BOLT Escape is now the MOST OP ability in the game!

canghai · May 2014

FlatLine84 wrote: »

Its funny people commenting its not op, and how NB should use teleport strike to keep up or better yet assuming everyone uses cookie cutters.

Take it from a night blade like myself bolt escape is op, I do 1800 average burst damage in one second all mages do to avoid almost instant death is bolt escape with the stun morph.. Try catching them after that I've seen them spam it at least 10 times...

And if you doubt my dps feel free to PM for a 1v1 I'm AD I would gladly add you to my montage video.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA.........

...........HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

this fruitcake deals 1800 burst dmg in a sec and complains when someone is able to escape from it, if anything ur 1800 burst needs to be nerfed

FlatLine84 · May 2014

crislevin wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

I fought a sorc yesterday for over 7 minutes. 8 stamina potions later, as I had to chase him down every time I "beat" him, which was roughly 6 times, then finally the 7th fight he got lucky and beat me.

So, my 6 "victories" = 0 AP earned, his 1 victory and 6 "losses" = 400~ AP earned.

Seems balanced to me.

If by balanced I mean complete ridiculousness.

So that guy was the 1 out of 100 that you can't beat and caused all your nerd rage against sorcs huh?

Feminine quality #1 - you're a sorc
Feminine quality #2 - you're literally stalking me on the forums and it's honestly weird.

You claimed you win 99% of fights and yet still were crying nerf and you expect everyone to forget?

Nope, not at all. And I'm not saying it's untrue now. That was the only time I lost to a sorc in a 1v1 yesterday. And being that he literally blinked away 6 times after being stomped makes bolt laughable.

Almost as laughable as all these sorcs in here screaming "It's fine! Dear baby Jesus, it's fine! It's not even that powerful! Please don't nerf it! Don't... Please... Please? I don't want to accept my loses.. Please? Mommy?"

So your op class is well deserved and other shouldn't even have an escape ability, how eccentric.

Erock25 wrote: »

FlatLine84 wrote: »

If you never used mist form or BE why are you commenting on it? And I strongly believe if you killed a sorc with BE they need to uninatall the game esp from a sub par pvper like you claim to be. Its an expolit, no class should be given a get out of jail free card 100 percent of the time

Have you used Bolt Escape? I do not think I'm a slouch in PVP and do quite well, but still have been caught countless times while trying to Bolt Escape away for my life. Ranged CC's happen, not enough magicka happens, another Sorc chasing you down happens, deciding you help your group the most by standing and fighting happens.

bg22 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

You claimed you win 99% of fights and yet still were crying nerf and you expect everyone to forget?

Nope, not at all. And I'm not saying it's untrue now. That was the only time I lost to a sorc in a 1v1 yesterday. And being that he literally blinked away 6 times after being stomped makes bolt laughable.

Almost as laughable as all these sorcs in here screaming "It's fine! Dear baby Jesus, it's fine! It's not even that powerful! Please don't nerf it! Don't... Please... Please? I don't want to accept my loses.. Please? Mommy?"

So your argument is still that you beat Sorc 99 times out of 100, but because that 1 time he was able to BE away, we must nerf BE? I feel I don't even need to post in defense of BE with people like you posting to nerf it.

Isolated incidents, if you bolt esp into another crowd sure your dead. If you bolt esp from 6 dudes but didn't see the lone archer to your immediate north east sure your dead... Sounds to me you need to pay attention more to your surroundings. I'm not saying I never killed a sorc BE however when I have killed him it wasn't a 1v1 and he happen to BE right in front of me..

BaddLarry · May 2014

piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »

Not my video, but I guess it responds pretty well to your claims:

I watched that video and all I heard is, "I can't kill a guy that's running away". I used to play Lineage 2 and people used to complain about Blessed Escape Scrolls the same way. There are those that feel that they're owed a kill if they have a better build or if they're higher level and once they're denied that, they get ticked off. It's not the contest they crave, it's the dead body at their feet.

I'm level 28 and not even close to having BE. I find my skills in the game to be rather weak as a Sorc and I'm almost tired of playing the class due to the extreme magicka costs for spells that do little damage even in PvE. I got gangraped by three orcs the other day because of their knockback and stuns. I tried to put some distance between me and them and got a back full of axe for my trouble. An escape when you're wearing the least armored clothing in the game doesn't seem like a bad thing.

