BOLT Escape is now the MOST OP ability in the game!

bg22

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

FlatLine84 wrote: »

That's cute you made a funny haha. I take it your a socr, there's no need to spin the truth the Nerf is inbound hope your ready to react.

Step 1 - make countless nerf BE threads

Step 2 - comment in every BE thread possible trying to convince the devs it is OP

Step 3 - when you realize that a lot of people disagree with you, start claiming the nerf is inevitable as a last ditch effort to convince people it is OP

Literally the only ppl that don't think bolt is OP, are sorcs. So when you see "all these ppl disagreeing with you", you're mistaken. Those are sorcs desperately trying to hang onto an OP ability.

Sound familiar... I recall "all these ppl" saying talons wasn't OP. Oh wait... Those were all DKs. Weird.

What ever happened to talons anyway?

I dont have a Sorc. I do have a NB and DK....Still dont think its OP even though Ive had Sorcs burn me to the ground in PvP. Its PvP, some one somewhere is going to be better then you. And their going to destroy you. It happens. According to your own version of the story. The guy has the sense to step back for a heal, bait you, you give chase like an idiot and repeat the process. Over and over again this guy has the smarts to back off when he doesnt have the upper hand. Instead of realizing youre being baited. And that eventually hes going to capitalize on a possible mistake. Your rationale is that because he backed off, he lost and just couldnt deal with it....Even though the game mechanic is built in so that Sorcs can utilize this very tactic. Which means its working as intended.

If the guy up above is correct. That you outed yourself as a former marine. Youd know this is a legitimate tactic. Your problem is you dont want to accept your own short comings. The fact that you arent as aware of the whole picture as you lead yourself to believe. You dying because someone baited you is your fault. Not BE.

Its also interesting that you claim to know who is what based on what side of the fence their on. This sort of 'with me or against me' mindset screams agenda.

Lol there was no baiting... He just tried continuously to get away when he lost. Each time I caught him trying to stealth behind a building, rock etc.

Listen, when there's this big of a fuss over a skill, whether for good or bad, something is obviously wrong.

When ppl continuously complain in /zone, /guild, you name it, there's something wrong.

When over half the population is playing a particular class (just a guess from observation), there's a reason. That reason is FoTM. Right now it's sorc simply for bolt escape and CF. It use to be shield bashing DKs, but they were fixed. As this will be fixed. They fixed DK pretty well and didn't go overboard, so hopefully they handle Sorc the same.

My recommendation is something to the effect of multiplying the magicka cost x1.5 per use within 5 seconds of itself.

Almost forgot, Marines don't retreat, they attack in a different direction.

Yeah Yeah. Marines are so hardcore. You guys think of everything.

He baited you. Get over it. And even if he didnt. Youre still an idiot. Who continuously chases after someone after 'beating' them 6 times? You had to know you were putting yourself at risk of being out played. That whole 'Marines attack in a different direction' sure in the **** didnt work for you that time did it?

You act like I'm risking my actual life by "risking" attacking again. lol It's a game man.

I knew I'd eventually finish him off, or he'd eventually win and I'd accept that. You can't win every fight, even the worst player can beat the best player any given fight. It happens.

Even tho, as I mentioned, it is a video game, it is still possible to have honor. Sorcs have none. Every single one of them is honor-less. I play a character on the game w/ honor. If I fight someone 1v1, and I'm losing, I will never attempt to run for my life. They earned the kill, good on them. If I see a member of the same alliance getting beat in a 1v1, so be it. I'll watch the fight til the end, and if he defeats the EP player, then I will kill him. If I see 2 EP being owned by a single player, you better believe they aren't going to receive my help.

Yes, it is a video game... again. But, regardless of the general consensus, it IS OKAY to have honor while playing.

THAT is why I am biased against Sorcs. If I face a Sorc that doesn't use Bolt in a manner to just blink away to safety everytime I get him down sub 20% health, and he beats me face to face, good on him and I would NEVER complain about the ability.

