@Zos these reviews are destroying. Can you please finally react and do something?

Never had such a boring and empty MYM in 10y of playing

Gigglez wrote: »

Subclassing I can't level up no skill points.
12 or so toons, played 10yrs.
Have all sub class levelled but in order to actually use on most of my toons I don't have enough skill points to subclass.
The double point cost is stopping me from adjusting them.
If you don't adjust you can't compete.
I have 2 that I can use and have been a bit but really pisses me off I can't use the other ten until I replay them for many hours to get skill points. That is really bad desicion.

I agree, I haven't actually played my toon but leveled up two skill lines and it is just not well thought out. It feels like ZoS added that to keep players busy grinding but it has had the opposite effect. Seriously why go to the trouble of adding all this but making it such a grind. Does anyone at any meetings just ask if this is going to make the game actually enjoyable or fun for the players.

Hi,

I can only speak for myself but MYM is my favorite event and I haven't participated at all for three reasons:

1. I honestly did not know it was occurring
2. I happen to have a lot going on IRL such that I'm not logging in between group commitments (raid, dungeon team)
3. Even if I had time, and I had known, I would have done only the barest minimum to get my tickets because subclassing was so massively disruptive to how I play that I am nowhere near ready to start exploring PvP setups. I haven't even unlocked all the skill lines yet. I set up my DPS that I raid with, and I have one healing build, but I still have a long way to go to shore up my healing setups for dungeons and raids. Then, on top of that, so many people were saying that U47 was also going to be massively disruptive which meant it felt pointless to try and start researching PvP builds until that was released. I have a fair amount of transmute crystals but not so many that I can just throw them away on builds that won't be valid in a few weeks.
   
   My character slots are maxed out and almost all of my characters are "real" (a couple are mules) and each one has its own PvP setup. It's going to be a long while before I can feel that I have decent setups on even a few of them.
   
   On top of that, these Vengeance tests are the exact opposite of subclassing (so few options and very limiting) which has me concerned that at some point subclassing will be pulled from PvP and I'll have to re-do everything AGAIN.
   
   It's just... a lot. It is the first time in the history of ESO for me that it feels impossible to "keep up." I don't need to be meta, but subclassing blew up pure classes such that pretty much every single character needs to be updated to be set up for success. This is just a hobby!

They should remove the dead campaigns to shore up the numbers in live ones.

Subclassing is the game’s greatest joke, rolling in like a clown car full of bad decisions. Its influence is spreading like a plague, tearing through everything—events included.

LadyGP wrote: »

Thessirae wrote: »

I've pvped quite abit so far and I honestly think subclassing is the problem.


It puts such high requirements on having a decent time; because just using your main class is too weak.

Also the 30-45 min que on Grey Host + combination of lag.

I do not think we're ''short on players'' cause the turnout on peak times isn't that bad

I think they need to return vengeance campaign and do it without subclassing.

Back to the basics

Good point.

I'll say this as someone who has been in Cyro 5 times a week (min) for like... 7 years straight... I took a solid 10 months off and came back post subclassing.

My typical dk build that slapped in Cyro just 10 months ago has me getting absolutley dumpstered. It's night and day how far the power curve is. My first day or two were not fun AT ALL. I'm still not having fun but... it's not as bad as it was lol.

I was about the same. I was away since the last MyM and came back for Vengeance and this MyM. The couple of weeks I had to warm up before this week's event I went out on my old DK. It was a typical churn n' burn brawler and for the most part it was okay. A lot of people just coulen't hurt me at all. But I also couldn't hurt them now that my sustain and dot damage had taken such a hit. The few people that really knew how to make a subclass build were in a completely different league though and I was actually hard countered in ever way possible. It was very un-fun. I started leveling some skill lines for later and it was almost comical how little damage both myself and others could do while I just tank-healed my way through everything.

Finally, I threw together a quick build just for this event. All-in on damage. Aedric, Animals, Assassin. Something like 149% crit damage and nearly 70% crit chance when the passives kicked in (if the fight even lasted that long). Plenty of damage and pen. Max speed. Infinite sustain. The only real weakness that I had to wear five pieces of light armor and only had one HoT and a burst heal on. It was night and day for me. If I came across someone unprepared I would just blow them out of the water. If they were running something similar then it was just down to who could pull off their combo in the lag first. Occasionally I'd come across someone properly tanked - likely using a build pre-subclassing and they just posed zero threat to me. In some cases I could eventually wear them down. In other cases it was a total stalemate. Overall, it still just wasn't fun because it felt like the build was doing all of the work for me. There really wasn't much to think about or consider. Do combo. Rinse repeat. Maybe it works first time. Maybe it doesn't and I just walk (very very fast walk lol) away.

Stamicka wrote: »

I'm curious to hear why so many players avoided this most recent Midyear Mayhem event. Each event the turnout gets lower, but this time it's shockingly low. The added campaigns were not needed at all. Personally speaking, I only played a little for the first 2 days and lost interest after that. I have a long list of reasons, but it would probably be useful for ZOS to see other perspectives.

