Nightblade Update

frwinters_ESO · May 2014

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Thank you again for finally posting this. Lately with all the people saying the nightblades were bugged I didnt believe them as I didnt feel the class was bugged at all. Once we get fixed were gonna be the OP ones and everyone is gonna ask for nerfs! Cant wait!

Your beliefs are irrelevant. They are bugged, they've even acknowledged they're bugged. They said they were fixing them with this patch, and what did they do? they broke more skills and barely fixed anything.

Now they tell us we have to wait until 1.2.x for a fix. Just to put things in perspective since you're struggling with the subject, this is 1.1.2 patch, the next patch will be 1.1.x where as x = 3-9

Can you figure out what that means? I'll give you a hint, it has everything to do with the current responses in this thread and why people are upset. So you can take your attitude else where. You have a lot of nerve coming into a thread about nightblade bugs and pretty much trivializing their issues.

And it's funny that you say "they're not bugged but once they're fixed, we'll be OP" If it's not bugged, what's to fix?

Ok so what did they break after this patch? Sometimes I feel like i am the only NB players that likes his class and even feels I'm overpowered cause im killing things left and right without a problem

What did they break now please enlighten us?

ScardyFox · May 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

This whole thread should have been "Thank you @ZOS_JessicaFolsom cant wait"

By nature I'm not a sycophant...

So thanking someone is always about gaining an advantage for something? When someone gives some praise they always want something in return? Maybe thats why your name is Scardyfox, afraid of the world so they have to hide and be hateful.

Yes, it clearly is when even by their own admission the class is borked and has a lot of things that need fixing. Possibly months away. It never should have been released in this state with reams and reams of post by PTS players saying its not working.

Its a founding class (skill line) that still isn't working with no real adamant fix date in sight. Yet somehow people should throw up some confetti and accolades when we get a meretricious fix? No.

Yeah, I think you're a sycophant for posting up that ornamental post like that. Its not time for blatant white-knightism just like its not time for blatant vitriol (yet). But implying they have done a good job, regardless of how subjective that is, seems wretch worthy from my standpoint.

glitchmaster999 · May 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Thank you again for finally posting this. Lately with all the people saying the nightblades were bugged I didnt believe them as I didnt feel the class was bugged at all. Once we get fixed were gonna be the OP ones and everyone is gonna ask for nerfs! Cant wait!

Your beliefs are irrelevant. They are bugged, they've even acknowledged they're bugged. They said they were fixing them with this patch, and what did they do? they broke more skills and barely fixed anything.

Now they tell us we have to wait until 1.2.x for a fix. Just to put things in perspective since you're struggling with the subject, this is 1.1.2 patch, the next patch will be 1.1.x where as x = 3-9

Can you figure out what that means? I'll give you a hint, it has everything to do with the current responses in this thread and why people are upset. So you can take your attitude else where. You have a lot of nerve coming into a thread about nightblade bugs and pretty much trivializing their issues.

And it's funny that you say "they're not bugged but once they're fixed, we'll be OP" If it's not bugged, what's to fix?

Ok so what did they break after this patch? Sometimes I feel like i am the only NB players that likes his class and even feels I'm overpowered cause im killing things left and right without a problem

What did they break now please enlighten us?

Are you really that ignorant? Just because you aren't affected doesn't mean no one else is. I can tell you, haste doesn't work, killers blade no longer heals, siphoning strikes sometimes bugs out and doesn't regen anything, shadow cloak will cancel if you have a dot on them (say strife), using death stroke will sometimes not hit the target but still take your ultimate, shadow clones no longer tank for you and still do insanely low damage and finally, catalyst is still ***....

Only build that isn't really affected is a wannabe sorc (using drain power with impulse spam) or some other variations but there aren't that many.

Oh and yes I have tested these, today in fact.

Arsenic_Touch · May 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Ok so what did they break after this patch? Sometimes I feel like i am the only NB players that likes his class and even feels I'm overpowered cause im killing things left and right without a problem

What did they break now please enlighten us?

Let me guess, you're play 1-50 content and think that represents the rest of the game, right?

I am not going to hold your hand here. Look at the original post in this thread for a list of things that are BROKE directly from ZoS, there are plenty of threads documenting all of the issues with NB currently in game, plenty of threads on the things that aren't working with the patch.Take a moment and do some research before posting in a thread.

Aoifesan · May 2014

gunsofdeschain wrote: »

Am I the only one who seems to have my killers blade bug out and give no health back and keep getting killed, end up spending more time by the wayshrine than killing stuff and ragequit and come over to the forums?