But that's simply not the case. It is abused. So, it will be fixed.

I've said it before.

NERF-BATTERS UUUUP!

ElastarEmberclaw

I also wish they got rid of hiding. Make people use terrain, you know be creative lol...akk

concobar

hk11 wrote: »

DAoC sort of had the right idea by not even having forums.

DaoC had the best forums. They were called Palo.net

Ojustaboo

Got to level 50 on my sorc today, never used and never intend using bolt escape. Looking at the vids it would make my pvp boring and unchallenging if I used it how many people seem to.

We're not all bad

Glurin

concobar wrote: »

canghai wrote: »

bolt escape is ment to be an escape, so when this skill suceeds in what was ment to do it doesnt mean its OP, maybe it just ment u should have not chased

So why was mist form gutted?

It wasn't really. The speed was reduced because it was too fast in combination with everything else it did (and is supposed to do) and the cost increase was a side effect of the overall nerf to vampire cost reduction, which was done in part to address the raid boss thing people had going on.

Desdemonte wrote: »

With the amount of lag in PvP, Bolt Escape cannot be countered. Hell, I can't even catch up with someone after they've dodge-rolled because I'm already a second behind! Then it takes multiple key mashes for a skill to go off? lol I don't think so.

That lag effects Bolt Escape as well. If it takes you multiple key mashes to get your attack to go off, it probably also takes them multiple key mashes to get their bolt to happen.

Morbus2

NordJitsu wrote: »

@bg22‌

Sounds like you got out played.

Pretty much. So instead of L2P he comes to the forums whining and crying and begging for nerfs.

bg22

@Morbus2‌ @NordJitsu‌

There is literally a stereotypical sorc player mentality, and y'all two are the epitome.

"You beat him to 20% health 6x in a row, he blinked away every time and finally got you once? Seems like he simply out pvp'd you. L2P, bolt isn't OP despite it being the topic of half the forum threads. Try the hundreds of counters out there instead of whining, they work occasionally when the sorc's hotkey gets stuck and he can no longer blink away by rolling his face across the keyboard."

I'll be sure to tag you both once blink is nerfed in my thread entitled "sorc nerf, rofl, now you have to take your own advice and L2P".

NordJitsu

concobar wrote: »

canghai wrote: »

bolt escape is ment to be an escape, so when this skill suceeds in what was ment to do it doesnt mean its OP, maybe it just ment u should have not chased

So why was mist form gutted?

@concobar‌

Mist Form wasn't gutted, it was fixed. Its still incredibly useful.

Mist form makes you recieve 75% less damage from all sources, makes you immune to all CC except for roots, makes it impossible for other players to target you, and makes you nearly invisible at night or in chaotic situations. That's in addition to the speed boost which makes you move as fast as Boundless Storm does.

Bolt Escape does none of those things so it isn't comparable. You are not immune to CC even while mid bolt. You receive the exact same amount of damage. You're made even easier to see than normal, because both morphs leave a trail. And, finally, it does not interfere with tab targeting.

On top of that, a stage 4 Vampire can cast Mist Form literally forever with enough magicka regen. I'm not exaggerating. I've cured my vampirism, but when I had it I would actually REGEN magicka while in mist form (it came back faster than I could spend it with the ability.)

Mist Form is still just as good if not better than Bolt Escape (this coming from a former Vamp and Current Sorc, so I know both abilities well.)

charley222

Snit wrote: »

Bolt Escape can be countered by most classes, and Sorcs are not the fastest overland class. This is a pure Learn to Play issue. This video explains it in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

let the Sorcs attacking you all the time and after

just let him go ??? great tutorial lol




how too make tutorial video more lame of this idk ??? eso white belt dojo fail

ErilAq

If you'd read one of the several hundred other threads about bolt escape you'd learn that there are more than a few counters to it. On top of that, you'd also learn that as a defensive ability it gives you nil offensive output for that slot (unless you count the pitiful damage the ability morph does) so you are trading dps for survivability. How is this OP? Sorry you can't get your kill, but said sorc doesn't get one either. (better yet, he's now useless to his team, so unless you follow him your team has the advantage).

