BOLT Escape is now the MOST OP ability in the game!

JosephChip · May 2014

Come on, just stop denying it. BE is out of control. There must be a reason why everyone claiming it is fine is a sorcerer...
BE is a 100% instant life saver. This is WRONG. It doesn't help that you claim it to be exactly its purpose. It's a skill designed to reposition and take distance from the enemy, alright. Not a skill designed to make a sorcerer unkillable. Everyone who has a decent amount of experience in PvP knows that when a sorcerer decides to blast off at the speed of light nothing can stop it, except for another sorcerer. It doesn't disturbe you the fact that you, as a sorcerer, are able to easily survive any fight just by spamming BE? Oh yeah, I bet it doesn't. You couldn't be more complacent. Quit the act, be honest and face the fact that this is not ok. You can't pretend to have a tool no other class has that lets you live through any situation, no matter what.

FunkyBudda · May 2014

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

My main is a sorc. Lucky choice I guess. But I don't feel OP at all. I guess I must be "doing it wrong", but before I had the Bolt skill I would almost always lose a 1v1 in PvP (continually stunned, rooted, and otherwise incapacitated). Same situation now when I have Bolt, so when there is that itty bitty break between stuns, yeah, I bolt the hell out of there. Bolt is the only thing that keeps me alive.

yep, perfectly said regarding the sorc's situation in PvP.

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO · May 2014

dear zenimax, please transform all "nurv tha shiat out of bolt escape" posters temporary (24-48 hours) into a sorc....

and only transform them back after they cried you a river to do so

williambbechtoldub17_ESO · May 2014

Just remove PvP and all the whining will stop. My main is a NB, and I have zero issue with Bolt Escape. I am far more concerned with NB and Templar being buffed.

Glurin · May 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

MasterSpatula wrote: »

Same thing applies here. Sorc bolting mean you won. Stop feeling like you lost when you actually won. And reserve the term "OP" for things that make you lose.

Like when he Dark Exchanges to full health and magicka and comes back 5 secs later to DPS the living daylights out of me? Has he won then?

A sorc bolt escaping hasn't forfeited or lost the fight, he can just use it to buy the few secs he needs to replenish and fight some more.

Right, he burns all his magicka running away from you. Then he burns most of his stamina on Dark Exchange getting his magicka and health back. Then he burns all his magicka getting back to you before you run off. BE is so OP that he can kill you with no magicka and little stamina.

Monkeyshoeslive · May 2014

Ahh, the tears of a pvp cry baby sustain me.

Stop ruining it for everyone. Whenever you pvp gronks whine and call for nerfs, it spoils it for the true players of this game. PvE'ers

Knootewoot · May 2014

No nerf is needed. If a sorc is bolt escaping from me, it means i won. If he/she comes back later fully healed, to bad because i stealthed and am long gone or i wait in an ambush so he/she can bolt again.

Zhoyzu · May 2014

bolt escape is only OP if you're really bad at using basic thinking and strategizing.

i out run sorcs with my nightblade. NB OP plz nerf move too fast, can catch me.

TitusF · May 2014

Since this seems to be a PvP related issue from those complaining, what Zenimax ought a do is figure out a way to have certain abilities nerfed only in PvP zones to create more balance. Unless that already happens. I dunno, I don't play much PvP...

Whenever they nerf anything, it can hinder PvE quite a bit as well. It's a pain having to constantly readjust to changes made so that we don't get our butts kicked harder from such changes. If it's something that is overpowered in every aspect of the game, then yeah, nerf something in it's entirety.

Worthless Opinion Alert:

I don't understand why there are so many people complaining about it in the first place since it does exactly what it's named as. To escape! So to the specific people complaining about it being unfair to those who aren't able to kill a Sorcerer they engage, whom is close to killing, of which then that player uses BE to survive from that onslaught; Well my friend, you just weren't good enough to finish the job.

Is it a life saver? Of course. Making a Sorcerer unkillable? Definitely not. If anything, nerf Dark Exchange a little bit.

Elvent · May 2014

This is why I wished PvP wasn't in the game, ruins everything and all the fun spells all for a minority of people...such a shame.

Too bad they couldn't just make a seperate PvP game somehow, the elder scrolls never had PvP, of course it didn't have multiplayer either but that was the point of making this MMO, it would have been just fine without any PvP.

And people want small scale PvP? Lol if they do decide to add small scale PvP expect all our fun builds/spells be nerfed into the ground.

Monkeyshoeslive · May 2014

Elvent wrote: »

This is why I wished PvP wasn't in the game, ruins everything and all the fun spells all for a minority of people...such a shame.

Too bad they couldn't just make a seperate PvP game somehow, the elder scrolls never had PvP, of course it didn't have multiplayer either but that was the point of making this MMO, it would have been just fine without any PvP.