Nope that still happens OFten. The 'we improved the responsiveness of NB abilities in combat' just isn't true.

I died three times last night jamming on a my button for Killer's Blade and not having it fire.

It's depressing.

Aoifesan · May 2014

Sheneria wrote: »

Unacceptable. Everything you listed is HOTFIX Material which should have been fixed in the last 2 months and has no place in a CONTENT Patch that is 4 weeks away.

You couldn't speak more truth if you tried.

Esha76 · May 2014

I leveled my NB all the way to VR7, then put her on the shelf when I read VR NPCs were giving more than double xp upon Craglorn release. She is a standard DW/Assassin/Siphon build, swap to bow/siphon. I am ignorant to the actual numbers of siphoned healing (which apparently wasn't working), damage, passives... etc. I wish I had paid more attention to such things, but I was rolling on blind faith all was "Working as intended."

Her DW assassin build... Against regular mobs, even in VR content, she would ambush, DW ability (I forget the name, the first ability in the track), killer blade, and a few light attacks thrown in in between, ending with another killer blade when at 20%. She killed her first regular mob target so fast and fluidly, the body was dead and looted before it hit the floor. And it was insanely fun. It literally felt like pulling off a Mortal Kombat combo. And I would not say she was OP in any way, as I would always have to switch up gear/skills slotted to handle different situations. She carried heavy armor pieces to deal with mobs of 3 and so on.... Plenty of boss type fights that took a few attempts and changing skills to get past. I am under the impression this is the fundamental concept of how this game is built, no single spammable ability/build that will carry you through the whole content.

Yesterday I logged in and was horrified at how terrible she was. She could barely kill anything, and her attacks were so slow she looked like a drunken brawler. Heartbreaking is the only word. I have no idea why such changes were made at all...

So, I have a pretty VR7 NB crafter who just checks her mail everyday, feeds her ponies, and makes cool looking gear for my low level alts. The other option is drop the gold to re-spec her into some other kind of build (such as I hear desto staff is the new rave). However I have a sorc alt, and a DK alt that uses staff... I got that type of build covered. I really miss my sneaky assassin glass-cannony NB. I really do hope these fixes/changes come as quickly as possible.

dideldumdei · May 2014

Agony hitting for nearly 600 damage would be nice if it would not come from an NPC at VR4.... Stun was not broke by incoming damage even when I got smashed but that was probably not taking effect since it only took 2 more hits and the animation out of stun takes longer than that..... My own maxed Agony Spell at VR7 does approximatley half the damage over 5 seconds and not instant...

Its just pathetic

DiktaHasi · May 2014

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

...
[*] Master Assassin will increase spell power in addition to weapon power.

Because i think it does not got answered from previos questions:
The tooltip says "While Using Assasination ablilities:..."
What does that exactly mean?
Is there any Assasination ability that uses weapon damage?
Or does it work while i am using Haste or Mark Target with normal light/heavy attacks and weapon skills?

Right now it just seems complete nonsense...

Drachdhar · May 2014

I dropped my nightblade shortly after hitting V2. To many issues and no noteworthy capability to contribute in PvP.

Instead I now play a dragonknight, a class that can contribute and actually achieve something even before you have exhausted your brain trying to figure out how to be efficient.
Not only was it about three times as easy to level to veteran content, alot more fun as well since I dont have to rely on some uber farm build or stealth to be able to take on a group of mobs.

F7sus4 · May 2014

I'm afraid their point is not to make the game playable, but profitable.

Phase 1: The console-launch will replenish their wallets (over)filling the gap after all frustrated players that leaved the game cut off their cash flow.
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Profit!

Vuron · May 2014

F7sus4 wrote: »

I'm afraid their point is not to make the game playable, but profitable.

Phase 1: The console-launch will replenish their wallets (over)filling the gap after all frustrated players that leaved the game cut off their cash flow.
Phase 2: ?
Phase 3: Profit!

At this point, anyone who would pay for the console version has no clue about the game or about what's been happening.

Giraffon · May 2014

Does anyone else think it would be nice to stay invisible longer than a few seconds? I can't contribute effectively to most groups because they are too impatient to let me sneak up on boss monsters. Without the sneak attack, NBs are pretty unimpressive when moving with a group.

SO...I often find myself wondering dungeons alone. A few extra seconds of invisibility would allow me to slip past mobs guarding doorways so that I could keep exploring and pick off stray monsters from the shadows while searching for treasure.

