BOLT Escape is now the MOST OP ability in the game!

jereri3189b14_ESO2

There after a few days of watching more and more Sorcs ABUSE this skill I can say without question that this ability is now the most over powered ability in game. FIX this DEVS!!!!
I'm sick of fighting an Sorc knowing that they are about to stun and ABUSE bolt escape to totally waste my time.
If hes winning oh sure I'm screwed... but If I manage to get the upperhand WHOOOOOSH! And theirs nothing I can do about it... nothing anyone near me can do about it... OP!

SilverWF

Bolt escape is OK.
Can't catch sorcerer? So bring ally sorcerer and problem solved.

Ragekniv

SilverWF wrote: »

Bolt escape is OK.
Can't catch sorcerer? So bring ally sorcerer and problem solved.

Surreal, the definition of absurd. Bring a rock to break a rock or you lose AP.

Mist form was shattered, bolt escape should not be able to evade the nerf hammer.

Sorcs and DKs are OP. Ninja nerf them in their sleep and let them awake to the nightmare NBs and Templars have endured.

NordJitsu

There is plenty you can do about it.

Go read one of the other 10 threads about the ability if you're interested in learning how to counter it.

ipkonfigcub18_ESO

Or be a NB and spam teleport on them as they blink.

OrangeTheCat

My main is a sorc. Lucky choice I guess. But I don't feel OP at all. I guess I must be "doing it wrong", but before I had the Bolt skill I would almost always lose a 1v1 in PvP (continually stunned, rooted, and otherwise incapacitated). Same situation now when I have Bolt, so when there is that itty bitty break between stuns, yeah, I bolt the hell out of there. Bolt is the only thing that keeps me alive.

canghai

bolt escape is ment to be an escape, so when this skill suceeds in what was ment to do it doesnt mean its OP, maybe it just ment u should have not chased

Korah_Eaglecry

Ragekniv wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Bolt escape is OK.
Can't catch sorcerer? So bring ally sorcerer and problem solved.

Surreal, the definition of absurd. Bring a rock to break a rock or you lose AP.

Mist form was shattered, bolt escape should not be able to evade the nerf hammer.

Sorcs and DKs are OP. Ninja nerf them in their sleep and let them awake to the nightmare NBs and Templars have endured.

Or you can simply continue to try and fight rock with scissors. All the while crying rock is OP.

And speaking of absurd. Look at the hate for DKs and Sorcs. As if its the fault of those two classes that Templars and NBs are having a hard time. The blame lies with the Devs not the players and their class choice. Nerfing DKs and Sorcs will do what exactly? Make the game more balanced? Of course not. Youre just the type that if youre suffering you want to see others suffering along with you. Regardless of how idiotic that concept is.

Phantorang

Nerf it now, its a 100% escape, its ridiculous that its even in the game.

Ragekniv

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Ragekniv wrote: »

SilverWF wrote: »

Bolt escape is OK.
Can't catch sorcerer? So bring ally sorcerer and problem solved.

Surreal, the definition of absurd. Bring a rock to break a rock or you lose AP.

Mist form was shattered, bolt escape should not be able to evade the nerf hammer.

Sorcs and DKs are OP. Ninja nerf them in their sleep and let them awake to the nightmare NBs and Templars have endured.

Or you can simply continue to try and fight rock with scissors. All the while crying rock is OP.

And speaking of absurd. Look at the hate for DKs and Sorcs. As if its the fault of those two classes that Templars and NBs are having a hard time. The blame lies with the Devs not the players and their class choice. Nerfing DKs and Sorcs will do what exactly? Make the game more balanced? Of course not. Youre just the type that if youre suffering you want to see others suffering along with you. Regardless of how idiotic that concept is.

Did I miss the outcry of the masses? Where was the communities solidarity when ninja nerfs as a dangerous precedent should have alarmed them into a unified voice supporting immediate developer action to remedy.

Instead, Sorcs and DK's keep to their subterfuge of rancid L2P and were not OP rants.

Not buying what your selling. Your time will come.

Your cries too will fall in ineffectual torrents of your delayed dismay in what you could have helped prevent.

crislevin

In chaos of battle, it's means Jack, it only works wonder when one enemy sneak on a sorc in a one on one situation.

