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Let’s please address the elephant in the room. Healers. Supports, yes, but then you didn’t need to say tanks as well. Keep healers relevant.

For class passives specifically make something for every class that is determined by overheal (not heal). Reading the passives as they have existed to this point makes me terrified that you will end up writing healers as a role out of optimized end game entirely. We already see it in dungeons and arenas, running 3 DPS and a tank because “why would we run a healer if DDs can self-sustain and then we get more damage”? We already see it in current end game optimization where it’s common to run 1 heal, 1 tank.

My concern is that as DDs become more self sufficient and less necessity is placed on healing as a concept, end game groups will eliminate healers entirely because everything they provide can be provided equally as well by a support DD with 1 or 2 heals if necessary.

Example: Major Courage. As a very important buff, this has probably been the single most important thing for keeping healers relevant in the game since the best source (SPC) procs on overheal for 12 party members, no cooldown, potential 100% uptime with someone who plays it well enough. Adding this buff to a single skill on a werewolf is an enormous slap in the face. Where there aren’t specific heal checks, an optimized team can run a werewolf for Major courage instead of a healer at all. While this hasn’t been an issue previously (people choosing banners or Zenas, or soul burst or Yolna for minor courage instead of a werewolf in group), that was because it would be a net loss of damage to run a werewolf. In this case, with the emotional support doggo replacing the healer, it ends up a net increase rather than loss, assuming other buffs can still be sourced elsewhere.

Currently, the only buff that can only be sourced through healing is minor toughness. With Major courage more easily sourceable outside of healing, there becomes very few reasons to run a designated healer as opposed to only running support DDs in much optimized 12 man content.

KEEP HEALERS RELEVANT.

The class passives are an excellent opportunity to do this, but only if you model them with this in mind rather than just your damage or even just supports as a whole. Make a reason for a healer to be there instead of removing the existing ones.

(Edited for autocorrect sabotaging spelling)

I probably wouldn't change the werewolf model too terribly much, I mean I can gripe about it all day but I'd be worried about feedback being taken in a strange manner, and upsetting more people. So I've kinda stopped pushing for that now.

I would however LOVE a white werewolf skin that has a black nose, black claws and other contrast more akin to an actual white furred beast that's not an albino. With the new system, ZOS you guys can print money by just making more and more recolors, it doesn't have to stop at 3 or 4 or whatever.

As for the speed thing, I need to do more testing, but I believe that the devs told us they were adjusting the threshold to be higher before you entered all four leg running, but now it feels almost more sensitive now than it does on live. In terms of how much speed you can have before losing access to 2 legged running.

And yes, PLEASE do something about the glowing markings. For me this is my main core issue with the whole werewolf refresh as it stands. Having the choice to dial this down or remove it entirely would be splendid.

I was curious though, when might we get to see that hidden 4th Werewolf skill style, Hircine's Hunter?

Ketryellowynne wrote: »

Let’s please address the elephant in the room. Healers. Supports, yes, but then you didn’t need to say tanks as well. Keep healers relevant.

For class passives specifically make something for every class that is determined by overheal (not heal). Reading the passives as they have existed to this point makes me terrified that you will end up writing healers as a role out of optimized end game entirely. We already see it in dungeons and arenas, running 3 DPS and a tank because “why would we run a healer if DDs can self-sustain and then we get more damage”? We already see it in current end game optimization where it’s common to run 1 heal, 1 tank.

My concern is that as DDs become more self sufficient and less necessity is placed on healing as a concept, end game groups will eliminate healers entirely because everything they provide can be provided equally as well by a support DD with 1 or 2 heals if necessary.

