Three-Sided Deathmatch
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Haki_7✭✭✭@Maitsukas wrote:
We are discussing the game-breaking problems that plague Battlegrounds.@LittleLionLeone wrote:What are we even doing?
And what exactly is the unexplained point of someone posting scores from completely random BG matches?
The matches I'm posting were so incredibly lopsided that their outcome might as well have been predetermined from the start. Here:
Domination (1-100):1-101.
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It simply wasn't possible to do this when BGs were 3-sided. Not in this quantity. Why do you think that is?Two-sided Battlegrounds: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8450160/#Comment_84501601 -
moo_2021✭✭✭✭✭...3-way BGs are fundamentally flawed. Two teams fight, one team runs to empty objectives - wins with zero kills.
That doesn't mean it's bad. You don't have to win, or make more than 0 kills. When I can't kill, I swapped build to do objective. When I can't do that either, I annoyed them to death like suicide runs on base.
3-way was flawed but most of time we can meaningfuly contribute in some way. Can't do that with 2 teams when it's lopsided, and it's almost always lopsided.0 -
Haki_7✭✭✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »Were your instant queue matches good quality or not, or are you going to provide zero actionable feedback about the thing you want?
@Avran_Sylt and @Maitsukas here are the first 20 matches I played during the 3-sided event:
4v4v4 Domination (1-20)1-101.
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Let me know if you'd like me to keep posting, but I don't really see the point. Even though these matches were objectively more enjoyable and competitive than 2-sided, they were still plagued by the obvious problems with obvious solutions we already knew would be there.Edited by Haki_7 on May 16, 2026 12:07PMTwo-sided Battlegrounds: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8450160/#Comment_84501600 -
CatalinaWineMixer2✭✭✭✭I will always agree that 3 teams are better. The overpowered state of combat is the real culprit in destroying BG. Ive said this before but its Subclass. It didn't used to be this bad. My Guilds used to play not just BG but also Cyrodiil. They have and will play Vengeance. Its not that the character refreshes are overpowered either, its that Subclass is using them completely unchecked. Those are NOT Dragonknights out there. Its Subclass. They will exploit the best qualities of every single class until Zos removes this awful cherry picking system and restores rules and sanity to combat.
I barely play BG anymore and its primarily due to the fact none of my friends will. Its so bad they absolutely refuse to do it and its all they liked to play for years. Instead of running BG and Cyrodiil events as we always did, they message me outside of the game asking me if I need anything. They wont even log in unless the Guilds need something or Im asking them. They are all old enough in Eso to remember the 3 teams from the old days. They literally ran 3 matches with the return of it and said they won't play it anymore. Its combat. And Subclass. Something needs to be done about it.1 -
Haki_7✭✭✭@CatalinaWineMixer2 wrote:I will always agree that 3 teams are better.
The event showed everyone the truth.
Two-sided: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8450160/#Comment_8450160
Three-sided: Despite its problems, we had instant queues, almost no spawncamping, unpredictable outcomes and far more engaging fights. They even wrote a song about the wonderful time we shared. I call it ''Three sides, one love'':(Intro – spoken)
Ooooh yeah…
Deathmatch, baby…
Voken on the Mic
Rooski on guitar-ooski
Ricky Base on the Base!
Jejunum on the jeju-drums
Attacko and Ozma on the horns
What?
Play that ***!