And people want small scale PvP? Lol if they do decide to add small scale PvP expect all our fun builds/spells be nerfed into the ground.

Once again I wish there was a super dooper mega agree button

ForTheRealm · May 2014

NordJitsu wrote: »

There is plenty you can do about it.

Go read one of the other 10 threads about the ability if you're interested in learning how to counter it.

There is plenty threads proving that Bolt Escape does not have any counters.
Go read one of the other 10 threads about it.

hk11 · May 2014

Elvent wrote: »

This is why I wished PvP wasn't in the game, ruins everything and all the fun spells all for a minority of people...such a shame.

Too bad they couldn't just make a seperate PvP game somehow, the elder scrolls never had PvP, of course it didn't have multiplayer either but that was the point of making this MMO, it would have been just fine without any PvP.

And people want small scale PvP? Lol if they do decide to add small scale PvP expect all our fun builds/spells be nerfed into the ground.

It would have taken 7 years and two million dollars, but they could have used the system EQ2 had. Every skill had a pve effect and a pvp effect. So bolt escape could be tweaked for pvp without upsetting pve.

crislevin · May 2014

These are all DKs trolling here. NB and temp are on the ground already, they just need to get Dev to nerf sorc into ground so they can be the king of the game.

Why, otherwise, we don't see constant calling for nerfing dk?

In fact, I'm gonna start one now.

Chims · May 2014

First, calm down and constructively think about the situation. Instead of crying about skills why don't you actively try to list skills that work and don't work as counters.

Granted I don't use BE but logic tells me:
It would seem if he BE'ed away he basically already lost the fight so whats stopping you from winning the same fight again? The only thing I can see that would be different on the second fight is that he rallied more group members. If that's the case and you are outmatched he probably would have won anyways and why would you chase him into a group of enemies you can't beat anyways.

If you are too stupid to learn how to counter skills in the game no dev is going to be able to fix that for you.

ForTheRealm · May 2014

Chims wrote: »

First, calm down and constructively think about the situation. Instead of crying about skills why don't you actively try to list skills that work and don't work as counters.

Granted I don't use BE but logic tells me:
It would seem if he BE'ed away he basically already lost the fight so whats stopping you from winning the same fight again? The only thing I can see that would be different on the second fight is that he rallied more group members. If that's the case and you are outmatched he probably would have won anyways and why would you chase him into a group of enemies you can't beat anyways.

If you are too stupid to learn how to counter skills in the game no dev is going to be able to fix that for you.

Not my video, but I guess it responds pretty well to your claims:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnrqZzKPbQw

bg22 · May 2014

I fought a sorc yesterday for over 7 minutes. 8 stamina potions later, as I had to chase him down every time I "beat" him, which was roughly 6 times, then finally the 7th fight he got lucky and beat me.

So, my 6 "victories" = 0 AP earned, his 1 victory and 6 "losses" = 400~ AP earned.

Seems balanced to me.

If by balanced I mean complete ridiculousness.

drwoody44b14_ESO · May 2014

hk11 wrote: »

DAoC sort of had the right idea by not even having forums.

VN forums

Begone fake daoc player

drwoody44b14_ESO · May 2014

piotreb17_ESO4 wrote: »

NordJitsu wrote: »

There is plenty you can do about it.

Go read one of the other 10 threads about the ability if you're interested in learning how to counter it.

There is plenty threads proving that Bolt Escape does not have any counters.
Go read one of the other 10 threads about it.

I cant find any

NordJitsu · May 2014

@bg22‌

Sounds like you got out played.

NordJitsu · May 2014

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

hk11 wrote: »

DAoC sort of had the right idea by not even having forums.

Meh, the discussion will just move to some other forum or reddit. In the age of technology there are many avenues for debate

Ya but then there'd be less chance that devs would actually see this nonsense and nerf a skill that's perfectly balanced because people refuse to L2P.

@ReQu‌

All characters in the video are VR9.

dbennett707cub18_ESO · May 2014

It's simple guys, you just need to use interdiction to stop them from going into warp.

TRIP233 · May 2014

jereri3189b14_ESO2 wrote: »

There after a few days of watching more and more Sorcs ABUSE this skill I can say without question that this ability is now the most over powered ability in game. FIX this DEVS!!!!
I'm sick of fighting an Sorc knowing that they are about to stun and ABUSE bolt escape to totally waste my time.
If hes winning oh sure I'm screwed... but If I manage to get the upperhand WHOOOOOSH! And theirs nothing I can do about it... nothing anyone near me can do about it... OP!