Example: Major Courage. As a very important buff, this has probably been the single most important thing for keeping healers relevant in the game since the best source (SPC) procs on overheal for 12 party members, no cooldown, potential 100% uptime with someone who plays it well enough. Adding this buff to a single skill on a werewolf is an enormous slap in the face. Where there aren’t specific heal checks, an optimized team can run a werewolf for Major courage instead of a healer at all. While this hasn’t been an issue previously (people choosing banners or Zenas, or soul burst or Yolna for minor courage instead of a werewolf in group), that was because it would be a net loss of damage to run a werewolf. In this case, with the emotional support doggo replacing the healer, it ends up a net increase rather than loss, assuming other buffs can still be sourced elsewhere.

Currently, the only buff that can only be sourced through healing is minor toughness. With Major courage more easily sourceable outside of healing, there becomes very few reasons to run a designated healer as opposed to only running support DDs in much optimized 12 man content.

KEEP HEALERS RELEVANT.

The class passives are an excellent opportunity to do this, but only if you model them with this in mind rather than just your damage or even just supports as a whole. Make a reason for a healer to be there instead of removing the existing ones.

(Edited for autocorrect sabotaging spelling)

I understand what you're talking about, as someone who used to enjoy playing healer until they were basically made worthless in everything but content I'm not welcome in (HM vet trials basically lol).

BUT please remember that werewolf never gets to go into these fights either, and it'd be sad to see that stripped away. I know you're asking for more options, but I'd be worried about the devs seeing this as a reason to take Major Courage away from werewolf instead, which would be very sad.

It's true that healers need more relevancy though, it's my favorite role, or used to be. Now I'm more of a tank player in group content because people just don't want a healer anymore, and I protested that shift before with no success and now it's only worse.

I'm concerned about this part:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Class Mastery

• General Feedback and Suggestions [Feedback]: We're aware that certain classes are [...] too far ahead

To me, this reads like: "We're going to nerf Sorcs because their trial dummy parses are too high."

Current Sorc parses are extremely cheesy. They rely on Banner and the status knife, both of which inflate dummy numbers but also buff the rest of the group in real content. In actual fights, you usually won’t run Overload - you’ll use Atro instead, which lowers your personal DPS but increases group DPS. Without Overload, Signet becomes worse, so you'd swap it out and lose even more personal damage. And if you're the only Sorc in the group, you'll be running Mastery, which again lowers your personal DPS while giving the group 3% WPD/SPD.

What does it mean? Sorc is not that OP in actual content, especially since it has no cleave.

Another problem I want to address is the DPS disparity between multi-classed and pure-classed builds. From this week's patch notes:

...its primary goal is to lessen the gap between subclassing and “pure” or “mono-classing.”

Let’s establish a baseline: an Arc/NB/Plar Runeblades build parses 173k on live. This build is unaffected on PTS; it has high single‑target and low cleave. The obvious conclusion: no pure class with strong innate cleave (DK, Cro, beaming Arc) should parse higher. Conversely, no pure class with weak innate cleave (Sorc, NB, Warden, Runeblades Arc) should parse lower. Plar is borderline since its spammable has a decent cleave. All of this assumes parses without excessive cheese.

So, here are my (unpopular) thoughts on each class:

• Sorc - needs a nerf. 206k ST DPS is too high. Even a less cheesy setup hits ~185k, which is still too much.
  
• Warden - very strange case. It parses too high with Signet (cheese), but its sustain is terrible. Without Signet, it’s around 172k, which is ok. Maybe it's a little bit low, considering it was the least popular DD. No idea how to balance it without killing Signet.
  
• DK - needs a nerf. Dummy DPS is inflated by Heat Shock, which also buffs the whole group in content. Even without Heat Shock, it has too high ST-damage whilst having great innate cleave.
  
• Plar - fine as is.
  
• NB - needs a buff. Low cleave and low ST right now.
  
• Cro - needs a buff. It can parse well with double‑bash Goliath and triple Ghostly Embrace stacking, but without this cheese, it's weak.
  
• Arc - beaming Arc is fine. Runeblades Arc is not - it deserves buffs due to low cleave. Easiest fix: give Runeblades some unique synergy with Splattering Disjunction.

Sorry if this kills someone’s fun, but power creep needs to be controlled.