Do you really want Sorc's to have high magicka costs, low durability, and now less survivability as well? Who'd play Sorc's at that point? Now if you're going to give higher damage in pvp but let them be a squishy glass cannon with no escape and slightly better heals, you wouldn't need an escape.

FlatLine84 · May 2014

canghai wrote: »

FlatLine84 wrote: »

Its funny people commenting its not op, and how NB should use teleport strike to keep up or better yet assuming everyone uses cookie cutters.

Take it from a night blade like myself bolt escape is op, I do 1800 average burst damage in one second all mages do to avoid almost instant death is bolt escape with the stun morph.. Try catching them after that I've seen them spam it at least 10 times...

And if you doubt my dps feel free to PM for a 1v1 I'm AD I would gladly add you to my montage video.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA.........

...........HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

this fruitcake deals 1800 burst dmg in a sec and complains when someone is able to escape from it, if anything ur 1800 burst needs to be nerfed

Right lol, maybe you need to learn to stop relying on exploits and try to make a build that doesn't result in being a gimp

bg22 · May 2014

crislevin wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

I fought a sorc yesterday for over 7 minutes. 8 stamina potions later, as I had to chase him down every time I "beat" him, which was roughly 6 times, then finally the 7th fight he got lucky and beat me.

So, my 6 "victories" = 0 AP earned, his 1 victory and 6 "losses" = 400~ AP earned.

Seems balanced to me.

If by balanced I mean complete ridiculousness.

So that guy was the 1 out of 100 that you can't beat and caused all your nerd rage against sorcs huh?

Feminine quality #1 - you're a sorc
Feminine quality #2 - you're literally stalking me on the forums and it's honestly weird.

You claimed you win 99% of fights and yet still were crying nerf and you expect everyone to forget?

Nope, not at all. And I'm not saying it's untrue now. That was the only time I lost to a sorc in a 1v1 yesterday. And being that he literally blinked away 6 times after being stomped makes bolt laughable.

Almost as laughable as all these sorcs in here screaming "It's fine! Dear baby Jesus, it's fine! It's not even that powerful! Please don't nerf it! Don't... Please... Please? I don't want to accept my loses.. Please? Mommy?"

So your op class is well deserved and other shouldn't even have an escape ability, how eccentric.

If you're talking about shadowy disguise: 1. I don't use it.
2. It lasts for 3~ seconds, gives no speed boost and can broken by AoE's and even some DoTs. Even by one of our applied DoTs.
3. It takes cunning to make it work. So you can't point in a random direction and headbutt the keyboard for success.

So yea, sure man, whatever you say.

Huckdabuck · May 2014

FlatLine84 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

FlatLine84 wrote: »

I'm willing to bet everyone on here that is defending bolt esp has a sorc.. Look mist form wasn't even as bad as bolt esp and the hammer was dropped. Second when you 100 percent of the time decide the outcome of the battle because of one move its not skill its an exploit. No critical thinking required.

And I'm willing to bet that everyone on here that is QQ'n bolt escape isn't a sorc....I don't even have it slotted due to the dps loss....so I'm not being a homer here.....I'm being a realist. There are far better skills at a sorcs disposal which do much more damage/CC/stun/mez. The reality of the matter is people who are complaining are doing so because they "feel" that they were "entitled" to a kill and that people are robbing them of the AP or out of blind stupidity when it comes to what a class is built for/around.

To the mist form complaint....I'm a vamp sorc on my main and to tell you the truth I didn't see the OP'ness of that personally (and I never used it either) but many did so Zenimax felt it was not intended to be a signature ability like BE is and nerfed. Hence they went and made it more comparable to boundless storm.

Side note : If you see any sorc "exploiting" BE and instantly winning 100% of their fights then I will gladly say it needs a nerf since that means they are killing players by running away in the opposite direction and that is just way over the top OP. I'm a horrible PvP'er but I still manage to kill sorcs who BE on my nonsorc toons. Quit exaggerating it only makes people smell desperation or straight ignorance/arrogance.

