the kill enemies in the middle of the screen is awful you cant see anything

Love the trial, do not mind the brazen and argent bosses, not overly fond of the dungeons, considering how many times we have to do the dungeons in order to get a guild team or even just friends all with their trial key, you could let us stack up trial keys.

Also considering how many times we have to do the dungeons, you could have at least fixed the bug that prevents us getting credit for them in the golden pursuit.

And now we cannot go any where without tripping over a faceted something, you over compensated for them being gone so long. Please next time reduce the number to something more reasonable so we can actually choose whether or not we want to fight them, along with whatever else we are fighting with at the time.

I am happy enough with the way the rewards are, my two accounts that do not do a lot of trials benefited from the trial gear for their stickerbook. My main account did not need anything but the new monster set. I doubt the other two accounts will be doing the trial 3 times, but my main will do it more than 3.

After now a few weeks of NM, and a lot of fun going in almost every day with my guild for argent keys, helping people including GF fills get their achievements and relics, helping new members of our guild get the Trial and Dungeon achievements… there is a thing that is getting old….

Getting the argents and dungeons done to enter the trial 3-4x a week… it would be nice if we could STACK the keys. For example with multiple runs of argents sometimes twice daily with my guild, stack those keys for multiple entries into dungeons. Same with stacking dungeon keys for entry into the trial. OR using favor to BUY keys to enter the trial or dungeons. Something like that to make it less of a burden to join a trial group looking for a no-death as an example.

On another note, it has been great to see people using group finder, including players who are used to solo play and either don’t like groups or just don’t want to talk in discord or chat. They have been able to listen, and get the Pathwalker achievement with our guild. They then go off and play solo to their heart’s content, no pressure.

Have fun everyone

Now that we’re in the final week of the Night Market, I wanted to share my overall experience.

I genuinely enjoyed the event—especially once Group Finder became the norm. Running with GF groups and with several guilds made the zone feel alive, and I ended up completing all the Opulent Trial achievements with one or two guild teams. The trial itself was a highlight.

Where things fell short for me was the dungeon key gate. I definitely had more *bad* Group Finder experiences than good ones when trying to clear the dungeons, especially Skittering. The key requirement created a bottleneck that didn’t feel fun, and toward the end of the event one of my raid leads basically treated the entire zone as “the trial before the trial” just to make sure people actually had their key for scheduled Opulent Ordeal runs.

Rewards were another weak point. Getting overland sets I already have fully stickerbooked felt lackluster at best. With Update 50 landing this week and the DPS meta shifting back toward pure class + Class Mastery, it would have been far more meaningful if Night Market rewarded **Infinite Archive sets** instead of base-game overland gear. Several others in this thread have mentioned the same thing, and I agree completely.

The grind itself was a mix of fun and painful. Some days it felt great to chip away at goals with guildmates; other days it felt like a long checklist with too many steps.

Overall, I’m glad I participated, and I hope the next iteration keeps the good parts—grouping, challenge variety, the trial—while smoothing out the key gating and offering rewards that feel relevant to current gameplay.

Question, are the mythic fragments going away in 3 days when night market is done on console? If so, I will probably never buy a "season pass" again.

Trying to play again today. I dislike this part of the game much. I don’t have time to play in large organized groups. And by the time I get off work etc., NO ONE is on. I try to run around with a friend with Zero luck. The market is EMPTY. And I don’t want to hear about group finder. It’s just no fun not being able to move 10 ft without dying. I want to complete the tasks. It’s just impossible. I’ve never disliked ESO as much as I do right now. I can not complete an event for the first time ever. What was the point in the Pass again? Why aren’t the dailies shareable? Just trying to get to one to pick it up is damn near impossible. So if two of us are running around and one of us pick one up, it would be really helpful if we could just share. Half of them are glitched anyway. I was lucky enough to pick up one key during this entire event. One. And then I’m reading you lose the keys once you use them to enter into a dungeon? What the heck is that?
I realize many people like the difficulty and that’s great. I’m not built for it and I absolutely hate it. It would be nice if we could select a difficulty level when entering so we’re not just completely hammered. And don’t even get me started on the reward boxes. Those are a joke.

I dislike the Night Market. Flat out.

So I saw a PUG group that was trying to do the No Death achievement and figured I'd join because why not?