Glad to hear you guys are reading the feedback on class masteries. In addition to tank and support roles, I'd like a bigger focus on plugging holes left by not having access to subclassing when using these passives.
For templar it's the lack of good source for multiple major buffs, and the ability to put out quick and meaningful burst, which has defined the pvp meta for a long time.

Ketryellowynne wrote: »

Let’s please address the elephant in the room. Healers. Supports, yes, but then you didn’t need to say tanks as well. Keep healers relevant.

For class passives specifically make something for every class that is determined by overheal (not heal). Reading the passives as they have existed to this point makes me terrified that you will end up writing healers as a role out of optimized end game entirely. We already see it in dungeons and arenas, running 3 DPS and a tank because “why would we run a healer if DDs can self-sustain and then we get more damage”? We already see it in current end game optimization where it’s common to run 1 heal, 1 tank.

My concern is that as DDs become more self sufficient and less necessity is placed on healing as a concept, end game groups will eliminate healers entirely because everything they provide can be provided equally as well by a support DD with 1 or 2 heals if necessary.

Example: Major Courage. As a very important buff, this has probably been the single most important thing for keeping healers relevant in the game since the best source (SPC) procs on overheal for 12 party members, no cooldown, potential 100% uptime with someone who plays it well enough. Adding this buff to a single skill on a werewolf is an enormous slap in the face. Where there aren’t specific heal checks, an optimized team can run a werewolf for Major courage instead of a healer at all. While this hasn’t been an issue previously (people choosing banners or Zenas, or soul burst or Yolna for minor courage instead of a werewolf in group), that was because it would be a net loss of damage to run a werewolf. In this case, with the emotional support doggo replacing the healer, it ends up a net increase rather than loss, assuming other buffs can still be sourced elsewhere.

Currently, the only buff that can only be sourced through healing is minor toughness. With Major courage more easily sourceable outside of healing, there becomes very few reasons to run a designated healer as opposed to only running support DDs in much optimized 12 man content.

KEEP HEALERS RELEVANT.

The class passives are an excellent opportunity to do this, but only if you model them with this in mind rather than just your damage or even just supports as a whole. Make a reason for a healer to be there instead of removing the existing ones.

(Edited for autocorrect sabotaging spelling)

You could probably solve this by allowing the WW Major Courage to only apply to other WWs.

So that it is a functional SPC replacement for all-WW groups, who otherwise have no means to source the buff group-wide, but it does not obviate the actual healer in more traditional groups.

Best of both worlds.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Ketryellowynne wrote: »

Let’s please address the elephant in the room. Healers. Supports, yes, but then you didn’t need to say tanks as well. Keep healers relevant.

For class passives specifically make something for every class that is determined by overheal (not heal). Reading the passives as they have existed to this point makes me terrified that you will end up writing healers as a role out of optimized end game entirely. We already see it in dungeons and arenas, running 3 DPS and a tank because “why would we run a healer if DDs can self-sustain and then we get more damage”? We already see it in current end game optimization where it’s common to run 1 heal, 1 tank.

My concern is that as DDs become more self sufficient and less necessity is placed on healing as a concept, end game groups will eliminate healers entirely because everything they provide can be provided equally as well by a support DD with 1 or 2 heals if necessary.

Example: Major Courage. As a very important buff, this has probably been the single most important thing for keeping healers relevant in the game since the best source (SPC) procs on overheal for 12 party members, no cooldown, potential 100% uptime with someone who plays it well enough. Adding this buff to a single skill on a werewolf is an enormous slap in the face. Where there aren’t specific heal checks, an optimized team can run a werewolf for Major courage instead of a healer at all. While this hasn’t been an issue previously (people choosing banners or Zenas, or soul burst or Yolna for minor courage instead of a werewolf in group), that was because it would be a net loss of damage to run a werewolf. In this case, with the emotional support doggo replacing the healer, it ends up a net increase rather than loss, assuming other buffs can still be sourced elsewhere.