If you never used mist form or BE why are you commenting on it? And I strongly believe if you killed a sorc with BE they need to uninatall the game esp from a sub par pvper like you claim to be. Its an expolit, no class should be given a get out of jail free card 100 percent of the time

Question 1 - I'm sorry I should have said I never used mist form in PvP yet I did level it up in PvE and no where did I ever state that I did or didn't use BE in PvP....in fact I used it quiet a bit when i first got into Cyrodiil until I realized that I was missing out on DPS by having that ability slotted. Assumptions man assumptions.

Statement 1 - I agree with you that anyone I kill should be forced to shart their toons, unsub, and uninstall the game from their hard drives as punishment for allowing me to add a notch to my belt!

Statement 2 - Explain to me how something (BE) is considered an exploit if it is being used exactly how the devs created it to be used (escape mechanism B.o.L. or dps gap closer/stun/repositioning Streak)? Seriously you obviously have no clue what an EXPLOIT truly is and I'm just going to go ahead and label you a troll and lump you into the "QQ they stole hard earned AP camp".

Huckdabuck · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

Almost as laughable as all these sorcs in here screaming "It's fine! Dear baby Jesus, it's fine! It's not even that powerful! Please don't nerf it! Don't... Please... Please? I don't want to accept my loses.. Please? Mommy?"

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Erock25 · May 2014

FlatLine84 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

Have you used Bolt Escape? I do not think I'm a slouch in PVP and do quite well, but still have been caught countless times while trying to Bolt Escape away for my life. Ranged CC's happen, not enough magicka happens, another Sorc chasing you down happens, deciding you help your group the most by standing and fighting happens.

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Isolated incidents, if you bolt esp into another crowd sure your dead. If you bolt esp from 6 dudes but didn't see the lone archer to your immediate north east sure your dead... Sounds to me you need to pay attention more to your surroundings. I'm not saying I never killed a sorc BE however when I have killed him it wasn't a 1v1 and he happen to BE right in front of me..

How are any of those things isolated incidents? You're telling me that being low on magicka, being hit with a ranged CC, fighting against a Sorc, and deciding to stand and fight instead of run away are all isolated incidents? Therefore since it is an isolated incident to fight against a Sorc, the use of BE itself is an isolated incident and we might as well disregard the whole discussion.

hk11 · May 2014

drwoody44b14_ESO wrote: »

hk11 wrote: »

DAoC sort of had the right idea by not even having forums.

VN forums

Begone fake daoc player

Those were VN forums. Not official DAoC forums. Yes I am aware their existence. I played daoc off an on from it's inception to about a year ago.

Aimelin · May 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Same thing applies here. Sorc bolting mean you won. Stop feeling like you lost when you actually won. And reserve the term "OP" for things that make you lose.

Like when he Dark Exchanges to full health and magicka and comes back 5 secs later to DPS the living daylights out of me? Has he won then?

A sorc bolt escaping hasn't forfeited or lost the fight, he can just use it to buy the few secs he needs to replenish and fight some more.

ReQu wrote: »

This video shows me nothing sorry

take note that they don't show lvl or gear, think that all escapes are on a solid flat surface and the amount of BE used are less then that actually possible. Its only a matter of time until this broken move is fixed "best escape,best gap closer/best CC" say what you want its a move that does everything a draw back of 4sec's of haulted magika regen is no bid deal simply hold block with all that stamina you don't need.

I'm sorry to correct you but there isn't currently a drawback at all. Whatever the tooltip says, on my sorc alt the magicka regenerates fine after Bolt Escaping. It's a well reported on bug on the change they made in the patch

you mean we use dark exchange to heal ourselves & come back to fight? omg nooo, that can't be happening !

tell that to all the DKs spamming green dragon blood 500 times and never dieing, oh wait, pop a potion, green dragon blood spam again, gg

Cody · May 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

NookyZooky wrote: »

you think this is OP? are you not aware of the NPC mages capable of doing 3028 damage?? Bolt escape is spammed way to much, but there are worse things in this game right now.

Yes, I am. Are you aware that if you put oil next to a keep wall and pour it, the people on top of the wall get burned? As if the oil is travelling up the wall?

You know what my comment and yours have in common? They are both very valid points and they both have their own threads too.

I also contribute on the NPC Merc discussion. Should all other discussion be suspended until the mercs get nerfed?

