Casul wrote: »

DestroyerPewnack wrote: »

Hello. I am here to rip your head off. If you can kindly get comfortable in this guillotine...

*Casts Shadowy Disguise*

You'd better be casting that skill as a Nightblade, otherwise I'm going to lose it!

In a perspective where the game goes towards, getting rid of the class idea would be logical.
However, there are still lots of technical questions devs have to solve. Some of them:
1. Creating a character. A simple "chose 3 skill lines of 21 to start" won't work that easily for a new player. It is overwhelming and breaks the starter experience. Prioritizing some branches over others or grouping them turns to a templating, that is a light form of... ta-daaa... class system.
2. Further separating the class skill lines from others would be an outdated construct. No question about the crafting lines, sure. Weapon and armor lines are ok. Guild lines... mmm... fine, but no, not fine. The guild, world, and pvp skill lines are obtainable and have an inner connection each. By the idea, the only difference between them and class lines is that class ones are obtainable by having a class. See what we come into? Why can we have only 3 of these lines, but all the others can be active simultaneously? The whole skill line system would require consequential rework because we have lots of "class system" legacy structures there.
3. Opening the skill lines require further rework too. Todays class lines would have been obtainable in some way. I like how it is done for weapon lines. It also can be done in WW/Vamp style, like an NPC who offers, "Do you want to master an animal magic?" Lots of work and lots of legacy here too. If you leave it as is, you'll have a ghost of the class system over you even if you declare that it is removed.

Emotionally, I won't love a pure no-class system. That would be a different game.
Call me a conservative old man, but I like my alts, who have their own classes, quentas, and personalities. I created them to play different styles and roles. Today I rarely login to them due to subclassing, and I miss them.
Class rework with some revamping of the class identity could fix it a bit, I believe.

DestroyerPewnack wrote: »

Hello. I am here to rip your head off. If you can kindly get comfortable in this guillotine...

That seems more like a chopping action, not a ripping action...

Please leave my classes alone.

Hard NO from me. Get over it. Embrace sub-classing. ZoS have already spent way too much time on people without enough investment in the game to level multiple classes.
Not having classes would make the game blander.
Also, most players have made the investment in levelling characters of multiple classes. Is ZoS going to pay them all back for their time and crowns investment in levelling all these characters?

I'm thankful for the subclass system because it showed how bad some of the abilities of my class (Sorceress) are. I hope that there will be some good improvements to it with the rework so that it is no longer necessary to subclass.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

This one wishes you nothing but peace and blessing even though not agreeing with dropping class system base. Too many games with universal build systems turn stale and boring (to me) with that style. Understanding this is the single player style of Elder Scrolls canon, in a MMO, I believe the original devs had it right at launch.

randconfig wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

This one wishes you nothing but peace and blessing even though not agreeing with dropping class system base. Too many games with universal build systems turn stale and boring (to me) with that style. Understanding this is the single player style of Elder Scrolls canon, in a MMO, I believe the original devs had it right at launch.

I agree with this one.

The only thing I think would be acceptable is the ability to change your class via respec. Class restrictions must remain though otherwise the game will become stale with everyone more or less running the same setup.

this is already pretty boring/repetitive, no matter what class i make new char same stuff and not enough spells and skill to chose from, like where is ice shard, spell that throws a ice shard at person or spell similar to dragon breath u shoot from ur hand and same type of ice and lightning spell? it should have many fun spells and stick to elders scrolls roots, like have different magic skills, alteration restoration and destruction and so on and on

if u chose role instead of class u have a lot more choices and freedom, but still more should be added, even more morphes for skills to, 1 skill having 2 morphes gets boring, and its part of base game cause that's how it should have been sins launch

if u want to become templar u got to a temple and join it like a guild and learn the ways of the templar, if u want to become DH u go to a dragon worshiping tribe to learn the ways of DK

Rungar wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

This one wishes you nothing but peace and blessing even though not agreeing with dropping class system base. Too many games with universal build systems turn stale and boring (to me) with that style. Understanding this is the single player style of Elder Scrolls canon, in a MMO, I believe the original devs had it right at launch.

naa they had it wrong. Each skill line should of been its own thing like oblivion or even skyrim. They almost had it with subclassing but they forgot the most important step:

a damage type and role based specialization system to replace cp.

had they done that rather than the class refresh they would of had the freedom of the subclass system but also the identity of the specialization system since each damage type would be represented. This would of been very important to balance pvp but they chickened out and went back to what they know i guess (which never worked). Too bad.

like what said, like they had in single players game, alteration restoration and so on and on, and all having a lot of spells, not just handfull

but it works better with classless system

Pcgamer wrote: »

With all due respect OP, if they changed the current class system then this game would no longer be ESO. As is with all the changes we've had already and those changes that are yet to come, eso is starting to feel like a different game.

I'd rather be able to race change for free. I subscribe to eso so i don't expsct a free game but race changes would feel right being free as that would make build creation easier. Just my opinion afcourse.

It would also be cool if we could pay to chage our class...not expecting that to be free. I know my partner would love to change his main character's class cos he's just returned a few months ago and he wishes his main was a different class.