In addition, ESO pvp is VERY group oriented. If you want to be a solo hero go play a different game. Bring a friend, bring a group, If you hate bolt escape you are more than likely running around solo trying to gank people, and the sorc denies you of that, so you scream OP. I could go so far as to say Bolt Escape is useless in group pvp, since you bring nothing to your team by slotting that ability. I've heard the whole "they can set up a forward camp" argument, and so can everyone else, plus if they're assaulting a keep/resource (which is what you're supposed to do) chances are your team will stay nearby to prevent another assault. There's also the whole "they can resurrect their entire team" argument. the amount of time and soul gems make that practically impossible. Plus unless your group is on a ganking mission, I'd love to see the lone sorc go up against the raid and guards while trying to resurrect his allies.

TLDR: game pvp is group based, not 1v1. (and even 1v1, I'd hardly call sorcs demigods)

concobar

NordJitsu wrote: »

concobar wrote: »

canghai wrote: »

bolt escape is ment to be an escape, so when this skill suceeds in what was ment to do it doesnt mean its OP, maybe it just ment u should have not chased

So why was mist form gutted?

@concobar‌

Mist Form wasn't gutted, it was fixed. Its still incredibly useful.

Mist form makes you recieve 75% less damage from all sources, makes you immune to all CC except for roots, makes it impossible for other players to target you, and makes you nearly invisible at night or in chaotic situations. That's in addition to the speed boost which makes you move as fast as Boundless Storm does.


On top of that, a stage 4 Vampire can cast Mist Form literally forever with enough magicka regen. I'm not exaggerating. I've cured my vampirism, but when I had it I would actually REGEN magicka while in mist form (it came back faster than I could spend it with the ability.)

Mist Form is still just as good if not better than Bolt Escape (this coming from a former Vamp and Current Sorc, so I know both abilities well.)

Mistform is not incredibly useful and I would wager a poll of Vamps on this board would show that many people do not use it any longer. I know as a NB/vamp I do not bother with it.

Damage reduction of mistform is a joke and the only people who think it is a great ability are those that exploited mistform+bat stacks, ie; DKs and Sorcs. Currently that damage reduction will not prevent you from being chain rotted and beat to death. Because of the prevalence of DKs in pvp mistform is no longer even a good escape ability.

The speed boost of mistform is a joke.

Mistform cost 600~ magicka to cast. I have over capped Magicka and max magicka regen and can not chain cast mistform. I think you may be exaggerating or taking into account your Sorc magicka reduction ability.

Claiming mistform is as good at escaping a fight is not true. Sorc can bolt away from a talon spammer, get some distance and bail. Mistform and shadow cloak are both completely murked by a talon spammer or shield basher.

In summation your post does not reflect reality.

Rylana

MasterSpatula wrote: »

I remember back in my SWG days, all the wailing and gnashing of teeth over Jedi cloak abilities. It was fundamental to their class; it was what they do. A jedi that cloaked and ran meant that you'd won in every sense but for getting the GCW points.

Same thing applies here. Sorc bolting mean you won. Stop feeling like you lost when you actually won. And reserve the term "OP" for things that make you lose.

Jedi cloak was nothing, it was the lolspai that really got on peoples nerves, single handedly destroyed guild warring (only using spies led to never having a fight, ever), and turned restuss upside down.

Stupidest class to ever exist.

concobar

bg22 wrote: »

crislevin wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Erock25 wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

Huckdabuck wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

I fought a sorc yesterday for over 7 minutes. 8 stamina potions later, as I had to chase him down every time I "beat" him, which was roughly 6 times, then finally the 7th fight he got lucky and beat me.

So, my 6 "victories" = 0 AP earned, his 1 victory and 6 "losses" = 400~ AP earned.

Seems balanced to me.

If by balanced I mean complete ridiculousness.