No. I just don't think bolt escape is the worse thing about this game. If you think differently, that's fine, the ability irritates the crap out of me too. it sone of the reasons I don't PvP anymore

hk11 · May 2014

I think bolt escape is fine. In all the videos you see a sorc that would get their *** rocked in a few seconds escape. That's the purpose of it. Without it, people would just beat the *** of of sorcs.

Morbus2 · May 2014

hk11 wrote: »

I think bolt escape is fine. In all the videos you see a sorc that would get their *** rocked in a few seconds escape. That's the purpose of it. Without it, people would just beat the *** of of sorcs.

Of course it is. I hope that ZoS doesn't listen to a few PvP whiners and ruin a perfectly good skill for sorc's.

vyndral13preub18_ESO · May 2014

In almost every game i have seen it is usually the thieves saying their get out of jail free card is fine. This time it is the mage type characters. ESO is spicing it up some!

bg22 · May 2014

Huckdabuck wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Almost as laughable as all these sorcs in here screaming "It's fine! Dear baby Jesus, it's fine! It's not even that powerful! Please don't nerf it! Don't... Please... Please? I don't want to accept my loses.. Please? Mommy?"

It's just weirding me out that you follow me around the forums.

Also, you never bring any valid points to any argument, ever, and post all over the forums about how you win every argument you post about.

Posting in l33t speak at the bottom of all your post doesn't add weight to them

You've yet to make a valid point in any thread that you've creepily stalked me.

I won't respond to you anywhere on this forum again

Gg.

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Korah_Eaglecry · May 2014

Ragekniv wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Ragekniv wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Bolt escape is OK.
Can't catch sorcerer? So bring ally sorcerer and problem solved.

Surreal, the definition of absurd. Bring a rock to break a rock or you lose AP.

Mist form was shattered, bolt escape should not be able to evade the nerf hammer.

Sorcs and DKs are OP. Ninja nerf them in their sleep and let them awake to the nightmare NBs and Templars have endured.

Or you can simply continue to try and fight rock with scissors. All the while crying rock is OP.

And speaking of absurd. Look at the hate for DKs and Sorcs. As if its the fault of those two classes that Templars and NBs are having a hard time. The blame lies with the Devs not the players and their class choice. Nerfing DKs and Sorcs will do what exactly? Make the game more balanced? Of course not. Youre just the type that if youre suffering you want to see others suffering along with you. Regardless of how idiotic that concept is.

Did I miss the outcry of the masses? Where was the communities solidarity when ninja nerfs as a dangerous precedent should have alarmed them into a unified voice supporting immediate developer action to remedy.

Instead, Sorcs and DK's keep to their subterfuge of rancid L2P and were not OP rants.

Not buying what your selling. Your time will come.

Your cries too will fall in ineffectual torrents of your delayed dismay in what you could have helped prevent.

So your argument is that because a select few DK and Sorc Players on a Forums , who couldnt possibly reflect the attitude of the majority of DK/Sorc Players, were *** hats to you. You want the game and everyone to suffer?

And then we'll know what its like to be a NB and Templar right? We'll better understand you and your anguish.

Youre a prime example of what I said before. Misery loves company. Your reaction has nothing to do with balance. And everything to do with getting the upper hand through the God Like Nerf Powers of the Devs.

PermaGrin · May 2014

Just as there are ways to catch them.

I can usually dip out with my NB just as easy.

I am even starting to see through the NB being even better.
Yes, the Sorc can zip away and pretty well with mana to burn. With being able to stay in cloak (given it does not break), I can usually chain cloak 2, up 5-6 times. Then with 2.9 seconds, that can easily be 10 seconds. Making enough time to go hidden or at least try break line of sight so you can get out of detected.

Or what I like to some times, cloak, dodge, cloak, dodge, etc.
Dodging gives a speed boost. Cloak regens stam. Since I am dodging, I am not looking to go hidden just yet, so I just continue normal running with the speed boost from dodge but I an cloaked...hopefully :P

Now the downside, the bugs with the cloaking in general, then the fact you are still near the enemy. So you need to be very careful. While the Sorc is clearly still visible, even leaves a trail showing where. So if you can catch up, you can get them. If I manage to dodge sight enough, I can just sit there with the NB.