They nerfed Mist Form saying that they reduced the speed increase to match that of the Sorcs Bolt Escape. But that is a lie, Bolt Escape is still faster. It needs a nerf or Mist Form needs to be put back the way it was.

dbennett707cub18_ESO · May 2014

TRIP233 wrote: »

jereri3189b14_ESO2 wrote: »

There after a few days of watching more and more Sorcs ABUSE this skill I can say without question that this ability is now the most over powered ability in game. FIX this DEVS!!!!
I'm sick of fighting an Sorc knowing that they are about to stun and ABUSE bolt escape to totally waste my time.
If hes winning oh sure I'm screwed... but If I manage to get the upperhand WHOOOOOSH! And theirs nothing I can do about it... nothing anyone near me can do about it... OP!

They nerfed Mist Form saying that they reduced the speed increase to match that of the Sorcs Bolt Escape. But that is a lie, Bolt Escape is still faster. It needs a nerf or Mist Form needs to be put back the way it was.

They nerfed mist from to match boundless storm, not bolt escape.

TRIP233 · May 2014

Prettiboi wrote: »

Bolt Escape DID get nerfed. It now slows magicka regen for 4s after Bolt Escape is cast so you cannot Bolt Escape as often.

It needs a speed nerf so the devs wouldn't be liars about the Mist Form being equal in speed. Bolt Escape is still faster so the devs are currently liars.

dbennett707cub18_ESO · May 2014

TRIP233 wrote: »

Prettiboi wrote: »

Bolt Escape DID get nerfed. It now slows magicka regen for 4s after Bolt Escape is cast so you cannot Bolt Escape as often.

It needs a speed nerf so the devs wouldn't be liars about the Mist Form being equal in speed. Bolt Escape is still faster so the devs are currently liars.

Already explained to you, mist form was matched to boundless storm, not bolt escape, stop your trolling please.

Dusty5 · May 2014

There is NEVER a good reason to nerf any item or skill once an mmo is released. Nerfing is not game development its screwing over the people who put in the time/effort to earn said skill/item,.Once you start nerfing the demands for more nerfs from butthurt people will never stop. What nerfing will do is make those who got nerfed angry and after several nerfs cancel accounts, go looking for a new mmo to try. Those new players coming after will wonder if there is any point to play..after all said gaming company screwed all there other people over after they paid. Why should I even risk it? Adapt to your enviorment and change tactis or leave and find something more suited to your skill lvl.

Huckdabuck · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

I fought a sorc yesterday for over 7 minutes. 8 stamina potions later, as I had to chase him down every time I "beat" him, which was roughly 6 times, then finally the 7th fight he got lucky and beat me.

So, my 6 "victories" = 0 AP earned, his 1 victory and 6 "losses" = 400~ AP earned.

Seems balanced to me.

If by balanced I mean complete ridiculousness.

So that guy was the 1 out of 100 that you can't beat and caused all your nerd rage against sorcs huh?

NordJitsu · May 2014

Dusty5 wrote: »

There is NEVER a good reason to nerf any item or skill once an mmo is released. Nerfing is not game development its screwing over the people who put in the time/effort to earn said skill/item,.Once you start nerfing the demands for more nerfs from butthurt people will never stop. What nerfing will do is make those who got nerfed angry and after several nerfs cancel accounts, go looking for a new mmo to try. Those new players coming after will wonder if there is any point to play..after all said gaming company screwed all there other people over after they paid. Why should I even risk it? Adapt to your enviorment and change tactis or leave and find something more suited to your skill lvl.

The exception is with things like Bat Swarm which were just broken.

That wasn't a balance issue though, its was mechanics/bugs.

In general though I think buffing other things to compensate or adding more counterplay options is better than nerfing things, as a rule.

For instance, I personally think Green Dragon's Blood and Reflective Scales are a bit too powerful in PvP. But I'd rather get buffs and options to counter instead of nerfing those skills. I think things like Force Shock, Daedric Curse, Swallow Soul, Lightning Pool, and Wall of Elements should be buffed so that there are counter play options for ranged characters when a DK uses Reflective Scales. I think Healing Ritual needs its cast time reduced and Dark Exchange needs to be reworked so it isn't a long channel, thus giving the other classes options similar to Dragon's Blood (rather than nerfing Dragon's Blood to bring it in line with other self-heals.)

Solanum · May 2014

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Bolt Escape can be countered by most classes, and Sorcs are not the fastest overland class. This is a pure Learn to Play issue. This video explains it in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

hehe, i am sure 90% of nightblades dont even know path of darkness

Sure, make my path of darkness stun, or grant immunity to projectiles.
Also make it so that when I use it, CC effects won't affect me until I'm about 20 meters away already.

I'd gladly give up it's craptastic damage and healing component in return.

Until it's made somewhat useful for something more then trying and failing to catch up to a sorcerer I need my slots for skills that are slightly less horrible then this specific disgrace to my class, thank you.