Currently, the only buff that can only be sourced through healing is minor toughness. With Major courage more easily sourceable outside of healing, there becomes very few reasons to run a designated healer as opposed to only running support DDs in much optimized 12 man content.

KEEP HEALERS RELEVANT.

The class passives are an excellent opportunity to do this, but only if you model them with this in mind rather than just your damage or even just supports as a whole. Make a reason for a healer to be there instead of removing the existing ones.

(Edited for autocorrect sabotaging spelling)

You could probably solve this by allowing the WW Major Courage to only apply to other WWs.

So that it is a functional SPC replacement for all-WW groups, who otherwise have no means to source the buff group-wide, but it does not obviate the actual healer in more traditional groups.

Best of both worlds.

We want Werewolves to be useful in non-WW groups, too. Werewolves don't always play in WW-only groups, and we would love to be welcomed in regular groups for high end PvE/PvP.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Ketryellowynne wrote: »

Let’s please address the elephant in the room. Healers. Supports, yes, but then you didn’t need to say tanks as well. Keep healers relevant.

For class passives specifically make something for every class that is determined by overheal (not heal). Reading the passives as they have existed to this point makes me terrified that you will end up writing healers as a role out of optimized end game entirely. We already see it in dungeons and arenas, running 3 DPS and a tank because “why would we run a healer if DDs can self-sustain and then we get more damage”? We already see it in current end game optimization where it’s common to run 1 heal, 1 tank.

My concern is that as DDs become more self sufficient and less necessity is placed on healing as a concept, end game groups will eliminate healers entirely because everything they provide can be provided equally as well by a support DD with 1 or 2 heals if necessary.

Example: Major Courage. As a very important buff, this has probably been the single most important thing for keeping healers relevant in the game since the best source (SPC) procs on overheal for 12 party members, no cooldown, potential 100% uptime with someone who plays it well enough. Adding this buff to a single skill on a werewolf is an enormous slap in the face. Where there aren’t specific heal checks, an optimized team can run a werewolf for Major courage instead of a healer at all. While this hasn’t been an issue previously (people choosing banners or Zenas, or soul burst or Yolna for minor courage instead of a werewolf in group), that was because it would be a net loss of damage to run a werewolf. In this case, with the emotional support doggo replacing the healer, it ends up a net increase rather than loss, assuming other buffs can still be sourced elsewhere.

Currently, the only buff that can only be sourced through healing is minor toughness. With Major courage more easily sourceable outside of healing, there becomes very few reasons to run a designated healer as opposed to only running support DDs in much optimized 12 man content.

KEEP HEALERS RELEVANT.

The class passives are an excellent opportunity to do this, but only if you model them with this in mind rather than just your damage or even just supports as a whole. Make a reason for a healer to be there instead of removing the existing ones.

(Edited for autocorrect sabotaging spelling)

You could probably solve this by allowing the WW Major Courage to only apply to other WWs.

So that it is a functional SPC replacement for all-WW groups, who otherwise have no means to source the buff group-wide, but it does not obviate the actual healer in more traditional groups.

Best of both worlds.

We want Werewolves to be useful in non-WW groups, too. Werewolves don't always play in WW-only groups, and we would love to be welcomed in regular groups for high end PvE/PvP.

Sure, but not at the cost of displacing regular healers.

Hand-waiving the issue with, "Yeah, find something else for healers to do... in the future... yeah..." is not a viable proposal. WW changes are on the table now. The problem should be solved now. Whereas there is zero timetable or even any reason to assume that such a change to regular healers would ever be forthcoming.

It is one thing for WWs to be basically "Oakensoul, the ultimate" with all of these easily sourced comparatively rare buffs for themselves and other WWs. But that should not extend into the rest of the game or turn over the tea table on roles that have existed for a decade.