We were playing for a while and just not quite getting it as someone would die but we were making progress. After an hour or so resetting fights, someone did a stamina check. Some of us said we were close to tapping out because of various real life obligations. Some of us said we were good to keep going because it was our last time doing the trial for the night market. I asked if on our final attempt if anyone would just want to finish it since we weren't planning on any further attempts at the trial after this group. Most of us agreed but one lady said she was uncomfortable because she still wanted to try again this weekend and had no interest in farming keys.

We try a few more time and the lead declares it will be our last run. And it looks like we're going to succeed! The bosses are at 20% health. Unfortunately, a healer got stunned by a mob and didn't call it out because he usually he's able to heal himself up after the stun but this time he couldn't get out of the stun to heal and died.

So then everyone was like do we reset and try this again or just end it. And end says just finish the fight.

The lady who was unwilling to accept a clear dropped group. Not because she hadn't sunk a lot of time into the attempt, not because we had upset at her in anyway, and not because she had all her drops.

No she left because she couldn't lose her keys on the clear. So she lost out on the rewards because of her keys.

That doesn't seem fair to me. The current key system doesn't just make groups harder but it also discourages people from clearing with their active group if they will need them after.

A niche problem with the keys to be sure. But, trying to pug a No Death should not result in the player being punished if it doesn't work out.

We all understood why she had to leave and had no ill will toward her even though we'd suddenly lost a healer. I was pretty irritated with ZOS though.

The key system as it is far too limiting. I get you need people in the districts because they are tuned too high to be allowed to be completely empty at the end. But only one key is too punishing for people who want to do the trial

I wanted to wait until I finished the trial to post this feedback; and glad that I did because somewhere earlier in this thread a GM posted an opinion as if they had asked all 500 guild members what they thought and I don’t remember ever being asked or polled.

Night Market was a refreshing, interesting experiment that I was pleased to be part of. It was a lot harder than I was expecting, which motivated me to get better at all my roles. As a healer and tank, I felt useful and involved in large-scale fights. As a baby-dps, it actually forced me to play Maelstrom for the first time and figure out how to DPS this kind of content. As a guild member, I was able to engage a lot more in all my guilds, and in a more casual, spontaneous, and organic way than scheduled events with the same faces all the time. I loved seeing all my guilds come alive for Night Market… for the first two weeks.

Afterwards? Difficult to get that organic, we’re-all-in-this-together group play, even in group finder. After the novelty wore off, only the regular guild members participated in spontaneous groups. The rewards were dismal. Since the content is really challenging, the players who could and wanted to keep playing likely already had all these armor sets. I just kept trying to get them for the chance to get gold mats from decon. As soon as I reached 10k favor, I was completely lost all incentive to continue questing. I basically only kept playing so I could socialize with my guildmates. The enemies were.. boring? I play a lot of infinite archive so it felt kind of cheap to see the same monsters in Night Market that I was used to already. I was NEVER able to do the boulder oddity, because it feels designed for extremely small groups or solo, which is almost impossible to do fight the mobs with to even get to the boulders. The skirmishes felt awesome… when the instance was populated. If I got into a low-pop instance, I could basically forget finding any organic groups fighting bosses or the skirmishes. I spent a lot of time instance-hopping trying to find more people. I also spent more time in group finder, using group finder, and meeting other players through group finder— some amazing, some illiterate. I certainly learned a lot about the everyday ESO player that I wasn’t super thrilled about, but could also ignore and realize “oh it’s just not their cup of tea and they don’t know that yet”. I like playing extremely difficult content; and I also like never ever re-playing the extremely difficult content I just beat. I’m not a new game + player, I’m a “holy *** I finally beat the final boss of this game and I can finally move onto something else, HOUSING!” kind of player. So while NM was awesome, it doesn’t
have a replay appeal. I can’t approach it from a different angle, or re-start the quest on a different character. It was a one-and-done deal. Which, if that’s what yall were going for, excellent work— it is an event after all, not a permanent feature.

I did not like the key system. Some people in this thread suggested key stacking, and I think is a good idea for a future event like this. I did like the dungeons— short and sweet and to-the-point. I also liked the trial, even though my group wiped about 5-10 times before we were able to clear it. It actually felt like a *trial*, like “you may not be able to get through this because it is a TRIAL”. So that was cool. But also I really don’t ever want to do this trial again.