So that guy was the 1 out of 100 that you can't beat and caused all your nerd rage against sorcs huh?

Feminine quality #1 - you're a sorc
Feminine quality #2 - you're literally stalking me on the forums and it's honestly weird.

You claimed you win 99% of fights and yet still were crying nerf and you expect everyone to forget?

Nope, not at all. And I'm not saying it's untrue now. That was the only time I lost to a sorc in a 1v1 yesterday. And being that he literally blinked away 6 times after being stomped makes bolt laughable.

Almost as laughable as all these sorcs in here screaming "It's fine! Dear baby Jesus, it's fine! It's not even that powerful! Please don't nerf it! Don't... Please... Please? I don't want to accept my loses.. Please? Mommy?"

So your op class is well deserved and other shouldn't even have an escape ability, how eccentric.

If you're talking about shadowy disguise: 1. I don't use it.
2. It lasts for 3~ seconds, gives no speed boost and can broken by AoE's and even some DoTs. Even by one of our applied DoTs.
3. It takes cunning to make it work. So you can't point in a random direction and headbutt the keyboard for success.

So yea, sure man, whatever you say.

Also it is hard countered by mage light.

ForTheRealm

damfatcow wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Bolt Escape can be countered by most classes, and Sorcs are not the fastest overland class. This is a pure Learn to Play issue. This video explains it in detail:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kfzJ1lNlU4

That video is so biased and wrong on so many levels if you buy into that I pity you lol.

Agree.
The video shows mainly Sorc doing 1 Bolt Escape at a time. In reality, it would be 2+ Bolt Escapes leading to no possibility to counter it at all, or BE with a stun.

Nickdorlandb16_ESO

JosephChip wrote: »

Come on, just stop denying it. BE is out of control. There must be a reason why everyone claiming it is fine is a sorcerer...
BE is a 100% instant life saver. This is WRONG. It doesn't help that you claim it to be exactly its purpose. It's a skill designed to reposition and take distance from the enemy, alright. Not a skill designed to make a sorcerer unkillable. Everyone who has a decent amount of experience in PvP knows that when a sorcerer decides to blast off at the speed of light nothing can stop it, except for another sorcerer. It doesn't disturbe you the fact that you, as a sorcerer, are able to easily survive any fight just by spamming BE? Oh yeah, I bet it doesn't. You couldn't be more complacent. Quit the act, be honest and face the fact that this is not ok. You can't pretend to have a tool no other class has that lets you live through any situation, no matter what.

It needs a fix or a cooldown, but most OP ? Nah thats thalons + standart

NordJitsu

@concobar‌

If you really don't think 75% damage reduction, full CC immunity, and 30% faster move speed is useful as an escape ability, then I think its clear that you have no place commenting on any thread about balance since you understand nothing about this game's mechanics.

Also, anyone who is being "perm-rooted" while using Mist Form is an absolutely horrendous player and needs to go back to PvE immediately, never to return to Cyrodiil. I mean really....you'd have to be so bad its almost unimaginable. You'd literally have to keep casting Mist Form while the Talons were on you for them to "beat you to death." Any half way intelligent player would let the Mist wear off, dodge roll A SINGLE TIME, and then Mist again.

There's no excuse for not being able to get away with that ability in any situation that's 1v4 or less.

If you really aren't using it any more then I'm glad, because it means you're an easy kill.

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

the most overpowered ability in game is to get full monthly fees for buggy content

.... and even people beating on each other over bugs

nerf that !

...beat that

InvictoNZ

Make bolt escape usable when under 5% hit points. If you get away and regen 1% more, its unavailable again.

There you go, I fixed it for you.

concobar

NordJitsu wrote: »

@concobar‌

If you really don't think 75% damage reduction, full CC immunity, and 30% faster move speed is useful as an escape ability, then I think its clear that you have no place commenting on any thread about balance since you understand nothing about this game's mechanics.

Damage reduction is meaningless if you are already losing the fight and need to get away. Mistform does not grant full CC immunity unless you do not count shield slam or talons as a form of CC which of course they are and further are the most common form of CC in PvP.