Like someone else said, make a buff that is actually unique to WWs and let a WW DD bring that to a raid. This Major Courage change is the WW version of DKs snatching away Major Berserk from Sorcerers. It's just robbing one role to pay-off another role in a very zero-sum fashion.

Vengeance Campaign (Cyrodiil)

• Campaign Options for Live Servers [Feedback]: We hear your feedback and concerns about Cyrodiil queues on the live servers in relation to having only Gray Host and Vengeance campaigns open. We will be paying close attention to queue times and population flow when Update 50 launches and will adjust as needed.

I cannot stress enough that this is an issue that needs to be nipped in the bud as soon as it can rather than let it become a problem for how many weeks/months after U50 goes live. GH queue times are already a problem, and Vengeance is not going to alleviate that problem. GH and Vengeance have their own separate player bases. The players who want to queue for GH aren't going to use Vengeance as waiting room, especially when the queue times for GH will be an average of 2-3+ hours. Not only that, but you will also be restricting players from using their other characters that don't belong to faction they are locked to.

Please do the right thing and keep BR in u50. Don't wait months collecting data and make a decision then. That's going to do nothing but cause problems

Erickson9610 wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Ketryellowynne wrote: »

Let’s please address the elephant in the room. Healers. Supports, yes, but then you didn’t need to say tanks as well. Keep healers relevant.

For class passives specifically make something for every class that is determined by overheal (not heal). Reading the passives as they have existed to this point makes me terrified that you will end up writing healers as a role out of optimized end game entirely. We already see it in dungeons and arenas, running 3 DPS and a tank because “why would we run a healer if DDs can self-sustain and then we get more damage”? We already see it in current end game optimization where it’s common to run 1 heal, 1 tank.

My concern is that as DDs become more self sufficient and less necessity is placed on healing as a concept, end game groups will eliminate healers entirely because everything they provide can be provided equally as well by a support DD with 1 or 2 heals if necessary.

Example: Major Courage. As a very important buff, this has probably been the single most important thing for keeping healers relevant in the game since the best source (SPC) procs on overheal for 12 party members, no cooldown, potential 100% uptime with someone who plays it well enough. Adding this buff to a single skill on a werewolf is an enormous slap in the face. Where there aren’t specific heal checks, an optimized team can run a werewolf for Major courage instead of a healer at all. While this hasn’t been an issue previously (people choosing banners or Zenas, or soul burst or Yolna for minor courage instead of a werewolf in group), that was because it would be a net loss of damage to run a werewolf. In this case, with the emotional support doggo replacing the healer, it ends up a net increase rather than loss, assuming other buffs can still be sourced elsewhere.

Currently, the only buff that can only be sourced through healing is minor toughness. With Major courage more easily sourceable outside of healing, there becomes very few reasons to run a designated healer as opposed to only running support DDs in much optimized 12 man content.

KEEP HEALERS RELEVANT.

The class passives are an excellent opportunity to do this, but only if you model them with this in mind rather than just your damage or even just supports as a whole. Make a reason for a healer to be there instead of removing the existing ones.

(Edited for autocorrect sabotaging spelling)

You could probably solve this by allowing the WW Major Courage to only apply to other WWs.

So that it is a functional SPC replacement for all-WW groups, who otherwise have no means to source the buff group-wide, but it does not obviate the actual healer in more traditional groups.

Best of both worlds.

We want Werewolves to be useful in non-WW groups, too. Werewolves don't always play in WW-only groups, and we would love to be welcomed in regular groups for high end PvE/PvP.

Sure, but not at the cost of displacing regular healers.

Hand-waiving the issue with, "Yeah, find something else for healers to do... in the future... yeah..." is not a viable proposal. WW changes are on the table now. The problem should be solved now. Whereas there is zero timetable or even any reason to assume that such a change to regular healers would ever be forthcoming.

It is one thing for WWs to be basically "Oakensoul, the ultimate" with all of these easily sourced comparatively rare buffs for themselves and other WWs. But that should not extend into the rest of the game or turn over the tea table on roles that have existed for a decade.