All of this is out side of the context of what else the class can do. As in, only comparing the Cloak to Bolt Escape.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FlatLine84 wrote: »

That's cute you made a funny haha. I take it your a socr, there's no need to spin the truth the Nerf is inbound hope your ready to react.

Step 1 - make countless nerf BE threads

Step 2 - comment in every BE thread possible trying to convince the devs it is OP

Step 3 - when you realize that a lot of people disagree with you, start claiming the nerf is inevitable as a last ditch effort to convince people it is OP

Literally the only ppl that don't think bolt is OP, are sorcs. So when you see "all these ppl disagreeing with you", you're mistaken. Those are sorcs desperately trying to hang onto an OP ability.

Sound familiar... I recall "all these ppl" saying talons wasn't OP. Oh wait... Those were all DKs. Weird.

What ever happened to talons anyway?

I dont have a Sorc. I do have a NB and DK....Still dont think its OP even though Ive had Sorcs burn me to the ground in PvP. Its PvP, some one somewhere is going to be better then you. And their going to destroy you. It happens. According to your own version of the story. The guy has the sense to step back for a heal, bait you, you give chase like an idiot and repeat the process. Over and over again this guy has the smarts to back off when he doesnt have the upper hand. Instead of realizing youre being baited. And that eventually hes going to capitalize on a possible mistake. Your rationale is that because he backed off, he lost and just couldnt deal with it....Even though the game mechanic is built in so that Sorcs can utilize this very tactic. Which means its working as intended.

If the guy up above is correct. That you outed yourself as a former marine. Youd know this is a legitimate tactic. Your problem is you dont want to accept your own short comings. The fact that you arent as aware of the whole picture as you lead yourself to believe. You dying because someone baited you is your fault. Not BE.

Its also interesting that you claim to know who is what based on what side of the fence their on. This sort of 'with me or against me' mindset screams agenda.

Huckdabuck · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Almost as laughable as all these sorcs in here screaming "It's fine! Dear baby Jesus, it's fine! It's not even that powerful! Please don't nerf it! Don't... Please... Please? I don't want to accept my loses.. Please? Mommy?"

It's just weirding me out that you follow me around the forums. You're weird man.

Also, you never bring any valid points to any argument, ever, and post all over the forums about how you win every argument you post about.

Posting in l33t speak at the bottom of all your post doesn't add weight to them

You've yet to make a valid point in any thread that you've creepily stalked me.

I won't respond to you anywhere on this forum again

I think it's weird that someone QQ's vehemently about something over and over and over and over after being shown that they are wrong repeatedly.

I only directly respond to your idiotic posts so that would mean you never bring any valid points to any argument even as well then! I've never said "I win every argument" in any thread EVER unlike your I win 99% of my PvP encounters with sorcs. I have said that you were verbally "female dog in heat" slapped but that doesn't equate to me saying I win.

Posting in l33t speak at the bottom of all my posts doesn't subtract any weight to them based on the content of the message prior to the l33t speak.

As stated before I'm just showing the world a fool in case they aren't capable of recognizing it themselves instead of your stalker claim. I tend to like sarcasm as a comic relief versus your belief that grandiose and outlandish claims provide better entertainment. And there's that macho man bravado that you haven't failed to include in a single post when someone differs from your OP! I love how you stick to your guns and keep up the charade that you've been trying to portray while on the forums.

Whatever will I do with myself if you no longer respond with your replies of I'm a manly man and that's why I (fill in the blank) and you're a girly man and that's why you (fill in the blank). I know...I'll just move on to the next idiot who's spewing bs about something they don't know anything about and try to educate them as well. Or at least figure out what their major malfunction is (we can all see what yours is).

One last time for good measure.....

Less QQ MOAR L2PvP.

Huckdabuck · May 2014

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

I dont have a Sorc. I do have a NB and DK....Still dont think its OP even though Ive had Sorcs burn me to the ground in PvP. Its PvP, some one somewhere is going to be better then you. And their going to destroy you. It happens. According to your own version of the story. The guy has the sense to step back for a heal, bait you, you give chase like an idiot and repeat the process. Over and over again this guy has the smarts to back off when he doesnt have the upper hand. Instead of realizing youre being baited. And that eventually hes going to capitalize on a possible mistake. Your rationale is that because he backed off, he lost and just couldnt deal with it....Even though the game mechanic is built in so that Sorcs can utilize this very tactic. Which means its working as intended.