And get over it, if you don't know how to pay against another class, reroll. We all know NB is broken, it's not other classes fault. You need to cry to a fix for NB, not nerfing everybody else.

Snit

Bolt Escape can be countered by most classes, and Sorcs are not the fastest overland class. This is a pure Learn to Play issue. This video explains it in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

Tootall2186

Oh for crying out loud !!

This is RTL with eles in gw2 all over again... Do not nerf this skill! People just need to learn to play against sorcs using this ability and learn to counter and anticipate their enemies movements instead of crying nerf because they can't beat someone. Just because someone is beating you doesn't mean the skills or class is OP.

Glurin

Tootall2186 wrote: »

Oh for crying out loud !!

This is RTL with eles in gw2 all over again... Do not nerf this skill! People just need to learn to play against sorcs using this ability and learn to counter and anticipate their enemies movements instead of crying nerf because they can't beat someone. Just because someone is beating you doesn't mean the skills or class is OP.

No, no. It's not that they can't beat someone. It's that someone can potentially get away from them when they try to gank that person with their cookie cutter build.

"He who fights and runs away is a damn noob using obviously OP abilities that need beaten with a nerf stick so hard that putting even a single skill point in it permanently gimps your character!"

Bolsh

Get a Templar and javelin that sob...

Prettiboi

Bolt Escape DID get nerfed. It now slows magicka regen for 4s after Bolt Escape is cast so you cannot Bolt Escape as often.

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

Snit wrote: »

Bolt Escape can be countered by most classes, and Sorcs are not the fastest overland class. This is a pure Learn to Play issue. This video explains it in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

hehe, i am sure 90% of nightblades dont even know path of darkness

Talablaze

jereri3189b14_ESO2 wrote: »

I'm sick of fighting an [insert class here] with them knowing that I am about to stun and ABUSE bolt escape to totally waste there time.

As a sorcerer i had to correct part of your initial post, OP.

Maulkin

Snit wrote: »

Bolt Escape can be countered by most classes, and Sorcs are not the fastest overland class. This is a pure Learn to Play issue. This video explains it in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

I stopped watching the video 1 minute in, cause it's just so wrong that one of two is happening:
a) These guys have never PvPed.
b) They are deliberatly misinforming

When he started dodge-rolling through the Talons, yeah that's when I stopped. Even my nan knows that you can teleport though the talons with Bolt Escape by know!!!

Glurin

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Bolt Escape can be countered by most classes, and Sorcs are not the fastest overland class. This is a pure Learn to Play issue. This video explains it in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

I stopped watching the video 1 minute in, cause it's just so wrong that one of two is happening:
a) These guys have never PvPed.
b) They are deliberatly misinforming

When he started dodge-rolling through the Talons, yeah that's when I stopped. Even my nan knows the you can teleport though the talons with Bolt Escape by know!!!

And the talons remain. That's why he was dodge rolling. He still has to break them whether he bolts first or not.

ReQu

Snit wrote: »

Bolt Escape can be countered by most classes, and Sorcs are not the fastest overland class. This is a pure Learn to Play issue. This video explains it in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

This video shows me nothing sorry

take note that they don't show lvl or gear, think that all escapes are on a solid flat surface and the amount of BE used are less then that actually possible. Its only a matter of time until this broken move is fixed "best escape,best gap closer/best CC" say what you want its a move that does everything a draw back of 4sec's of haulted magika regen is no bid deal simply hold block with all that stamina you don't need.

MasterSpatula

I remember back in my SWG days, all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Jedi cloak abilities. It was fundamental to their class; it was what they do. A jedi that cloaked and ran meant that you'd won in every sense but for getting the GCW points.

Same thing applies here. Sorc bolting mean you won. Stop feeling like you lost when you actually won. And reserve the term "OP" for things that make you lose.

Maulkin

Glurin wrote: »

And the talons remain. That's why he was dodge rolling. He still has to break them whether he bolts first or not.

What? Why would you do that? You'll dodge roll wasting your stamina, to stop the 50dps DoT when you've already streaked across the map? Never seen anyone do that...they just wait for them to go away (if they already haven't) since they're safely out of combat.

The guy in the video is using it to attack when 90% of the sorcs use it to get away. They also use Ball of Lighting which stops the Javelin from working, but let's not stop and look at what actually happens in Cyro. Let's just make fantasy scenarios instead and show how you'd counter the cooperative opponents in these fantastical situations, sure.