Verse 1 (smooth, groovy)
Logged in and the vibe felt right
No wait in line, just you and I tonight
Four by four by four, we dance in sync
Three hearts beatin’ on the battleground brink
Storm Lords shimmer like stars above
Firedrakes burn but it feel like love
Pit daemons move with a velvet groove
Every clash got that rhythm you can’t refuse
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Pre-Chorus (lift, harmonies)
No rush, no breaks, just flow so sweet
Every round got us back on beat
Side by side in the neon glow
Three teams deep but we steal the show
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Chorus (funky, catchy, playful)
Ooo—we love that 4v4v4
Three sides, one vibe, keep comin’ back for more
No queue, just you, let the good times roll
Deathmatch got a hold on my soul
Hey—spin me round that battlefield floor
Win or lose, baby, I still want more
Perfect night, can’t ignore
We in love with that 4v4v4
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Verse 2 (playful, rhythmic)
Captain picks got the energy tight
Every squad feel just right tonight
No one runnin’, no one outclassed
Just sweet back-and-forth, make the moment last
Slide to the left when the pressure rise
Fall, get up, still feel alive
Every clash like a lover’s spark
Three-way dance in the after dark
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Bridge (breakdown, soulful)
Don’t need no crown, don’t need no fame
Just you and me in this perfect game
Round and round, we never get bored
Hearts locked in to that three-side war
(background vocals)
Love that… love that… battleground…
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Final Chorus (big, celebratory)
Ooo—we love that 4v4v4
Three sides, one vibe, keep comin’ back for more
No queue, just you, let the good times roll
Deathmatch got a hold on my soul
Hey—feel that groove, let it take control
Every fight make the whole world slow
Perfect night we can’t ignore
We in love with that 4v4v4
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(Outro – fade with bass + harmonies)
Yeah… Deathmatch forever…
Three sides… one love..
Not sure I can post the suno link here, but perhaps I can PM whoever wants it, so they can sing along.Edited by Haki_7 on May 17, 2026 11:11AMTwo-sided Battlegrounds: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8450160/#Comment_84501604 -
Moonspawn✭✭✭✭@Maitsukas wrote:
We are discussing the game-breaking problems that plague Battlegrounds.@LittleLionLeone wrote:What are we even doing?
And what exactly is the unexplained point of someone posting scores from completely random BG matches?
It simply wasn't possible to do this when BGs were 3-sided. Not in this quantity. Why do you think that is?
I got my answer.Can you help solve any of the FOUR critical flaws of two-sided BGs ?
Looking for feedback on How to fix the 3-sided objective modes0 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They just need 20 person battle royale. Every person for themselves. 5 lives and you are out.
No terrain. wide open spaces.
Last person standing
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Haki_7✭✭✭
Thanks. It should be up now. Do you think it will help people understand the truth about two-sided Battlegrounds?@heimdall14_9 wrote:click on your name / go to edit account / go to signature settings / write out your signature
Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 195: Waiting 18 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/EU)
Domination, no chance of losing. We almost did because of all the running around backcapping empty flags:
Relic, no chance of losing. Fifteen grueling minutes of lopsided snoozefest. In accordance with the first and third critical flaws of 2-sided, Orange-1 ditched his team to go around looking for newcomers:
Crazy King, no chance of losing:
Chaosball 1 and 2, no chance of losing. The usual staring contest with ball carriers:
Deathmatch 1, no chance of losing:
Deathmatch 2, no chance of winning:
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Moonspawn✭✭✭✭@Avran_Sylt wrote:Were your instant queue matches good quality or not, or are you going to provide zero actionable feedback about the thing you want?
@Avran_Sylt and @Maitsukas here are the first 20 matches I played during the 3-sided event:
4v4v4 Domination (1-20)1-101.
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11-2011.
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Let me know if you'd like me to keep posting, but I don't really see the point. Even though these matches were objectively more enjoyable and competitive than 2-sided, they were still plagued by the obvious problems with obvious solutions we already knew would be there.
Speaking of gathering samples to compare 4v4v4 against the horrors of 8v8, will ZOS be repeating the 3-sided domination event the day after tomorrow?Can you help solve any of the FOUR critical flaws of two-sided BGs ?
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Haki_7✭✭✭@moo_2021 wrote:3-sided events where?? PTS?
3-sided Capture the Relic will go live today.
Deathmatch 1, zero chance of winning:
Deathmatch 2, zero chance of losing:
Domination, zero chance of losing:
Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 196: Waiting 15 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/EU)
Relic, zero chance of losing. Promptly giving up after losing one relic. Fourth critical flaw of 2-sided:Chaosball 1 & 2, zero chance of losing. Soul gazing session with ball carriers:
Crazy King, zero chance of losing. Not even that lopsided, but spawncamping stopped them from reaching the flags. Third flaw:
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Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭3-sided Relic Capture 1
Zero chance at gameplay, purple got bored of farming our team at base and didn't care for their own objective. Red had an unkillable templar perma bashing their relic. Time ran out.
Nerf shattered path signet and make streak only stun if you're pureclass sorc.
