badmojo wrote: »

. I feel those game mirror the actual inventory management we do in real life when we go somewhere needing supplies. I feel like any similarities to real life are usually(USUALLY!) a good thing in video games like this that try for immersion.

People in real life rent storage units when they run out of space at their homes or businesses. Either that or they build sheds in their back yards. Yes, in real life, people run out of space.

Easiest solution in the world is to mark maps, trophies, pets, fish, and the like as quest items.

Enchanting - 5 Aspects + 18 Essence + 2 Potency = 25 Bank slot minimum (VR10-12 only)
Provisioning - 6 slots (two food types)
Quest Items - 20 slots. I seriously keep all the unique trinkets you get like the bear trap, do I need to? nope. but I'd like to.
Alchemy - 1 stack of each type including water = 19 slots
Crafting - 30 slots just for Traits/Styles + 16 slots for 1 stack of base mats and upgrade mats = 46 slots

Total = 116 slots

This is a very minimalistic swag at my inventory. This does not include stacks or items I sell for profit, gear choices, potions, or anything else. I currently carry around on my NB two DPS sets (stam/mag), Tanking Set, a crafting set, and options too! Just my crafted gear takes up 40 slots.

As soon as you start factoring in Gear sets, and whatever else you'd like to keep everything becomes unmanageable.

Player Housing, the Trademark of Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim is exactly what's missing. I would be in tears if at some point ESO did not add this option, but I have faith that at some future date, we'll see exactly that. In the meantime, have fun dealing with the beast of inventory management, max out your cargo horse, get some alt mules, and pray Zenimax comes through with player housing at some point.

I will get flamed for my opinion again, but I am happy with the current system.
I am the guildleader so I manage our guildbank. And since we have it wide open to all members using special rules to be good for us all. Items goes in and out all the time.

I spend about 1 hour when I start to play and something simular before I log off to fix the guild bank (Group items). Well worth it both for the guild and I rather do that then people abusing the dup again.

Zenimax have made a statement that the guild features, including bank and store is going to be looked at.

Cogo wrote: »

I will get flamed for my opinion again, but I am happy with the current system.
I am the guildleader so I manage our guildbank. And since we have it wide open to all members using special rules to be good for us all. Items goes in and out all the time.

I spend about 1 hour when I start to play and something simular before I log off to fix the guild bank (Group items). Well worth it both for the guild and I rather do that then people abusing the dup again.

Zenimax have made a statement that the guild features, including bank and store is going to be looked at.

OK so the current system works for you. I am going to start asking pretty much everyone this, so please don't feel singled out because you are the first!

My question is:

"Will it personally hurt you or your gameplay, if players are allowed an additional 20 slots at start, or if players are allowed a separate inventory/bag for materials?"

Not a whether you think it's generally a good idea or not, but would it affect your personal gameplay negatively.

Epona222 wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

I will get flamed for my opinion again, but I am happy with the current system.
I am the guildleader so I manage our guildbank. And since we have it wide open to all members using special rules to be good for us all. Items goes in and out all the time.

I spend about 1 hour when I start to play and something simular before I log off to fix the guild bank (Group items). Well worth it both for the guild and I rather do that then people abusing the dup again.

Zenimax have made a statement that the guild features, including bank and store is going to be looked at.

OK so the current system works for you. I am going to start asking pretty much everyone this, so please don't feel singled out because you are the first!

My question is:

"Will it personally hurt you or your gameplay, if players are allowed an additional 20 slots at start, or if players are allowed a separate inventory/bag for materials?"

Not a whether you think it's generally a good idea or not, but would it affect your personal gameplay negatively.

It wouldn't affect me at all if they increased storage. However, this logic leads to infinite storage because just because 20 more slots satisfies you, there will always be another player ready to pick up the torch after you are satisfied and keep petitioning for another 20. The cycle never ends. I've seen it in every MMO I've played. With each expansion or new content patch they release bigger bags or more slots for bags. Players are happy with storage for a few days, weeks, or months, but eventually they fill it up again and are back on the forums asking for more.

And even if you had 20 more slots starting out, you would still fill up your inventory and have to do inventory management from time to time. More slots doesn't solve the problem with inventory management, it just delays it. And while you may feel like you are dealing with it less often, the time saved between inventory management sessions isn't time that is gained because when you do perform inventory management it will take more time because you have more things in your inventory to manage.

