Population shrinking, please BRING CROSSPLAY QUICK

Elowen_Starveil · May 13

LadyGP wrote: »

dk_dunkirk wrote: »

The whole thing is being re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-re-litigated here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/641015/any-crossplay-plans-coming-with-the-new-servers-changes#latest

Implementing cross-play after launch -- when it wasn't "baked in" up front -- will require an ENORMOUS investment by ZOS, in terms of development time and infrastructure. Does anyone seriously think the move would bring in enough extra REVENUE (from new players drawn to the game because of the addition) to JUSTIFY that investment?

The simple answer is no. And, in fact, they've been telling us no for 11 years. People just don't want to hear the answer. The economics just don't work. Otherwise, they'd have already done it.

Spot on.

It's not going to happen. Can it happen from a technical standpoint - maybe - but not without an insane amount of refactoring of the code and an enormouse amount of time/money that ZoS either doesn't have or won't be able to get approval for (please don't link to the article saying how much ZoS makes a year/month I get it).

IF they were going to add crossplay they might as well use a new engine for ESO. The amount of work to add cross play with the current engine would be similar in scope as it would be to just build eso with a new engine.

The question isn't going to stop coming up but the answer is going to remain no. The game is so far in it's lifecycle that if it was going to happen (and the engine was going to happen) it would/should have happened around year 5 of the game being live.

At this point - no one in a leadership role with any sense would sign off on this kind of work. They just don't have the staff/time/money to make it happen at this point.

And to your point @dk_dunkirk I don't think it would bring in new players... not for a long time anyways. It would make the current players "feel better" about the game (aka it's dead comments) but aside from that... I don't see people who have never played eso.. or played ages ago.. coming back because of cross play. I also don't see current people spending more money because they added it.

Agree about how they might as well start over with a new engine. It then becomes even more telling that Matt Frior was just on a podcast last week talking very proudly about how well the engine scales. (And it really does! My $700 PC from a couple years ago runs it at 4K@60FPS on ultra settings and never skips a beat.) But it was clear to me from that comment that Hero Engine is locked in till the end of this game's lifetime.

Hypertionb14_ESO · May 14

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

MorallyBipolar · May 14

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

If console players want to play with PC players then they should play on PC. It's a much better experience on PC anyway. You can still use your console controller on PC.

SerafinaWaterstar · May 14

Rather than get triggered by the previous comment, shall just say I had to queue last night (Tuesday) to enter Cyro on PSEU - not exactly peak time. And kill feed was full of names I didn’t know.

So perhaps not as dire?

fizzybeef · May 14

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Rather than get triggered by the previous comment, shall just say I had to queue last night (Tuesday) to enter Cyro on PSEU - not exactly peak time. And kill feed was full of names I didn’t know.

So perhaps not as dire?

I agree yesterday was busy with 3 Bar DC , 3 BAR AD and 2 BAR EP.

But it is really rare, a lot of time i gotta admit it´s indead really empty in PS EU PvP and far away from population cap.

Cross platform / Crossplay would help here a lot.

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

Agreeing on this too, it´s not to late & it´s about time.

fizzybeef · May 14

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

If console players want to play with PC players then they should play on PC. It's a much better experience on PC anyway. You can still use your console controller on PC.

Would you be paying for the PC´s and the new accounts ? For the DLC´s , chapters , cosmetics ? Would you restart to farm and level xp ? Mount speed, skill lines, scribing ? Collecting Archivements ?

Calastir · May 14

Finishing 2 daily quests on PC/EU or PC/NA used to take about 15 minutes tops but this past year I literally have to beg in zone for help on both accounts every day.

Beg for help and offer share quest at Events.
Beg for help and offer share quest at World Bosses.

Just finishing 2 daily quests takes me almost an hour with begging but unless I do, that would take even longer since nobody's ever around.

I'm a member of 5 large guilds on both accounts but even begging there yields only a handful of responses at all and I don't want to have to do that for every group quest I take on. No matter the time of day or night, it always feels like I'm the only one actually playing the game.

fizzybeef · May 14

Calastir wrote: »

Finishing 2 daily quests on PC/EU or PC/NA used to take about 15 minutes tops but this past year I literally have to beg in zone for help on both accounts every day.

Beg for help and offer share quest at Events.
Beg for help and offer share quest at World Bosses.

Just finishing 2 daily quests takes me almost an hour with begging but unless I do, that would take even longer since nobody's ever around.

I'm a member of 5 large guilds on both accounts but even begging there yields only a handful of responses at all and I don't want to have to do that for every group quest I take on. No matter the time of day or night, it always feels like I'm the only one actually playing the game.

Just imagine this on a server wich is by far more empty then yours on PC (skullemoji)

SerafinaWaterstar · May 14

fizzybeef wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Rather than get triggered by the previous comment, shall just say I had to queue last night (Tuesday) to enter Cyro on PSEU - not exactly peak time. And kill feed was full of names I didn’t know.

So perhaps not as dire?

I agree yesterday was busy with 3 Bar DC , 3 BAR AD and 2 BAR EP.