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moo_2021✭✭✭✭✭Avran_Sylt wrote: »3-sided Relic Capture 1
Zero chance at gameplay, purple got bored of farming our team at base and didn't care for their own objective. Red had an unkillable templar perma bashing their relic. Time ran out.
Nerf shattered path signet and make streak only stun if you're pureclass sorc.
You could pull the templar or steal purple relic and take the long way back from other side.
I had 6 or 8 games already, lost more but it's fun and nice to see real players back. On my last I stunned everyone in a pretty good team to cover my mate's retreat with relic, and we won right when I was killed!
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Haki_7✭✭✭@Avran_Sylt wrote:3-sided Relic Capture 1
Zero chance at gameplay, purple got bored of farming our team at base and didn't care for their own objective. Red had an unkillable templar perma bashing their relic. Time ran out.
Nerf shattered path signet and make streak only stun if you're pureclass sorc.
If purple was at green's base, why didn't orange grab purple's relic?
Crazy King, predetermined victory. Running around trying to end the lopsided snoozefest while my team spawncamps. Third critical flaw of 2-sided:
Relic, predetermined victory. Fifteen minutes of the exact same fight over and over again. First flaw:
Domination, predetermined victory:
Chaosball 1 and 2, predetermined victories. Pointless staring contests with ball carriers:
Deathmatch 1, predetermined victory:
Deathmatch 2, predetermined defeat:
Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 197: Waiting 18 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/EU)Edited by Haki_7 on May 23, 2026 1:23PMTwo-sided Battlegrounds: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8450160/#Comment_84501600 -
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✭✭LennaTheRussian wrote: »Thread should be renamed to leaderboard screenshots at this point
Or better yet, “Person Talking To Themself.”Dragon Priest [Restoring Light, Draconic Power, Grave Lord]
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moo_2021✭✭✭✭✭I don't understand why anyone complaining about two sides still play it while three sides is on.2
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Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't understand why anyone complaining about two sides still play it while three sides is on.
Well, assuming that the @Ha'ki PC NA alt account isn't an imposter, they do play 3s (but who knows how many good one-piece eso pvp players there are). Which might actually be why they never show their actual name in any of their screenshots, given they play cross-servers too.Edited by Avran_Sylt on May 24, 2026 11:17AM1 -
Haki_7✭✭✭@Maitsukas wrote:
We are discussing the game-breaking problems that plague Battlegrounds.@LittleLionLeone wrote:What are we even doing?
And what exactly is the unexplained point of someone posting scores from completely random BG matches?
It simply wasn't possible to do this when BGs were 3-sided. Not in this quantity. Why do you think that is?
I got my answer.
It is the only answer so far. Just like @imPDA 's explanation about matchmaking is the only one that fits with everything we've seen until this point:If this system works as described, it does 2 things:
1) it tries to make as many people of the same MMR as possible into one game
2) it tries to make teams as equal MMR-wise as possible
So, two results of Elo are:
1) if number of players is big, it can successfully pick 16 players of the same MMR A+-a (like, 1500+-100 for example). It is possible in big MOBA games.
2) if number of players is not that big, it can pick any players to make groups look equal. Balancer can pick 6 "1500 MMR" players, one "200 MMR" player and one "2800 MMR" player, so team will be balanced at 1500. Another team can have all "1500 MMR" players.
You usually see result 2, I suppose, because from my feeling, there are not many players in PvP. If so, it is hard to make two equal groups out of equal players, so it picks some overskilled players and team them with low MMR players, and another team can have the same situation, that is why you usually see 2-4 players with positive KD and some damage, big score, and all other players are constantly dead, 0 damage, 0 score.
It is very rough estimation, and it will not be true in many cases, but you can estimate, that average winrate of you team is near 50%. If your winrate is 80%, winrates of 6 other players are 45 55 45 55 45 55, then winrate of last player should be close to 20% Once again, it is very rough estimation.
Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 198: Waiting 24 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/EU)
Relic 1 and 2, impossible to lose:
Deathmatch 1 and 2, impossible to lose. Spawncamping from beginning to end:
Domination, impossible to lose. Nearly all their points came from backcapping empty flags while half their team was spawncamped. Third critical flaw of 2-sided:
Crazy King, impossible to lose. Opponents were unable to reach the flags:
Chaosball, impossible to win.