From a logical standpoint, the solution isn't more storage. Logically, if there are any number of people that the current system works for, then in it is not inherently flawed. A flawed inventory system would work for no one. The problem is there exists a group of players who simply can't or don't want to change their behavior to work within the current system. I don't think this makes them wrong, but it does invalidate many of the reasons people are demanding more storage.

What we need is better storage. Pets, trophies and maps not using the same storage space as crafting materials and usable items is a good start. Increasing the stack size on crafting mats would be another great idea. Another good idea would be doing something to reduce the number of unique crafting materials used in a single tier of each crafting skill, because right now anyone who doesn't have a few backpack/bank upgrades will really struggle if they try to focus on Enchanting or Provisioning because there are many more unique materials to collect than there are for some of the other crafting skills.

It's not that I don't think inventory management is something that could be or needs to be improved. I just don't want to see a quick band-aid fix applied that isn't going to solve the real problem.


It's also important to keep in mind that there are some players who really love inventory systems akin to the old Resident Evil game.

Orizuru wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

I will get flamed for my opinion again, but I am happy with the current system.
I am the guildleader so I manage our guildbank. And since we have it wide open to all members using special rules to be good for us all. Items goes in and out all the time.

I spend about 1 hour when I start to play and something simular before I log off to fix the guild bank (Group items). Well worth it both for the guild and I rather do that then people abusing the dup again.

Zenimax have made a statement that the guild features, including bank and store is going to be looked at.

OK so the current system works for you. I am going to start asking pretty much everyone this, so please don't feel singled out because you are the first!

My question is:

"Will it personally hurt you or your gameplay, if players are allowed an additional 20 slots at start, or if players are allowed a separate inventory/bag for materials?"

Not a whether you think it's generally a good idea or not, but would it affect your personal gameplay negatively.

It wouldn't affect me at all if they increased storage. However, this logic leads to infinite storage because just because 20 more slots satisfies you, there will always be another player ready to pick up the torch after you are satisfied and keep petitioning for another 20. The cycle never ends. I've seen it in every MMO I've played. With each expansion or new content patch they release bigger bags or more slots for bags. Players are happy with storage for a few days, weeks, or months, but eventually they fill it up again and are back on the forums asking for more.

And even if you had 20 more slots starting out, you would still fill up your inventory and have to do inventory management from time to time. More slots doesn't solve the problem with inventory management, it just delays it. And while you may feel like you are dealing with it less often, the time saved between inventory management sessions isn't time that is gained because when you do perform inventory management it will take more time because you have more things in your inventory to manage.

From a logical standpoint, the solution isn't more storage. Logically, if there are any number of people that the current system works for, then in it is not inherently flawed. A flawed inventory system would work for no one. The problem is there exists a group of players who simply can't or don't want to change their behavior to work within the current system. I don't think this makes them wrong, but it does invalidate many of the reasons people are demanding more storage.

What we need is better storage. Pets, trophies and maps not using the same storage space as crafting materials and usable items is a good start. Increasing the stack size on crafting mats would be another great idea. Another good idea would be doing something to reduce the number of unique crafting materials used in a single tier of each crafting skill, because right now anyone who doesn't have a few backpack/bank upgrades will really struggle if they try to focus on Enchanting or Provisioning because there are many more unique materials to collect than there are for some of the other crafting skills.

It's not that I don't think inventory management is something that could be or needs to be improved. I just don't want to see a quick band-aid fix applied that isn't going to solve the real problem.


It's also important to keep in mind that there are some players who really love inventory systems akin to the old Resident Evil game.

Thank you for answering my question, and for your detailed response afterwards, I appreciate your honesty and your thoughts on the matter

I actually agree with you in that there are some things that really just could be dealt with better in terms of storage (and for a lot of players that may well help to alleviate the issues), certainly when I paid £20 extra for the IE, I did not for a moment imagine that I was actually paying to give up a whole load of bank slots! Pets and disguises (once the quest that 'earned' them had been completed) could be dealt with from a separate inventory page to toggle them on and off without using up inventory or bank space, and the CE maps could easily have been quest items rather than taking up storage slots.