When I DO run in groups, I have to change from a DW assassin build to Destruction Staff build just so I don't totally stink up the battlefield!

frwinters_ESO · May 2014

ScardyFox wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

ScardyFox wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

This whole thread should have been "Thank you @ZOS_JessicaFolsom cant wait"

By nature I'm not a sycophant...

So thanking someone is always about gaining an advantage for something? When someone gives some praise they always want something in return? Maybe thats why your name is Scardyfox, afraid of the world so they have to hide and be hateful.

Yes, it clearly is when even by their own admission the class is borked and has a lot of things that need fixing. Possibly months away. It never should have been released in this state with reams and reams of post by PTS players saying its not working.

Its a founding class (skill line) that still isn't working with no real adamant fix date in sight. Yet somehow people should throw up some confetti and accolades when we get a meretricious fix? No.

Yeah, I think you're a sycophant for posting up that ornamental post like that. Its not time for blatant white-knightism just like its not time for blatant vitriol (yet). But implying they have done a good job, regardless of how subjective that is, seems wretch worthy from my standpoint.

Then why are you here? Everyone expects them to drop everything and just snap there fingers and fix a problem. Perhaps its not as easy. Perhaps they know its a problem and they do not know how to fix it yet without breaking something else. Everyone simply thinks that what they believe is right and it should be this way and no other way of thinking is correct cause what I think is correct. all of this is an over-exaggeration. Are there class problems, yes. Are they game breaking. No they are not.

As for being a sycophant i wonder if you even know what the word means. I'm not looking for any praise from anyone. I would rather play devils advocate then give into negativity. If you want to be miserable, be miserable and keep it to yourself.

glitchmaster999 wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Thank you again for finally posting this. Lately with all the people saying the nightblades were bugged I didnt believe them as I didnt feel the class was bugged at all. Once we get fixed were gonna be the OP ones and everyone is gonna ask for nerfs! Cant wait!

Your beliefs are irrelevant. They are bugged, they've even acknowledged they're bugged. They said they were fixing them with this patch, and what did they do? they broke more skills and barely fixed anything.

Now they tell us we have to wait until 1.2.x for a fix. Just to put things in perspective since you're struggling with the subject, this is 1.1.2 patch, the next patch will be 1.1.x where as x = 3-9

Can you figure out what that means? I'll give you a hint, it has everything to do with the current responses in this thread and why people are upset. So you can take your attitude else where. You have a lot of nerve coming into a thread about nightblade bugs and pretty much trivializing their issues.

And it's funny that you say "they're not bugged but once they're fixed, we'll be OP" If it's not bugged, what's to fix?

Ok so what did they break after this patch? Sometimes I feel like i am the only NB players that likes his class and even feels I'm overpowered cause im killing things left and right without a problem

What did they break now please enlighten us?

Are you really that ignorant? Just because you aren't affected doesn't mean no one else is. I can tell you, haste doesn't work, killers blade no longer heals, siphoning strikes sometimes bugs out and doesn't regen anything, shadow cloak will cancel if you have a dot on them (say strife), using death stroke will sometimes not hit the target but still take your ultimate, shadow clones no longer tank for you and still do insanely low damage and finally, catalyst is still ***....

Only build that isn't really affected is a wannabe sorc (using drain power with impulse spam) or some other variations but there aren't that many.

Oh and yes I have tested these, today in fact.

No I'm not ignorant cause all the problems you stated are well listed as known problems! We are aware of them and so is ZOS. Just because you want it fixed now doesn't mean a thing. And good for you for testing, you didn tthink every nightblade out there went to test a few things? Everything you mentioned that isnt working cause tis on the list. they didn't break anything MORE since the patch. Here is your troll meat, eat it.

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Ok so what did they break after this patch? Sometimes I feel like i am the only NB players that likes his class and even feels I'm overpowered cause im killing things left and right without a problem

What did they break now please enlighten us?

Let me guess, you're play 1-50 content and think that represents the rest of the game, right?

I am not going to hold your hand here. Look at the original post in this thread for a list of things that are BROKE directly from ZoS, there are plenty of threads documenting all of the issues with NB currently in game, plenty of threads on the things that aren't working with the patch.Take a moment and do some research before posting in a thread.

Your guess is wrong, I'm in Vet levels working my way up and PvP more often. Never assume.

Ser Lobo · May 2014

I think some of you guys are just being mad because you like it. I'm almost positive that, if they fixed the issues, you'd be on here complaining about the next thing.