Have a great day/evening OP

with that change it would be true elders scrolls game, i played sins early on and was disappointed by lack of freedom i had in example skyrim, it can be done in mmo to and should be done when the freedom is this franchises core

tauriel01 wrote: »

I'm sure if ZOS COULD get rid of classes and stam/mag differentiation, they would have years ago. Almost certainly it's all hard baked into the code. That was obvious when they tried to change the jewelry enchants for max magic dam and max physical damage. they couldn't make just one rune for both, so they had to keep two and added a little bit of sustain. It's all hard baked into the code, they would have to rewrite 25million + Lines of code to get rid of all that entirely. So don't expect any of that to change. Too bad for those who want to get rid of it, little comfort to those who wish there was more to distinguish playing stam or mag or even different classes.

its not about code but cost, they want to spend as little as possible and at the same time profit as much as possible to get ppl addicted to one thing or the other so u wouldn't notices how repetitive combat is, most company's use psychological tricks to keep u interested instead of giving u quality, to make up either their shortcoming or greed

El_Borracho wrote: »

Classes are there to force players to make a decision that comes with advantages and drawbacks. That worked fine until subclassing. If anything, I'd rather scrap subclassing and go back to pure classes. Even better, get rid of hybridization, too.

with role system it would be same but more freedom more skills and spells to chose from
but to add to that game needs not just more skills and spells and morphes but also weapon skills and spells, like 1example 2h tree has more to chose from, many more styles

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

This one wishes you nothing but peace and blessing even though not agreeing with dropping class system base. Too many games with universal build systems turn stale and boring (to me) with that style. Understanding this is the single player style of Elder Scrolls canon, in a MMO, I believe the original devs had it right at launch.

That's the problem though even with a "class" system here it's become stale and boring. Name me the last time you did a dungeon where at least 2 people weren't dpsing with fatecarver..every dungeon, every trial, every random person I see essentially out in the world is running the same build or like 90% of the same build. There is no flavor anymore to the game. They have made everything feel the same. They have almost taken away the triad as well outside of trials. You can beat almost every single dungeon with 4 dps if you want.

totally agree, boring and repetitive

El_Borracho wrote: »

Classes are there to force players to make a decision that comes with advantages and drawbacks. That worked fine until subclassing. If anything, I'd rather scrap subclassing and go back to pure classes. Even better, get rid of hybridization, too.

this can be done with role system to, instead u have role system, u have basic necessary skills for ur role u chose in char creation, to do ur role if u gear up rest skills spells are available for all like typical elder scrolls games, but u wont be able to be OP, like both DPS and and tank or healer, u just have slight advantages for solo PVE

role sys would mean DK wont be a class but tribe thing where u visit a tribe and learn the ways of DK, so new guild like groups will be added, i just explained how the role sys would work

it does same job as class sys

xFocused wrote: »

Trier_Sero wrote: »

Remove subclassing guys. It's still not too late.

It's honestly a shame to see how the subclassing update drove away as many players as it did. I've lost a lot of friends and acquaintances from the update and I can't really blame them. Class identity was such a big part of this game and by the time they get done releasing all these new class re-works it'll be too late

this subclass is lazy job, it gives skill tree from existing class, it should be new skill tree not from existing class, that's how subclasses are in other games and reason i call it lazy job, 2 lazy to create new skills for subclass

neverwinter knights 1 and 2 are good examples of subclass

I wish we could select more than one skill line from another class when subclassing. I don't understand why they had these restrictions around it in the first place.

Trier_Sero wrote: »

Remove subclassing guys. It's still not too late.

Naw, give us even more freedom. let us pick whatever skills we want. Nothing will ever truly be balanced anyway. there will always be something that is overpowered. I just say let it all loose

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QB1 wrote: »

I would love to move away from classes. I think players should be able to choose any skill from any skill line for complete character freedom. However you don’t get all passives, if you take 1 active skill from a skill line you only get 1 passive from it. 2 active skills from a skill line is 2 passives, and so on

thats how this would work:
u have role system, u have basic necessary skills for ur role u chose in char creation, to do ur role if u gear up rest skills spells are available for all like typical elder scrolls games, but u wont be able to be OP, like both DPS and and tank or healer, u just have slight advantages for solo PVE

role sys would mean DK wont be a class but tribe thing where u visit a tribe and learn the ways of DK, so new guild like groups will be added

passives are tied to roles, like role specific skills/spells, DK u get from tribe but there are a lot more skills and spells and u pick and chose, even D skills/spells

or scrap all existing classes, meaning for example DK will be totally gone, and all skills are pick and chose, only role related skills are with u from the start, but that's more cost and work

I think it's time we keep the class system. It's very Elder Scrollish. Very lore friendly, reminds me of Oblivion kind of.

ZOS, please keep the class system.

I don't see classes being removed. They've been far more useful for ESO then any other TES game since it actually puts effort into the magic and abilities. If this was the usual TES game then like 99% of all abilities and spells would be deleted.

some think popped to my head, imagine some1 combining grave lord and Deadrick summoning, imagine what a nightmare it would be to fight against some1 like that when pet sorc was already annoying, new combine 2pet trees lol

if its necro they can add wardens animal companion to, to make it worse lol