I don't agree with absolutely everything you said. perhaps as I have several alts of different levels I have a greater requirement for storage than most (ie. if I have a lvl 20 character and a lvl 5 character, I cannot get rid of all lvl 1-20 food items, because I have need to make food at both levels), but you have made some very good points, and there is plenty there that I have no argument with. Thank you for giving such a detailed response

Sandhya wrote: »

Increased size, no. Reduced cost, no. There really are not enough gold sinks in the game as it is.

Not enough for you maybe. Me, more than enough.

Orizuru wrote: »

Epona222 wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

I will get flamed for my opinion again, but I am happy with the current system.
I am the guildleader so I manage our guildbank. And since we have it wide open to all members using special rules to be good for us all. Items goes in and out all the time.

I spend about 1 hour when I start to play and something simular before I log off to fix the guild bank (Group items). Well worth it both for the guild and I rather do that then people abusing the dup again.

Zenimax have made a statement that the guild features, including bank and store is going to be looked at.

OK so the current system works for you. I am going to start asking pretty much everyone this, so please don't feel singled out because you are the first!

My question is:

"Will it personally hurt you or your gameplay, if players are allowed an additional 20 slots at start, or if players are allowed a separate inventory/bag for materials?"

Not a whether you think it's generally a good idea or not, but would it affect your personal gameplay negatively.

It wouldn't affect me at all if they increased storage. However, this logic leads to infinite storage because just because 20 more slots satisfies you, there will always be another player ready to pick up the torch after you are satisfied and keep petitioning for another 20. The cycle never ends. I've seen it in every MMO I've played. With each expansion or new content patch they release bigger bags or more slots for bags. Players are happy with storage for a few days, weeks, or months, but eventually they fill it up again and are back on the forums asking for more.

And even if you had 20 more slots starting out, you would still fill up your inventory and have to do inventory management from time to time. More slots doesn't solve the problem with inventory management, it just delays it. And while you may feel like you are dealing with it less often, the time saved between inventory management sessions isn't time that is gained because when you do perform inventory management it will take more time because you have more things in your inventory to manage.

From a logical standpoint, the solution isn't more storage. Logically, if there are any number of people that the current system works for, then in it is not inherently flawed. A flawed inventory system would work for no one. The problem is there exists a group of players who simply can't or don't want to change their behavior to work within the current system. I don't think this makes them wrong, but it does invalidate many of the reasons people are demanding more storage.

What we need is better storage. Pets, trophies and maps not using the same storage space as crafting materials and usable items is a good start. Increasing the stack size on crafting mats would be another great idea. Another good idea would be doing something to reduce the number of unique crafting materials used in a single tier of each crafting skill, because right now anyone who doesn't have a few backpack/bank upgrades will really struggle if they try to focus on Enchanting or Provisioning because there are many more unique materials to collect than there are for some of the other crafting skills.

It's not that I don't think inventory management is something that could be or needs to be improved. I just don't want to see a quick band-aid fix applied that isn't going to solve the real problem.


It's also important to keep in mind that there are some players who really love inventory systems akin to the old Resident Evil game.

I could get behind having pets, trophies, maps, disguises not be in the inventory system.

But it is good to have a limit on the amount of space for crafting materials in order to promote interaction between players.
Yes, the current system takes a bit of time and it certainly makes one think about what to keep but I like it as is.

(Speaking as a player with 7 active characters, 6 each doing one craft, and one mule holding disguises, maps, trophies, pets.)

I have a halfway upgraded prsonal bank and I am perfectly fine. Just about to max out my first three professions, when that's done, will start working on the others. And I am v6. There is nothing wrong with bank and inventory space. Your character already has a "bag" which is invisible and can carry 60 swords, 30 cuirasses and 20 daedra husk. This is already a bit stupid. If anything, there should be less space. Make decisions, sell stuff you dont need, this is not *cliche invoming* wow ... it's a story based rpg.

Yep, not being outraged at the "lack" of inventory space is very unpopular these days.

I can't agree enough with the point of this thread. Hopefully someone from ZOS will see all these suggestions and consider them...

@Blackwidow Indeed...XD

I don't mind mind it. I tends to be part of an MMO. However, with researching take 1-3 days or so, your inventory can fill up soon as you hang on to stuff to research. I kinda wish it didn't take so long to research, but don't know what the right balance is. Having more inventory space would be good, but at one point, the cost to add more gets stupid.

Bank Tetris. sigh....