Its interesting that you claim to know who is what based on what side of the fence their on. This sort of 'with me or against me' mindset screams agenda.

I gotta say this....nice post and I think you hit the nail on the head!

SeinSchatten · May 2014

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Oh for crying out loud !!

This is RTL with eles in gw2 all over again... Do not nerf this skill! People just need to learn to play against sorcs using this ability and learn to counter and anticipate their enemies movements instead of crying nerf because they can't beat someone. Just because someone is beating you doesn't mean the skills or class is OP.

Don't forget to mention that Eles were destroyed for over a year and now are recently brought back on par.
Same for Eles in GW 1. lol
There seems to be too many Hulk Smash players. People just love Hulk.

NordJitsu · May 2014

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Its interesting that you claim to know who is what based on what side of the fence their on. This sort of 'with me or against me' mindset screams agenda.

Its just basic ad hominem attack stuff.

People on the internet don't like to be wrong, so they try to attack people's credibility when they start losing arguments. That's all he was doing to you and as soon as someone does it they basically have admitted that they lost the argument.

bg22 · May 2014

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FlatLine84 wrote: »

That's cute you made a funny haha. I take it your a socr, there's no need to spin the truth the Nerf is inbound hope your ready to react.

Step 1 - make countless nerf BE threads

Step 2 - comment in every BE thread possible trying to convince the devs it is OP

Step 3 - when you realize that a lot of people disagree with you, start claiming the nerf is inevitable as a last ditch effort to convince people it is OP

Literally the only ppl that don't think bolt is OP, are sorcs. So when you see "all these ppl disagreeing with you", you're mistaken. Those are sorcs desperately trying to hang onto an OP ability.

Sound familiar... I recall "all these ppl" saying talons wasn't OP. Oh wait... Those were all DKs. Weird.

What ever happened to talons anyway?

I dont have a Sorc. I do have a NB and DK....Still dont think its OP even though Ive had Sorcs burn me to the ground in PvP. Its PvP, some one somewhere is going to be better then you. And their going to destroy you. It happens. According to your own version of the story. The guy has the sense to step back for a heal, bait you, you give chase like an idiot and repeat the process. Over and over again this guy has the smarts to back off when he doesnt have the upper hand. Instead of realizing youre being baited. And that eventually hes going to capitalize on a possible mistake. Your rationale is that because he backed off, he lost and just couldnt deal with it....Even though the game mechanic is built in so that Sorcs can utilize this very tactic. Which means its working as intended.

If the guy up above is correct. That you outed yourself as a former marine. Youd know this is a legitimate tactic. Your problem is you dont want to accept your own short comings. The fact that you arent as aware of the whole picture as you lead yourself to believe. You dying because someone baited you is your fault. Not BE.

Its also interesting that you claim to know who is what based on what side of the fence their on. This sort of 'with me or against me' mindset screams agenda.

Lol there was no baiting... He just tried continuously to get away when he lost. Each time I caught him trying to stealth behind a building, rock etc.

Listen, when there's this big of a fuss over a skill, whether for good or bad, something is obviously wrong.

When ppl continuously complain in /zone, /guild, you name it, there's something wrong.

When over half the population is playing a particular class (just a guess from observation), there's a reason. That reason is FoTM. Right now it's sorc simply for bolt escape and CF. It use to be shield bashing DKs, but they were fixed. As this will be fixed. They fixed DK pretty well and didn't go overboard, so hopefully they handle Sorc the same.

My recommendation is something to the effect of multiplying the magicka cost x1.5 per use within 5 seconds of itself.

Almost forgot, Marines don't retreat, they attack in a different direction.

damfatcow · May 2014

Snit wrote: »

Bolt Escape can be countered by most classes, and Sorcs are not the fastest overland class. This is a pure Learn to Play issue. This video explains it in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

That video is so biased and wrong on so many levels if you buy into that I pity you lol.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FlatLine84 wrote: »

That's cute you made a funny haha. I take it your a socr, there's no need to spin the truth the Nerf is inbound hope your ready to react.