To be clear, I still had a lot of fun— but I also got burned out and bored pretty fast. I think the amount of instances was not balanced for the number of players that fluctuated engaging in NM. I’m not a game designer, I don’t even know if something like that is reasonable to fix. But it started to feel like a chore; and as soon as games feel like a chore to me, I stop having fun. I keep doing the chore, so like, you’re still gonna get money from me, but I’m not having fun anymore.

I don’t think NM was accessible to MANY of the players; and really catered towards higher-end players. I like that, because I fall into that group, but I’m not sure the timing was the best since many solo-players, new players, and casual players felt extremely left out. Changing from the chapter-model to the seasonal-model WILL BE HARD for this playerbase, and starting out with NM was a pretty drastic shift that I’m not sure a lot of players had tolerance for, especially players who use MMOs as escapism from our current reality. I think ZOS should really take a serious change management approach to this kind of shift. Communication has been good! But communication is only part of a CM strategy.

If NM is re-opened later this year and there is not a substantial change from this event, I will likely not play it. I want to see new enemies, new monsters, more spontaneous groups that you can literally run into without using GF, better loot (furnishing plans please), and more stories. I think this kind of content has a TON of potential, and I would love to see it develop into something that the majority of players can access.

I hope we will see new things in the next night market.

Tomorrow night I'll be in my fourth OO No Death try (1 last week, 3rd one this week). We have 20+ people who have the experience and skill in the OO to do it, but we've yet to get a full group due to keys. Folks help someone else out, lose their keys. Someone plans on getting the keys during the day, but Life Intervenes, and the run is canceled. Over and over. (I've skipped multiple OO runs because I don't want to lose my keys for this ND. And so have others.)

We have gone to group finder, every time. But then we get people who need the mechs explained, and that's time used up, and someone drops because they're impatient and don't want to sit through the explanation again. And then we put it in GF again, and it's a revolving door.

The dungeons and trial always come back to keys. This HAS to change. Frustration levels are very high.

Otherwise I've mostly enjoyed NM. There are some other issues, but the keys is the overarching one.

I've been leading casual guild events for more than 6 years now, we usually do Skyshard runs and PvP but when Night Market dropped, the group (of course) voted to check it out next run, so my first impression was with my group

I like the concept, I love how pretty the Sorrow district is and I really like the diversity of the content, but it was very overwhelming for me and everyone else who wasn't there already a previous day. SO many different new things you get spammed with, so much going on everywhere, so many combat effects everywhere, our heads were fried after 1-2h. If there is so much new stuff, I would usually check it out alone first, but well, I can't really do that if every path is blocked by mobs that aren't supposed to be soloed.
That being said, it would be cool if we could at least walk around the districts without unavoidably pulling mobs. Get them out of the small pathways and leave them in the bigger areas where you can sneak around them. We talked about the quests during the second run and someone in the group said he mostly does the quests while he is dead. It's cool we can interact with quest stuff while we are dead, but are the quests supposed to be done like that if you dont want to assemble a group for your unexiting dailies that you cant even share? Also group members joining later, switching characters, turning in quests and trying to get to the group will just die at least once on the way there. In dungeons and trials you get teleported to the last cleared boss and the rest of the way to the group stays cleared, but here you run into group mobs alone and die. It can get frustrating.

Quests
The first barrier I encountered was the intro quest. I had started it beforehand, at one point it requires you to go into the districts, so I assumed the intro-part was done and I was left with a regular quest that I kept for the group run, since I would just die there alone anyway. Yeah... so we then had to run through all 3 districts for this before I could even accept any of the dailies the others shared. Not cool. Don't do this. Please decide if you want content to be done in a group or not and if its supposed to be group content, don't lock individual people out of quests! Same goes for World Boss or Incursion dailies that are still locked behind storyline (Hews Bane, Summerset Geysers). Literally nobody likes this, everyone is just annoyed when they realise they can't accept a shared quest, wonders why and comes to the conclusion that the restriction serves no purpose whatsoever, except player frustration. Please just don't.
That also goes for the district dailies we can't share for no reason and the weird system behind the faction dailies. If I even understood it correctly, we can have 3 faction dailies at the same time, but only if each of them is from another faction? While they are all the same 5 quests rotating? So someone in the group has Ardent from thousand eyes, another has race from thousant eyes and ardent from ruckus and when we try to share quests some work and some don't and we have no idea which quest is blocking the share because we don't know from which faction they come? Did someone really sit down and think thats a good idea? XD
I like the dailies but please fix the sharing issue. Preferably just let us have all 5 no matter where they come from. If we wanna do all, we will find shares anyway, its just horribly annoying currently. Also, concerning district dailies: Having to basically stand on the quest targets to even see them is frustrating too, especially if you keep dying to the same trash packs while running in circles for minutes.