Phantorang

Snit wrote: »

Bolt Escape can be countered by most classes, and Sorcs are not the fastest overland class. This is a pure Learn to Play issue. This video explains it in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

As if we are all going to wait and be ready for the sorc to use bolt escape, and even 2-3 abilities ready only to counter the sorc bolt escape.

And as the video says, the best is to let the sorc leave, cuz you wont do anyone anything good by spending alot of time following and kill a 1 sorc, because as the video says, then the sorc cant do anything anyway to help the raid.

Thats just wrong, since nobody bothers to follow a sorc as it is a waste of time and a huge risk to be ambushed, its not like they cant heal up and rejoin the fight in a few secs.

Über powered, thats what the Bolt Escape is, nerf it down to 1 cast a minute, or give it to everyone via the Mage Guild.

And what is just as bad, its impossible to escape from a sorc. No matter what abilities I got ready, I cant escape a sorc.

Maulkin

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Same thing applies here. Sorc bolting mean you won. Stop feeling like you lost when you actually won. And reserve the term "OP" for things that make you lose.

Like when he Dark Exchanges to full health and magicka and comes back 5 secs later to DPS the living daylights out of me? Has he won then?

A sorc bolt escaping hasn't forfeited or lost the fight, he can just use it to buy the few secs he needs to replenish and fight some more.

ReQu wrote: »

This video shows me nothing sorry

take note that they don't show lvl or gear, think that all escapes are on a solid flat surface and the amount of BE used are less then that actually possible. Its only a matter of time until this broken move is fixed "best escape,best gap closer/best CC" say what you want its a move that does everything a draw back of 4sec's of haulted magika regen is no bid deal simply hold block with all that stamina you don't need.

I'm sorry to correct you but there isn't currently a drawback at all. Whatever the tooltip says, on my sorc alt the magicka regenerates fine after Bolt Escaping. It's a well reported on bug on the change they made in the patch

Cody

you think this is OP? are you not aware of the NPC mages capable of doing 3028 damage?? Bolt escape is spammed way to much, but there are worse things in this game right now.

Khazaad

Gazelle, "We're not opposed to cheetahs. It's their teeth we have a problem with".

Cheetah, "Your fear is like seasoning. 5 second head start... GO!"

zaria

Phantorang wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Bolt Escape can be countered by most classes, and Sorcs are not the fastest overland class. This is a pure Learn to Play issue. This video explains it in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

As if we are all going to wait and be ready for the sorc to use bolt escape, and even 2-3 abilities ready only to counter the sorc bolt escape.

And as the video says, the best is to let the sorc leave, cuz you wont do anyone anything good by spending alot of time following and kill a 1 sorc, because as the video says, then the sorc cant do anything anyway to help the raid.

Thats just wrong, since nobody bothers to follow a sorc as it is a waste of time and a huge risk to be ambushed, its not like they cant heal up and rejoin the fight in a few secs.

Über powered, thats what the Bolt Escape is, nerf it down to 1 cast a minute, or give it to everyone via the Mage Guild.

And what is just as bad, its impossible to escape from a sorc. No matter what abilities I got ready, I cant escape a sorc.

So is anyone who sprints away while you are out of stamina.
If I'm in a large group I don't have bolt escape on my bar as its a low probability that I get into a situation where I need it, cc, heal and AoE is more important.

In small groups its useful, as you can get out of a vipe situation and have some chance to come back and rez the others.

hk11

DAoC sort of had the right idea by not even having forums.

Maulkin

NookyZooky wrote: »

you think this is OP? are you not aware of the NPC mages capable of doing 3028 damage?? Bolt escape is spammed way to much, but there are worse things in this game right now.

Yes, I am. Are you aware that if you put oil next to a keep wall and pour it, the people on top of the wall get burned? As if the oil is travelling up the wall?

You know what my comment and yours have in common? They are both very valid points and they both have their own threads too.

I also contribute on the NPC Merc discussion. Should all other discussion be suspended until the mercs get nerfed?

Maulkin

hk11 wrote: »

DAoC sort of had the right idea by not even having forums.

Meh, the discussion will just move to some other forum or reddit. In the age of technology there are many avenues for debate