Like someone else said, make a buff that is actually unique to WWs and let a WW DD bring that to a raid. This Major Courage change is the WW version of DKs snatching away Major Berserk from Sorcerers. It's just robbing one role to pay-off another role in a very zero-sum fashion.

Regular healers will not be displaced. We shouldn't even require specific Item Sets for a healer to be "legitimate". If it's expected that every healer uses a Restoration Staff, then the Major Courage should be moved from Spell Power Cure into the Restoration Staff passives — when healing or overhealing with a Restoration Staff equipped, grant the target Major Courage (or some other desired buff).

The way I see it, this change encourages healers to also be Werewolves. They can revert form to heal others when necessary, but when healing is not necessary, they can play as a Werewolf (part of the goal of U50 is to encourage Magicka specs to play it) to deal damage while still offering Major Courage to the group.

In other words, you can expect groups to require their healers to be Werewolves, not their damage dealers. Healers are still relevant, even when healing itself isn't.

I feel like your statements come from a place of someone who would like to be included in endgame content, but never has been. These changes would 100% displace endgame healers and adding major courage to resto passives would be the exact same net effect:

“Why would I source this buff from healing when I can source it from damage and kill everything faster”

While I do understand your thoughts, it’s very clear they are from the PoV of someone who does not participate actively in endgame content, especially not as a healer. Werewolves lose absolutely nothing by not gaining major courage sourceable by a werewolf skill. They do not have it in live, and this buff has no reason to frankly come to live on them. They ALREADY have minor courage. Adding an additional werewolf specific would encourage use not only for that buff, but also for the minor courage buff they can already get. Ever since Zenas nerf (which was a huge hit to Arcanist healers specifically in terms of validity), minor courage sourcing has moved and technically *could* be moved to a werewolf IF there were more reasons to slot them. Taking major courage, however, eliminates the healer validity. Moving it from SPC to a resto staff doesn’t solve the problem: it moves it, and technically makes it worse.

You are not “encouraging magicka specs”. Healers are already specking magicka (even as a WW healer much of the time), so you’re just pushing aside the existence of an entire role in not just ESO but MMORPGs as a whole because you want to see more werewolves in the same end game content you self-admittedly do not participate in. You’re not making your healers be WWs. You’re replacing them with werewolves.

As someone who *does* actively participate in engame as a healer specifically, a change like this would make me want to stop playing altogether. Healing in end game/scorepush is probably the most competitive role in game for slots. Those of us who *have* managed to find a place where we get to play as a healer have had to work extremely hard to get that role in serious groups. Don’t take away what little role we have left for werewolves, and don’t force lycanthropy on healers if they don’t want to lose their place. We’re already suffering under the price tag of siphoning meta. The reworks offer an opportunity for an expansion of meta for healers. They should NOT be the death of the role.

Nord_Raseri wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

[*] We have seen the feedback regarding the glowing markings on the Werewolf model for Ultimate Morphs, ranging from toning down the intensity of the glow to removing the glow entirely.

I would prefer to be able to remove the markings entirely. Not just the glow.

This or do what they did with molten armaments and give us an option for all colors with the markings or not. I too would prefer not to have them at all but I might use them on characters down the line where I would also like them as an option. I also realize now that this was why more fur wasn't an option but I'd almost rather have a better fur spread and no markings if I had to choose one personally.

I dont see any potencial scenario where you can go without healers in vet dlc dungeons and trials . It's just anxiety out of nowhere here. Just try it and you will not live for long. For most part we dont see healer or tank in normal (or even dlc and vet base game dungeons) only because queue for dd is SO LONG so its easier for them to switch roles or most dungeons let you skip most of mechanics with higher dps than expected. THIS is NOT problem of losing buffs or something.