Dungeons, Trial and Keys
Talking about locking individual people out of group content... I didn't read the 37 thread pages here but I assume the Key issue is one of the major pain points for pretty much everyone, so l will try to keep that part short. But Praise first:
Personally, I dislike the concept of Dungeons and Trials and stopped doing them years ago with very few exceptions. If I had to pick a trial I have to do, it would be Cloudrest, because you can fight all bosses in any order and combination without having to suffer through half an hours worth of trash mobs (which for me are just walking lifetime and braincell graveyards).
I really love that the Night Market Dungeons work similarly! If you don't count the trash in the districts on the way there (please let us teleport to group members in dungeons!), you fight the bosses directly, you can choose any order, you don't even have to do them all in the same session, which effectively even makes it better than CR! Also lots of love to the people who decided to make the trial so environmental-mechanic focused! These factors were the reason my guild mates could convince me to try it. We did a blind run, no 5 pages of instructions, no hyper-specialised builds and no tryharding since the enemies themselves were easy compared to regular vet content anyway. We died a lot while trying to figure out the mechanics but in that case its part of the fun. I actually had fun doing a trial. And so did the others Please keep doing it like this!
... So, about the Keys. Personally I was relatively unaffected because I did the entire thing only twice, but the *** in the guild was real. People who still needed the dungeons before the trial trying to get a group for it, but some others only had trial key, others had all keys and didnt want to waste the dungeon keys because they had another trial the day after, some only had key for 1 or 2 dungeons, some delayed a run because they didnt know they had to farm keys (again)... Yeah. Bad design. I read a bit here on page 37, someone suggested to let us stack keys and I like the idea. If you insist on the key system so people keep doing the Market, please at least let us stack them! Ofc a permanent unlock would have the least frustration factor though.

Grind vs Rewards
Personally, I love that we get dungeon and trial gear from what feels more like overland content, would be even better if we could get more useful sets next time 😄 The overland sets however feel like a weird decision to me, since they natively come from much easier and faster content than the NM and can be bought in guild stores if one can't be bothered to farm them. They ended up being more of a frustration factor to me because deconstructing something thats theoretically worth a few thousand gold hurts my trader soul but selling it is impossible too. It keeps sitting in the store, no matter how much I underprice it, as does everything else that drops in NM. It also clutters your inventory incredibly fast when you do NM, as do the other drops. Its too many drops, and too much trash among it. Why is there suddenly so much furniture? I love the Mirrormoor stuff, new furniture is cool too, but all the super old, worthless furnishings are just additional vendor tasks.
It seems everyone basically just went for the achievements and was done with NM after a month at the latest. I was away and ill inbetween and ended up farming the rest of the Favor I still needed alone. "Having to" get to 10k before the market closes if you want the color and join another faction next time turned the dailies into grindy chores for me in the end. The favor amounts some of the tasks drop also feel a bit ridiculous to me, even with the potion. Unbalanced too. The bosses drop way too little and the fact that trash drops nothing, except for sometimes these bulbs that disappear before you notice them most of the time and only give you 5 as well, is just painful. Please let them at least drop 1 favor each?
The skin from the pursuit is cool tho. The house too, I was just disappointed by how underwhelming the extra rooms feel and that the guild storage doesnt have access to the store, rendering it basically useless for most people. But the idea is cool and the house looks good 👍