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Moonspawn✭✭✭✭@Avran_Sylt wrote:
Though I too still like the larger moshpit of 8v8, neither addresses buildcrafting/MMR issues. But to be honest it's going to be a cluster with all the class reworks in the next few years.
Everyone wants better matchmaking, but expecting it to save Battlegrounds has been yielding catastrophic results for nearly a decade.
A decade?Can you help solve any of the FOUR critical flaws of two-sided BGs ?
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Haki_7✭✭✭Speaking of gathering samples to compare 4v4v4 against the horrors of 8v8, will ZOS be repeating the 3-sided domination event the day after tomorrow?
I understand that anything is better than letting Battlegrounds be ruined by the critical flaws of 2-sided, but why would they repeat last month's Domination event?
Chaosball, no way of losing:
Crazy King, no way of losing. Opponents were unable to reach the flags:
Domination 1 and 2, no way of losing:
Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 199: Waiting 16 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/EU)
Relic, no way of winning. My healing successfully extended the nightmare for as long as possible. Mission accomplished:
Deathmatch 1, no way of losing. Instead of being forced to come after me, Green-2 had no choice but to ditch his team to go around looking for newcomers. @Avran_Sylt This is a good example of how the first flaw of 2-sided ruins even balanced matches:
Deathmatch 2, no way of losing:
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Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Speaking of gathering samples to compare 4v4v4 against the horrors of 8v8, will ZOS be repeating the 3-sided domination event the day after tomorrow?
I understand that anything is better than letting Battlegrounds be ruined by the critical flaws of 2-sided, but why would they repeat last month's Domination event?
Chaosball, no way of losing:
Crazy King, no way of losing. Opponents were unable to reach the flags:
Domination 1 and 2, no way of losing:
Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 199: Waiting 16 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/EU)
Relic, no way of winning. My healing successfully extended the nightmare for as long as possible. Mission accomplished:
Deathmatch 1, no way of losing. Instead of being forced to come after me, Green-2 had no choice but to ditch his team to go around looking for newcomers. @Avran_Sylt This is a good example of how the first flaw of 2-sided ruins even balanced matches:
Deathmatch 2, no way of losing:
Where are you getting these matches?
8v8 hasn't been up for almost a week.
Edit: in what world is a team with five 1m damage pushers equal to a team with only 2? Also, since we can't see the amount of self-healing done, your stats are useless.Edited by Avran_Sylt on May 25, 2026 12:05PM2 -
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✭I would like to see three-sided Deathmatch return as a permanent option, or at least as a regular scheduled queue.
I do not think 4v4v4 is perfect, and I do not think it magically solves matchmaking or combat balance. Third-partying is real, and some objective modes have their own problems. But for Deathmatch specifically, three teams often creates a healthier match than a lopsided two-team game.
In 8v8, when one side is clearly stronger, the match can feel decided almost immediately. The weaker team gets farmed, spawncamped, or gives up, and there is no meaningful second-place goal. In 4v4v4, the third team at least creates pressure on the leader, gives weaker players more chances to reposition, and makes the match less predictable.
That matters a lot when the BG population is not large enough for perfect matchmaking. If the matchmaker cannot reliably create two equal teams, then a three-team format can soften the damage by giving the match more moving parts.
I would not remove two-sided BGs for people who prefer that format. But I do think solo players should have access to a 4v4v4 Deathmatch queue. Keep the objective modes separate and tune them individually, because Chaosball, Relic, Domination, and Crazy King all have different problems. But Deathmatch is the mode where three-sided play makes the strongest case.
So my vote would be: keep two-sided for players who want a more direct competitive format, bring back three-sided Deathmatch for players who found it more fun and less predetermined, and keep working on matchmaking/combat balance either way.PC-NA | @Cooperharley3 -
Avran_Sylt✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Cooperharley wrote: »I would like to see three-sided Deathmatch return as a permanent option, or at least as a regular scheduled queue.
I do not think 4v4v4 is perfect, and I do not think it magically solves matchmaking or combat balance. Third-partying is real, and some objective modes have their own problems. But for Deathmatch specifically, three teams often creates a healthier match than a lopsided two-team game.