Saying to all of people here who scared about healer extinction only because ONE buff from only ONE viable set (Olorime doesnt work well and nobody wear mythics that provides Major Courage it) in game will be given to Werewolf its crazy. Also by doing math we can see that Major Courage not so viable in 4 man content - its only shine in trials, specially in vet trial. So anyone of you actually played in them? Because its such a hard work - to keep ALL buff for 100% uptime and by giving major courage to werewolf we can use ANY other sets that will provide buffs to whole group. Dont forget about that healer is SUPPORT ROLE.
For me as healer player in normal and vet content this seems like greed and overreaction. Im tired of SCP meta and buffs from only one source.

Imagine world when you no longer need to farm White Gold Tower to became good healer. If we want more healers - we should make it easier for them to go in.

Im not a big fun of role-dependent buff and debuff. Support roles will always be viable and there SO SO MANY options to bring without SPC!

I for the most part really like the DK changes. But I'm very disappointed to see that the proposed class mastery passives don't do anything towards making DKs into decent tanks again. The loss of the Battle Roar ultimate->resources passive was a huge hit, and I know there were others.

I learned to tank on a DK, I still prefer to tank on a DK, but it's not really feasible any more.

I've been searching for a forum post I read back when the DK changes were first on the PTS, about how the passive changes gutted DK tanks, but I can't find it. I wish I could, because I am not an expert on either DK or tanking, and I wish I could quote the person who was. But since I can't find it: let DKs be tanks again, please! Not OP, just bring them back up to par.

lexsota wrote: »

I dont see any potencial scenario where you can go without healers in vet dlc dungeons and trials . It's just anxiety out of nowhere here. Just try it and you will not live for long. For most part we dont see healer or tank in normal (or even dlc and vet base game dungeons) only because queue for dd is SO LONG so its easier for them to switch roles or most dungeons let you skip most of mechanics with higher dps than expected. THIS is NOT problem of losing buffs or something.

Vet and even HM dungeons also, for the most part, can have most of their mechanics skipped if you 3dps it. Unhallowed grave trifecta is and always has been best done 3 dps because there's no DoTs to heal through, while the mechanics focus on doing damage. Black Gem Foundry WR is even 3 dps iirc and that one has heal checks that most groups would need a healer for. Unchained used to be the hardest 4-man content and that is often 3 dpsed as well. This game is one of stacking damage, healers often fall by the wayside in favor of more damage. The only way to fix this is to both reign in power creep and add more punishing healer mechanics.

lexsota wrote: »

Saying to all of people here who scared about healer extinction only because ONE buff from only ONE viable set (Olorime doesnt work well and nobody wear mythics that provides Major Courage it) in game will be given to Werewolf its crazy. Also by doing math we can see that Major Courage not so viable in 4 man content - its only shine in trials, specially in vet trial. So anyone of you actually played in them? Because its such a hard work - to keep ALL buff for 100% uptime and by giving major courage to werewolf we can use ANY other sets that will provide buffs to whole group. Dont forget about that healer is SUPPORT ROLE.

Now, I agree that major courage on a werewolf won't cause healers to be extinct on it's own but... what are you on about? Olorime gets used by tanks built for 3 dps runs in dungeons because major courage is so important. And SPC is one of the easiest sets to keep 100% uptime on?

lexsota wrote: »

For me as healer player in normal and vet content this seems like greed and overreaction. Im tired of SCP meta and buffs from only one source.

Realistically, if healers get SPC taken away, it'll just be replaced by a different set. The root problem is unresolvable, certain buffs will always be expected. It would be nice, admittedly, to be able to play around with other sets instead of feeling like I need to do SPC/ma or pa as a healer, but werewolf major courage wouldn't even be relevant for most dungeon runs.

lexsota wrote: »

Imagine world when you no longer need to farm White Gold Tower to became good healer. If we want more healers - we should make it easier for them to go in.

Healer is potentially the easiest role to get gear for. Can just... get body SPC from a few runs of WGT and buy PA. Tanks usually need at least one set from trials just because of the group buffs and DPS usually need at least one set from trials because of minor slayer.