That that overweight lady at work who spends all her time talking about how she hates the job and is going to go work somewhere else. She really just enjoys the soapbox, and would hate the next job if'n she ever got the courage to move over.

Not saying complaints aren't valid. Not saying the class isn't bugged. I am saying that we're still capable and not nearly as borked as some are intending to make out (unless those players are using abilities that don't synergize well, or simply don't understand mechanics).

There are *honest* reasons why a player would say nightblades are completely broken, but that basically entails that player choosing to use every broken ability we have at the wrong time with the wrong gear. And sadly, in a game as complex as this, there IS a wrong way.

nerevarine1138 · May 2014

ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »

I think some of you guys are just being mad because you like it. I'm almost positive that, if they fixed the issues, you'd be on here complaining about the next thing.

That that overweight lady at work who spends all her time talking about how she hates the job and is going to go work somewhere else. She really just enjoys the soapbox, and would hate the next job if'n she ever got the courage to move over.

Not saying complaints aren't valid. Not saying the class isn't bugged. I am saying that we're still capable and not nearly as borked as some are intending to make out (unless those players are using abilities that don't synergize well, or simply don't understand mechanics).

There are *honest* reasons why a player would say nightblades are completely broken, but that basically entails that player choosing to use every broken ability we have at the wrong time with the wrong gear. And sadly, in a game as complex as this, there IS a wrong way.

This. I play a dual-wield/bow build, and I'm still plowing through VR content solo without any trouble.

williams226 · May 2014

After reading the posts on page1 , then starting page 2 I decided to jump to the end.

I just want to say big thanks to ZOS_JessicaFolsom and the whole of the Zenimax team for giving up info and for working to fix the class.

I am levelling a lot slower than a lot ( currently 38 bloodmage & 22 bow/dw ) and I really love my NB.

Keep up the good work.

Ohioastro · May 2014

Yes, not all of us focus on the skills in question in our builds. This game is substantially less dependent on class skills than almost any other MMO out there, and you can adjust your experience substantially with guild, racial, armor, and weapon skills.

Arsenic_Touch · May 2014

Ohioastro wrote: »

Yes, not all of us focus on the skills in question in our builds. This game is substantially less dependent on class skills than almost any other MMO out there, and you can adjust your experience substantially with guild, racial, armor, and weapon skills.

Are we playing the same game here? The weapon skills are pretty much worthless compared to the class skills.

F7sus4 · May 2014

williams226 wrote: »

I am levelling a lot slower than a lot ( currently 38 bloodmage & 22 bow/dw ) and I really love my NB.

10 if player_level=22 or player_level=38 and problem=1 then L2P=1
20 goto 10

Dissentinel · May 2014

Could someone explain in a calm post everything that is wrong with a Nightblade? (Bugs and Balancing) I'm going to be running tests on my level 45 Nightblade today and more information would help.

Grao · May 2014

ZOS_CarolusS wrote: »

Greetings,
we remind you, that it is okay to disagree and debate, but please keep all disagreements civil, constructive and on-topic. It is never appropriate to resort to personal comments or jabs about those participating in the discussion.
If you have any questions, be sure to review the Code of Conduct and our guide on How to be a Community Hero.
Thank you for your understanding!

True, people should keep things civil. It is just... Your team is making it really hard ZoS. Seriously... We were promised the Nightblade bugs would be done by patch 1.1.2 and yet, here we are again and you say the players will have to wait another full month to have a working class? Really?

You better give nightblades a free to play month then. THat or you allow them to re-roll their character as something else that is not completely broken... I don't see any other way you are keeping your player base. If you are really following what is being said in this post, you will see how many of us are on the verge of unsubscribing... Give us something to motivate us and keep us playing your game.

And seriously... IT IS THE SECOND TIME YOUR TEAM NERFS A CLASS / SKILL BEFORE FIXING THE BUGS IN IT (werewolf Devour was the first). It pisses people off, it did than and it is doing now. You guys don't learn, do you??

Arsenic_Touch · May 2014

Eternalflame wrote: »

Could someone explain in a calm post everything that is wrong with a Nightblade? (Bugs and Balancing) I'm going to be running tests on my level 45 Nightblade today and more information would help.

http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/compilation-of-bugged-nightblade-abilities/

There are thread all over the forum, just look for them. There's even a sticky on a list that they're working on.

ScardyFox · May 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Then why are you here?

Because I want to be?