In 8v8, when one side is clearly stronger, the match can feel decided almost immediately. The weaker team gets farmed, spawncamped, or gives up, and there is no meaningful second-place goal. In 4v4v4, the third team at least creates pressure on the leader, gives weaker players more chances to reposition, and makes the match less predictable.
That matters a lot when the BG population is not large enough for perfect matchmaking. If the matchmaker cannot reliably create two equal teams, then a three-team format can soften the damage by giving the match more moving parts.
I would not remove two-sided BGs for people who prefer that format. But I do think solo players should have access to a 4v4v4 Deathmatch queue. Keep the objective modes separate and tune them individually, because Chaosball, Relic, Domination, and Crazy King all have different problems. But Deathmatch is the mode where three-sided play makes the strongest case.
So my vote would be: keep two-sided for players who want a more direct competitive format, bring back three-sided Deathmatch for players who found it more fun and less predetermined, and keep working on matchmaking/combat balance either way.
4v4v4 Deathmatch with "unlimited" lives per person? Or the stock system present in 4v4 comp.0 -
Moonspawn✭✭✭✭Speaking of gathering samples to compare 4v4v4 against the horrors of 8v8, will ZOS be repeating the 3-sided domination event the day after tomorrow?
I understand that anything is better than letting Battlegrounds be ruined by the critical flaws of 2-sided, but why would they repeat last month's Domination event?
I was bamboozled by the May Survival Guide.
Can you help solve any of the FOUR critical flaws of two-sided BGs ?
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Haki_7✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/665758/pts-patch-notes-v10-2-0
@ZOS_Kevin there's been some confusion about a couple of changes that were made in update 44.
Considering what you wrote above, can you please try to find out if the MMR was being reset weekly before U44, when Battlegrounds were still 3-sided?
This is important. It might explain why queue times are so much longer in 2-sided:
Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 200: Waiting 53 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/EU)
Deathmatch 1 & 2, no risk of losing:
Crazy King, no risk of losing. Running around trying to end the snoozefest while my team spawncamps. Third critical flaw of 2-sided:
Chaosball, no risk of losing:
Relic, no risk of losing. Throwing the towel after losing one relic. Fourth flaw:
Domination 1, no risk of losing. All their points came from backcapping empty flags:
Domination 2, no risk of winning:
Edited by Haki_7 on May 28, 2026 10:23AMTwo-sided Battlegrounds: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8450160/#Comment_84501600 -
Moonspawn✭✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/665758/pts-patch-notes-v10-2-0
@ZOS_Kevin there's been some confusion about a couple of changes that were made in update 44.
Considering what you wrote above, can you please try to find out if the MMR was being reset weekly before U44, when Battlegrounds were still 3-sided?
This is important. It might explain why queue times are so much longer in 2-sided:
On that note, how were queue times during the 3-sided Capture the Relic event?Can you help solve any of the FOUR critical flaws of two-sided BGs ?
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Haki_7✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/665758/pts-patch-notes-v10-2-0
@ZOS_Kevin there's been some confusion about a couple of changes that were made in update 44.
Considering what you wrote above, can you please try to find out if the MMR was being reset weekly before U44, when Battlegrounds were still 3-sided?
This is important. It might explain why queue times are so much longer in 2-sided:
On that note, how were queue times during the 3-sided Capture the Relic event?
Lightning fast. Similar to what happened during the 3-sided domination event.
Chaosball 1, no way to win. We were unable to reach the objective:
Chaosball 2, no way to lose. Now it was the opponent's turn to be unable to reach the objective:
Domination, no way to lose:
Destruction of Battlegrounds Chapter 201: Waiting 28 minutes for a lopsided match (Solo 8v8 PC/NA)
Crazy King, no way to lose:
Relic, no way to lose:
Deathmatch 1 and 2, no way to lose. Spawncamping from beginning to end. Flaws number 1,3 and 4 of 2-sided:
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Moonspawn✭✭✭✭@moo_2021 wrote:@Haki_7 wrote:
Lightning fast. Similar to what happened during the 3-sided domination event.
Just like in the song.
''Ooo—we love that 4v4v4
Three sides, one vibe, keep comin’ back for more
No queue, just you, let the good times roll
Deathmatch got a hold on my soul''Edited by Moonspawn on June 1, 2026 11:25PMCan you help solve any of the FOUR critical flaws of two-sided BGs ?
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