteran content was decreased in difficulty to where its about 2x or so harder that level 50 coldharbour and not 20x harder, it would work into everybodies favour to where people will enjoy it and not hate it for the difficulty. That, or atleast make armour more effective.

So much this.

With 17 points in health and solid armor on my NB, at VR3, mobs do between 10% and 20% of my max hp with basic attacks. Groups of 3 I have to prepare for like a boss fight, and there's FAR too many of those for it to be anything even resembling fun. My options are:
a) turn my NB into a tank
b) go vampire
c) turn my NB into a healer
d) reroll DK or Sorc
or I guess
e) accept I'm not having fun and keep playing anyway.

"Which class is the most underpowered?"
GM because they can't even log in to the game!

Why is there no 5th option that says "Classes are Balanced"?

This is the problem with these threads. Everyone thinks they are underpowered. "There no way things are fair. I died because that guys OP."

I have to go with Templar just because it's the only class of which I haven't seen video of them absolutely dominating with Staff and Light Armor.

I totally voted for my own class so I don't get nerfed.

I'm very torn here between templar and nightblade. Those are the two classes I play (I refuse to create a dragonknight or sorceror at this point, and honestly dont find either class fun).

My templar felt exceptionally weak when I was using a heavy armor / 2handed maul paladin setup. He had no magicka for healing/support, he did meager damage and terrible AoE damage, the heavy armor didnt feel like it provided any benefit at all when it came to survivability or damage output, the character generally felt slow, clunky, and ineffective.

I swapped him to a 5 light / 2 heavy, resto-staff-wielding caster/healer build, though, and diverted my attributes to magicka instead of stamina, and since then I'm doing a lot better. He feels powerful now - though I can definitely tell he's not as powerful as a sorceror when it comes to soloing speed (they 1 or 2 shot enemies that take me 3-4 casts, and they never have to worry about taking damage with the pets tanking, plus their aoe is better).

When healing my templar feels pretty much spot on with where his class balance should be, with one exception: magicka regen just isnt there. I have no abilities to rely on for returning magicka to myself, so in those bad situations where the dung hits the windmill and my group is taking a massive amount of damage, I quickly deplete my resources trying to keep everyone alive.

When DPSing in groups, I also feel the magicka issue, though it isnt as much a problem as it is when healing. Primarily the low point for my DPS is the lack of any real AoE abilities for the class - my reflective light only hits 3 targets, spear shards is very weak, so all i'm really left with is biting jabs which is only decent when targets are low on health as an aoe execute.


So in my opinion:
Melee/Stamina Templar is exceptionally weak, and needs major improvements (as does every melee or stamina based build in the game).
Ranged DPS/caster Templar needs better AoE options, and better magicka management.
Healer Templar needs better magicka management.





Then the nightblade, which was my main up until recently (when I diverted the majority of my gametime into my templar character). I've tried every melee weapon and even the bow on my nightblade, I refuse to use a staff of any type on him. He uses all medium armor.
Originally I had used 2handed weapons on my nightblade - the single target burst was pretty nice, but AoE situations left me absolutely useless. Soloing was ok on trash but very difficult when fighting 3+ mobs, healers, casters, or bosses.
I tried out the shield then, back when bash was good and everyone was praising it for being overpowered. Honestly I didnt feel it, even with deadly bash my damage output was crap.
Then I tried out a bow, which was ok but felt exceptionally clunky to me and not really any more effective than the 2hander was.

Now I'm using dual wield, which I really like as far as theme/feel and the options available in combat - I can use ember explosion for aoe damage/debuffing, I can use steel tornado for aoe damage/execute, I can use rapid strikes and blood craze for single target damage, shrouded daggers for an aoe damage/snare, so on and so forth. Dual wield also seems to fit the class abilities of the nightblade better, even if it's only visually speaking.

That said, as with all stamina builds, the character feels distinctly underpowered compared to players using magicka/caster builds. I see sorcerors or dragonknights plowing through content with a destro staff, while I'm struggling to take out groups of enemies, and having to rely on exceptional planning and no small amount of luck to get through those groups without dying.

I love how the nightblade plays, but so many of the abilities either dont work as described in their tooltips, have a major amount of lag or misfires with their activation, dont crit like their supposed to, so on and so forth that I really have a hard time sticking with the character - and that's why I'm playing my templar more often now.

I've been tanking on my nightblade for the last few weeks, and it's really fun, but I can easily see where other classes (especially dk and sorc) are better tanks overall. I have no aoe immobilize (sorcs have encase, dk's have talons). I have no damage shields (sorcs have conjured ward, dk's have obsidian shield). I have no reliable self-buffs for armor or resistance (sorcs have bound armor, dk's have spiked armor). My only method of moving around quickly is an area-cast spell (twisting paths) that increases move speed for me by 50%, while sorcs can use bolt escape. My self-heals are unreliable and return over a long period of time, while DK's have a spammable heal via dragon blood and sorcs can get massive health returns on surge.

With all that said, I still have fun tanking on my nightblade, I just wish it was more effective.



So in my opinion:
Melee/Stamina Nightblades are, like all stamina focused builds, very weak right now. This isnt so much a class issue as a massive imbalance in stamina vs magicka, however.
DPS nightblades lack any AOE options.
Tanking nightblades are severely lacking in self healing, crowd control, and defensive abilities.

I don't play a Templar or Nightblade but when ever i've grouped DW/Bow Nightblade in a veteran dungeon it's been a pretty poor experience.
Perhaps they've all been bad players but whenever one of the DPS is a NB it slows down the entire run or makes them down right difficult beacuse there's a lack of damage.
This evening my PUG group was struggeling with Spindelclutch and couldn't get past the second boss, the NB rage quit and we replaced him with a sorc and completed the entire dungeon without a single wipe.

I don't wanto be "that guy", but it's gotten to the point where if i don't even wanto group with DW/Bow Nightblades anymore, since groups are so small everyone else just ends up picking up their slack and any boss that revolves around aoeing adds becomes a chore or in the worst case,impossible.
Thinking it might be more of a weapon skill issue but god damned that playstyle needs attention.

Honestly, as a Nightblade in a dungeon scenario, I've found the most success in exploiting my inclinations toward single target DPS by circling the outskirts of the various fights picking off the the ranged mobs quickly and efficiently.

I'm not sure how other Nightblades play in groups, but it's been really successful for me and I've even received the odd appreciative comment from tanks and healers.

Voted Templar but really don't think any class is under powered.

I think the problem may well be under powering at the other end

Obscure wrote: »

Really just needs some tweaks in the Nightblade department, but I've seen builds from each class solo 4 man Craglorn dungeons. If you think your class is underpowered, try a build that doesn't suck.

Sure you're well within your rights to play as you want. But you don't have the right to expect that to be viable in ESO's current light armor + staff = win meta game. Build for powerful and you'll be powerful. Build for whatever you want and there are no garuntees.

Really? You've seen a Templar do it?
Care to share a link?

david271749 wrote: »

Explain your choice below.

I just wanted to tearfully thank you for this poll. I am still under no illusion that the devs will notice it or acknowledge that Templars (especially melee DPS Templars) are fundamentally broken. But, still, thanks all the same.

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

This poll basically sums up exactly how most players are misunderstanding the class system. If you don't post weapon/armor types with the class, then the poll is useless.

Best post so far.

I'm uncertain between nb and templar, but at least templar can get invited in trials groups, with nb is just impossibile, always ppl spam for sorcerers and they QQ about bolt escape, wtf.