The real benefit of mistform was its speed increase which has been reduced by a laughable level. mistform is currently barely faster than normal movement and vamps increased stealth speed + shadow cloak is a better escape skill in most instances.

The fact that you have to attack my credibility instead of my argument says all that need be said about your argument.

NordJitsu wrote: »

@concobar‌
Also, anyone who is being "perm-rooted" while using Mist Form is an absolutely horrendous player and needs to go back to PvE immediately, never to return to Cyrodiil. I mean really....you'd have to be so bad its almost unimaginable. You'd literally have to keep casting Mist Form while the Talons were on you for them to "beat you to death." Any half way intelligent player would let the Mist wear off, dodge roll A SINGLE TIME, and then Mist again.

lol And get immediately re-rooted with talons. rinse repeat. meanwhile a sorc that bolt escapes is a good distance away and can hit again and gain even more distance regardless of what their opponents are doing, avoiding the PbAoE talons with one button mash.

The fact that you are arguing that mistform is as good or even equal to bolt escape is mind blowing. Bolt escape is in every way a superior ability. You point out that mist for gives you 75% damage reduction but bolt escape can move a player rapidly out of range of attacks which is in effect a 100% damage reduction. Bolt escape is faster and even though it leaves a trail how many people are going to chase a sorc a hundred yards to try and catch him?

NordJitsu wrote: »

@concobar‌
There's no excuse for not being able to get away with that ability in any situation that's 1v4 or less.

If you really aren't using it any more then I'm glad, because it means you're an easy kill.

Add a dollar to your incorrect assumptions and you may be able to buy a cup of coffee.

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

after the "nerf" is now live, let me tell you:

any serious Sorc nerver used bolt escape (maybe to go in, but never more than that)

we lured you into a nerf trap

good job

Solanum wrote: »

Sure, make my path of darkness stun, or grant immunity to projectiles.
Also make it so that when I use it, CC effects won't affect me until I'm about 20 meters away already.

projectile absorb never worked, immune to CC nope, every hard cc worked (as stun, throw over etc)

but letz talk about healing on bolt escape an no cooldown on reg magica



i just used bolt escape for plant farming in coldhaven ^^

SilverWF

16 in your account name - your age?

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

SilverWF wrote: »

16 in your account name - your age?

nope "b16" the Beta Phase i joined with this account (compare to others that have "b16_ESO" )

snagallnub18_ESO

Prettiboi wrote: »

Bolt Escape DID get nerfed. It now slows magicka regen for 4s after Bolt Escape is cast so you cannot Bolt Escape as often.

lmao 4 secs.... by the time you get to them its up again... facepalm

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

snagallnub18_ESO wrote: »

Prettiboi wrote: »

Bolt Escape DID get nerfed. It now slows magicka regen for 4s after Bolt Escape is cast so you cannot Bolt Escape as often.

lmao 4 secs.... by the time you get to them its up again... facepalm

in AvA/PvP the 4 Sec regen hurts very much (reduced reg in PvP and Dungeons) -as the 50% + cost does......

in PVE (open world)/ Farming that does not a matter

but as i said, nerver used it in PVP

Asava

snagallnub18_ESO wrote: »

Prettiboi wrote: »

Bolt Escape DID get nerfed. It now slows magicka regen for 4s after Bolt Escape is cast so you cannot Bolt Escape as often.

lmao 4 secs.... by the time you get to them its up again... facepalm

I guess you don't PvP much then. Quite a bit can happen in 4 seconds in combat.

Tamanous

Why are people comparing mist form with bolt escape?

A sorc is the only class in game with 3 skill bars ... bloody use them both.

andreas.rudroffb16_ESO

who compares them ? any out of class/weapon skill should just not have an impact on PvP

Vampire(Up AND Downsides) als Werewolf should have no impact on PvP (both are just PvE fun Skill trees) ... or have you ever seen werewolfes in Competetive PvP