Step 1 - make countless nerf BE threads

Step 2 - comment in every BE thread possible trying to convince the devs it is OP

Step 3 - when you realize that a lot of people disagree with you, start claiming the nerf is inevitable as a last ditch effort to convince people it is OP

Literally the only ppl that don't think bolt is OP, are sorcs. So when you see "all these ppl disagreeing with you", you're mistaken. Those are sorcs desperately trying to hang onto an OP ability.

Sound familiar... I recall "all these ppl" saying talons wasn't OP. Oh wait... Those were all DKs. Weird.

What ever happened to talons anyway?

I dont have a Sorc. I do have a NB and DK....Still dont think its OP even though Ive had Sorcs burn me to the ground in PvP. Its PvP, some one somewhere is going to be better then you. And their going to destroy you. It happens. According to your own version of the story. The guy has the sense to step back for a heal, bait you, you give chase like an idiot and repeat the process. Over and over again this guy has the smarts to back off when he doesnt have the upper hand. Instead of realizing youre being baited. And that eventually hes going to capitalize on a possible mistake. Your rationale is that because he backed off, he lost and just couldnt deal with it....Even though the game mechanic is built in so that Sorcs can utilize this very tactic. Which means its working as intended.

If the guy up above is correct. That you outed yourself as a former marine. Youd know this is a legitimate tactic. Your problem is you dont want to accept your own short comings. The fact that you arent as aware of the whole picture as you lead yourself to believe. You dying because someone baited you is your fault. Not BE.

Its also interesting that you claim to know who is what based on what side of the fence their on. This sort of 'with me or against me' mindset screams agenda.

Lol there was no baiting... He just tried continuously to get away when he lost. Each time I caught him trying to stealth behind a building, rock etc.

Listen, when there's this big of a fuss over a skill, whether for good or bad, something is obviously wrong.

When ppl continuously complain in /zone, /guild, you name it, there's something wrong.

When over half the population is playing a particular class (just a guess from observation), there's a reason. That reason is FoTM. Right now it's sorc simply for bolt escape and CF. It use to be shield bashing DKs, but they were fixed. As this will be fixed. They fixed DK pretty well and didn't go overboard, so hopefully they handle Sorc the same.

My recommendation is something to the effect of multiplying the magicka cost x1.5 per use within 5 seconds of itself.

Almost forgot, Marines don't retreat, they attack in a different direction.

Yeah Yeah. Marines are so hardcore. You guys think of everything.

He baited you. Get over it. And even if he didnt. Who continuously chases after someone after 'beating' them 6 times? You had to know you were putting yourself at risk of being out played. That whole 'Marines attack in a different direction' sure in the **** didnt work for you that time did it?

Erock25 · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

When ppl continuously complain in /zone, /guild, you name it, there's something wrong.

When over half the population is playing a particular class (just a guess from observation), there's a reason. That reason is FoTM. Right now it's sorc simply for bolt escape and CF. It use to be shield bashing DKs, but they were fixed. As this will be fixed. They fixed DK pretty well and didn't go overboard, so hopefully they handle Sorc the same.

No. People continuously complain about BE because it denies them their all precious kills which mean diddly squat in the grand scheme of Cyrodiil warfare. Also, the people continuously complaining are THE SAME EXACT PEOPLE. Next time a nerf BE thread or poll pops up, do yourself a favor and click the OP and look at what other discussions they have created. It is comical.

Your estimate of 50% sorc population is comical as well. I'd put it at 35%DK, 25% sorc, 22%NB and 18% Temp.

Desdemonte · May 2014

With the amount of lag in PvP, Bolt Escape cannot be countered. Hell, I can't even catch up with someone after they've dodge-rolled because I'm already a second behind! Then it takes multiple key mashes for a skill to go off? lol I don't think so.

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ElastarEmberclaw · May 2014

They love Op mages to much. They wont change a thing, soon everyone will play a mage. Melee suck, its a range knock down game. he knocks you down then you die.. and if you're lucky to hit him a few times Bolt! I wish they gave more health(health might make fights last longer, be more fun) and got rid of half the stinkin CC I want to fight not die on my back.

concobar · May 2014

canghai wrote: »

bolt escape is ment to be an escape, so when this skill suceeds in what was ment to do it doesnt mean its OP, maybe it just ment u should have not chased

So why was mist form gutted?