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Everyone expects them to drop everything and just snap there fingers and fix a problem.

Nope, but this has been an issue for months and the game was released with one of its starting classes (skill line) broken, for brevity sake. Months is not a snap of the fingers - they've had more than enough time.

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Perhaps its not as easy.

Games been in development for how many years and they couldn't release it right (in the context we're speaking of)? I guess it must be super hard... or whatever nebulous thing you're implying.

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Perhaps they know its a problem and they do not know how to fix it yet without breaking something else.

Perhaps they need better people at the helm?

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

Everyone simply thinks that what they believe is right and it should be this way and no other way of thinking is correct cause what I think is correct.

I'm positive thats a run on sentence, but because you wrote it and believe other wise means that it's not? No, its a run on sentence - just like one of their root classes being released in such a fashion is a debacle. Opinions are opinion, but they are not blanket statements that somehow erode absolute truths. I could say it is my opinion water is not wet, so somehow, does it mean water is dry?

Sorry, the truth is the game is swamped with bugs and one of their starting character skill lines is still not working right after months and months of pointing out that its FUBARed. On top of that, they're addmiting its a problem and it won't be fixed for months and you want to toss out words of congratulations?

Sorry, thats not how the world works - regardless of opinions.

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

all of this is an over-exaggeration. Are there class problems, yes. Are they game breaking. No they are not.

Oh? Its not? In what sense? That it works in a bare-bones kind of way? Sure? But how about in the way that its so crippled its been ostracized left right and center from raid groups?

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

As for being a sycophant i wonder if you even know what the word means. I'm not looking for any praise from anyone. I would rather play devils advocate then give into negativity. If you want to be miserable, be miserable and keep it to yourself.

Yes, I know exactly what the word means.

Yes, I see you as a sycophant.

No, I'll post my opinions and feedback on the forums of the game I bought and am currently paying for.

Anything else?

bg22 · May 2014

My absolute favorite is "Currently a NB's own damage over time ticks will knock them out of invisible."

How about NOW. That should have been Hot-fixed INSTANTLY upon discovering it. This single thing is class-breaking and should be fixed immediately. This is getting closer to becoming the first MMO I've ever straight-up quit because of the complete neglect that a class is bein given.

Quite frankly you as a company should feel embarrassed as to how terribly biased you've been in regards to nightblade and melee in general, because it's pathetic and shameful.

Junkogen · May 2014

According to the skill description of "Stealthy," the stealth radius is now DECREASED? Is that another bug or is that how it's supposed to be? Wouldn't someone who's stealthy be harder to detect?

Seriously, could someone explain this? Thanks.

Aoifesan · May 2014

Eternalflame wrote: »

Could someone explain in a calm post everything that is wrong with a Nightblade? (Bugs and Balancing) I'm going to be running tests on my level 45 Nightblade today and more information would help.

Save yourself the grief. Others have already tested per the link shared with you in another post.

At 45 the bugs won't be as apparent. At VR1 until you hit your first Big Boss solo, the bugs won't be apparent. At VR2 you will see at every mistake how all the bugs start making life miserable at every turn.

Ohioastro · May 2014

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

Ohioastro wrote: »

Yes, not all of us focus on the skills in question in our builds. This game is substantially less dependent on class skills than almost any other MMO out there, and you can adjust your experience substantially with guild, racial, armor, and weapon skills.

Are we playing the same game here? The weapon skills are pretty much worthless compared to the class skills.

I use both my stamina and magica; it actually helps. You might want to try my game, as apparently I'm much less unhappy playing it than you are in playing yours.

Ohioastro · May 2014

Aoifesan wrote: »

Eternalflame wrote: »

Could someone explain in a calm post everything that is wrong with a Nightblade? (Bugs and Balancing) I'm going to be running tests on my level 45 Nightblade today and more information would help.

Save yourself the grief. Others have already tested per the link shared with you in another post.

At 45 the bugs won't be as apparent. At VR1 until you hit your first Big Boss solo, the bugs won't be apparent. At VR2 you will see at every mistake how all the bugs start making life miserable at every turn.

...and not everyone plays the same builds, so your experience is very likely to depend on your approach and playstyle. No one speaks for everyone who plays a game, especially one with flexible builds.

ipkonfigcub18_ESO · May 2014

kirnmalidus wrote: »

So we get fixed in 1.2.X, and we can expect 1.2 in 6 weeks or more, and the .X update some time after that?

So we are looking at about two more months before this stuff is fixed? Really?

Yep. That's if we are lucky