Curiosities
Love the idea, implementation leaves room for improvement.
Basically, the spider puzzle is the group puzzle. Its the only one that works well in a group and you need one to win it. The other two I did in the middle of the night, when no one else was there because random people keep ruining it or distracting/killing you with trash they pulled and I don't have the nerves for this. You can probably do them with 1-2 friends you are in voice chat with, but bigger groups just make it much more complicated and it just needs a single random player passing by to ruin it. I told everyone who still needed them to do them alone at night.
The fact that they automatically start as soon as you are near them, then roll through a few cycles and end up in cooldown for 10min after a fail is also more than suboptimal. When you arrive there, you usually have a trashpack chasing you to Oblivion that you have to get rid of first, not even talking about the absurdly little time you have to figure out whats even going on there. When I did the boulders at night, I used the first run-through to just check out the setting and watch where the boulders go, then figure out the tactic during downtime and try it in the second run-through. If something unexpected happens and it fails, well, another 10min of waiting.
I really like the puzzles but please give them a start trigger players have to activate manually! Give them a tutorial trigger people can activate for an example round, to see what is happening there. Preferably, give them their own closed off room, like the parch races, so people dont pull their trash in or press random plates on accident or because they dont know whats going on. A player/group-specific instanced room even would be perfect imo. Seperating them from the combat areas would also help against the input overload from everything thats going on at the same time.
Also, the light puzzle. I might be just dumb but I did them many, many times, they were my go to for the faction daily in the end, and I'm actually sure that in many or even most rounds the puzzle is not solvable. Like, the color plates switch positions inbetween rounds and they dont do it synchronously with the others of the same color, so you end up with setups where you simply can't form 2 paths. Why?
Generally, slowing all of them down a bit would help too.

Races
I like the parch race, interesting idea and it ended up being my go to for the daily because its shut off and fast to do. The other 2 are kinda same-ish and suffer from, once again, the trash mob problem. You can do them if you have a big group that follows you around and kills the trash for you, or if you have a specialised sneak build that lets you run through the mobs undetected and fast enough, but was that really the intention when they were designed? I did them once for the achievement, could have been a fun activity under other circumstances, I like the concept of the Sorrow one.

Bosses
Please kick Molonach out of the market. Everyone hates him and not just because he was a bugged mess when NM launched. Players stumbling across the area, not knowing whats happening and getting the target during Shadow phase, or trolls who just want to give others a bad experience, have a very easy time doing exactly that. Also, why so many shadow phases? Why are they tied to his HP? Doing him with our group was basically us attacking him for a few seconds, shadow phase, another 1-3sec attacking, shadow phase, over and over with increasingly annoyed sighs in the voice chat. Its an interesting mechanic but not enjoyable enough to force it on people 4 times each fight, with each of the phases requiring you to repeat the same mechanic 4 times already. 1-2 maximum please, maybe one obligatory and one that can be skipped if he dies fast, if he needs to stay in the market. It would generally do the market good to swap bosses between events though.
Other than that, the only one that annoyed me with mechanics was Roksa. Constantly surrounding itself with AOE is painful for melee builds 🥲 Everything else was cool. I was pleasantly surprised by the wandering Dunegorger in the Parch, its mechanic is kinda disgusting, but similar to encounters I know from GW2 and wouldn't have expected to see here. GW2 has a lot of very creative and interesting encounters, so getting inspiration from there is generally a good idea 😁 One pain point though: If you die in the stomach and ress at wayshrine, you usually have to go chase that thing across the entire map to get back in, which is extra painful for people who cant pass the sand walls yet.

tldr
There are pain points and things that still need improvement, but in general the NM is cool, I like the direction you are going with your content and hope you keep going 👍

Just tried and verified that even people in the same faction, same group standing right next to each other often can't share faction daily quests they hadn't done that day.

HerowynKerowyn wrote: »

peacenote wrote: »

Not sure if anyone posted this yet, but it would be nice if there was a one-way wayshrine in the dungeons (can't remember if there was one in the trial but, if not, there as well) to make it easier to rejoin your group if you decide to swap characters.

There is no reason that I can think of to have it so you must run back to the dungeon as opposed to traveling straight back in to your friends.

To return to the Plaza area, most of my groups just port to a fellow group member, which as long as you are not in combat, takes you back to the Plaza area outside the districts but still in the Night Market.

That works for leaving but not as much for going in because then you still have to fight through the districts to rejoin

If Opulent Ordeal returns in the same form next time, I would really like the targeting of the grapple posts to be made easier. It's very annoying to wave the mouse pointer around in the hopes of finding the sweet spot (which is often not on the post at all) while being on the clock.

I know it's a minor complaint comparing to the issue of gathering the keys over and over to get to the trial again, but I feel it's still worth requesting.