Feel free to share your reasons.

Consistent bombings. You can't take 5 to 10 steps outside without getting dragged and insta-killed along with 2 or 3 other people.

I love PvP and I love Vengeance. Didn't have time for it last time, but glad I made time. But this here is just foolishness. Its silly, its one thing by itself but people are taking the bombings to ridiculous lengths, meta subclasses everywhere, obscene amounts of damage being dished out with no counter-play, so on so forth.

It's a hot mess and I don't have the time or inclination anymore to sort out a bunch of people more or less reacting to and grief bombing one another. That is not PvP, and I just can only imagine what fresh hell the new folks and casuals must be dealing with. I saw a bunch of PvE folks doing quests and so forth the other day, didn't bother them.

No reason to when you can't even PvP without getting constantly instant-killed, so that just leaves other non-PvP activities. It's real sad but also not my fault.

*Also, the rubber banding was awful. It was so bad. Rush of Agony everywhere, I'm not trying to be a diva when I say this, but the game just wasn't playable. Too much Rush of Agony. It's not playable and even if you're in a group it's just standing around while one or two people do the kills. If I attack anyone I get singled out and pulled. Not playable or worth playing.

I'm on PS5. But so far I like multiclassing in PvP. Of course underperforming skill lines still need to be buffed to be comparable to the Assassination/Animal companions/Aedric Spear/Storm calling/restoring light combinations, but it's at least possible to kill people now. The invincible tank/healing problem is finally cracking.

As for people complaining about groups, it's basically what Cyrodiil is for. You're not supposed to win 1 person against 10 people.
Try dueling if you want 1 on 1.

Gigglez wrote: »

Subclassing I can't level up no skill points.
12 or so toons, played 10yrs.
Have all sub class levelled but in order to actually use on most of my toons I don't have enough skill points to subclass.
The double point cost is stopping me from adjusting them.
If you don't adjust you can't compete.
I have 2 that I can use and have been a bit but really pisses me off I can't use the other ten until I replay them for many hours to get skill points. That is really bad desicion.

As a fellow altoholic... If you need skill points quick, check your public dungeon achieves and do the missing group challenges (these achieves are character-specific). Each gives you a skill point+there are skyshards in every public dungeon.
Might seem obvious, but when I was respeccing my alts, I noticed that many of them were missing a bunch of these group challenges.

Most PvP players have left - that would be my guess. It’s not vengeance style, so we’re also back to really low pop caps and a super long queue with it as a result. Not worth it for the same old same old stuff.

It's not Vengeance. Just the same old, same old.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

They should remove the dead campaigns to shore up the numbers in live ones.

There is something people keep leaving out... yes.. this is hands down the weakest turn out for MYM that I have ever seen..

But the queue is still 2 hours long.. why?!

They either A) lowered the pop cap (which they didn't) or The afk macro people are a problem.

Last night was the 4th night in a row where I spent 1.5-2 hours in queue (I got in queue right after work) only to get into Cyro and... struggle to find fights. The fights you did find were just stupid... the 4 people running circles around trees and rocks, running in towers, etc.

The largest ap tick I've gotten so far was.. 20k? I'm used to 150k ticks in MYM.

There is something going on with this camp. I don't know if there are stale sessions that aren't being cleared @ZOS_Kevin or if the pop somehow got borked between veng and this MYM... it just feels.... way off.

I know priorities are hard to shift and get dev time to look into stuff... but is there any chance we could get a dev just to do a quick once over of the cap/sessions etc and make sure there is nothing going on, Kevin?

Gigglez wrote: »

Subclassing I can't level up no skill points.
12 or so toons, played 10yrs.
Have all sub class levelled but in order to actually use on most of my toons I don't have enough skill points to subclass.
The double point cost is stopping me from adjusting them.
If you don't adjust you can't compete.
I have 2 that I can use and have been a bit but really pisses me off I can't use the other ten until I replay them for many hours to get skill points. That is really bad desicion.

Isn't that the point though, to get people to have to rerun basic content more? Subclassing was also putting the balancing of things in the hands of the players instead of the devs. In other words, good players will be better with subclassing, and lower level players will have a steeper hill to climb to catch up.

- Ap is worthless
- Event tickets are worthless
- Cyrodil player cap is too low and too laggy
- Keep takes are boring since most seige mechanics were removed involving resource nodes
- if 1vX 10 year veteran players have hard times finding fights, do we really expect a brand new lvl 10 pug to find one in greyhost?
- Pug groups disband after being wiped once by a no contest ball group abusing multiple layers of game mechanics designed in their favor
- Transitus lines aim to group up the already laggy server around the ring instead of incentivizing other routes.
- Campaign rules and keep bonuses favor the winning faction and not the underdog, allowing a snowball effect leading to players logging out.

IDK we can keep going

I'm another that dropped my sub and stopped playing PvP with u46's multiclassing.