But it is really rare, a lot of time i gotta admit it´s indead really empty in PS EU PvP and far away from population cap.

Cross platform / Crossplay would help here a lot.

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

Agreeing on this too, it´s not to late & it´s about time.

I just don’t agree with you on the emptiness of pvp - what campaign are you playing in?

Grey is usually has a lot of players and there have been queues quite regularly.

Elowen_Starveil · May 14

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

I was initially very skeptical of this response, but I spent some time asking ChatGPT about all of this, and found that, yes, in fact, many prominent games have implemented crossplay post-launch, and -- butter my biscuits -- it was wildly successful. Here's a graph to summarize a lot of text and back and forth.

I was of the opinion that implementing crossplay could not possibly pay for itself in terms of development and infrastructure costs. Now I feel that's a wide-open question. If it could possibly double player counts... ZOS, do you need a 30-year full stack developer to help you with this?

Daoin · May 14

amiiegee · May 14

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

Rather than get triggered by the previous comment, shall just say I had to queue last night (Tuesday) to enter Cyro on PSEU - not exactly peak time. And kill feed was full of names I didn’t know.

So perhaps not as dire?

I agree yesterday was busy with 3 Bar DC , 3 BAR AD and 2 BAR EP.

But it is really rare, a lot of time i gotta admit it´s indead really empty in PS EU PvP and far away from population cap.

Cross platform / Crossplay would help here a lot.

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

Agreeing on this too, it´s not to late & it´s about time.

I just don’t agree with you on the emptiness of pvp - what campaign are you playing in?

Grey is usually has a lot of players and there have been queues quite regularly.

I dont know if youre trolling or playing on a different grey host ps eu server but aside of this response here i will not have the discussion with you.

In the thread have been multiple evidences about the overall decline of the population wich is NOT JUST ABOUT PVP but also being indicated by the pvp bars.

You can decide to ignore them and just pick out 2 days in a week when your faction wich is 100% either DC or AD, since ep are not playing this campaign had a queue of 5 ✌️

amiiegee wrote: »

PS EU 10:40 pm

PS NA 5:40 pm

this is outragous, the game is so dead on PS EU.

Pls @ZOS_Kevin can you give a statement about crossplay plans?

amiiegee wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

Right so while i was traveling arround i asked myself what i am doing here ngl.
I dont understand why people come arround and wanna defend the shocking state of the population of the game so bad.
What are the benefits of that ? If im right and the population is bad and in the same way ASKING for help by zos to take action, isnt that your benefit aswell?

I play the game since release, i have seen good and bad times. And the population is in a shocking low state.

So since the person above wrote the bars themself are not a proof of anything and the other person above wrote best indicator are the undaunted places

licenturion wrote: »

The best way to measure population currently online at any point is to see how many people are around the undaunted (esp Grathwood). If it is usually very busy there, there are lots of players online.

here we go.

GREENSHADE 8:30 pm EU TIME , 6 players arround including myself

WAYREST 8:31 pm EU TIME 9 players arround including myself (1 not sure if npc or not by outfit)

MOURNHOLD 8:32 pm EU TIME 4 players arround including myself

BELKARTH wich is a hotspot for trials being hosted etc 8.33 pm EU time , 16 players arround including myself

PVP PS EU 8:34 PM

PVP PS NA who are 6-7 hours BEHIND us, so arround 2:34 or 3:34 pm time

Look guys i dont wanna offend anyone. I dont want to talk your game bad, its my favorite game aswell.
Im here because im frustrated and upset and i want the game to continue to be good.

On the server PS EU the population is really low.

If youre on another server i encourage you to compare these hotspots or the pvp bars in the same time. Since i got a PC EU account aswell for PTS sake, i know PC is on a healthy state and the PS NA server seems to be the same.

But XBOX EU and PS EU are suffering. Speaking for myself , i will not level and invest into another account.

If ESO dies on my server its done for me and i dont want that. Please do something @ZOS, take ACTION - eventually bring crossplay.

Only you know the exact numbers, what i sent were only indicators. But the indicators are suggesting the population is really low.

amiiegee wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

Today is even worse, its a bank holliday in some countries and a sunday. This is the pop on a sunday at 8 pm.

Twohothardware wrote: »

The by far best thing they could do for population is Crossplay since right now we're all split up between three different servers in each region.

I agree and to be honest crossplay is long time due. I hope them bringing addons to console´s is their first step into that direction but i have doubts.

icapital wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

Saturday prime time

2 Bar AD, 1 Bar EP , 3 Bar DC

the state of this 💀

amiiegee wrote: »

Meanwhile on the NA server who are like 6-7 hours behind us.

This is a joke

amiiegee · May 14

dk_dunkirk wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

I was initially very skeptical of this response, but I spent some time asking ChatGPT about all of this, and found that, yes, in fact, many prominent games have implemented crossplay post-launch, and -- butter my biscuits -- it was wildly successful. Here's a graph to summarize a lot of text and back and forth.

I was of the opinion that implementing crossplay could not possibly pay for itself in terms of development and infrastructure costs. Now I feel that's a wide-open question. If it could possibly double player counts... ZOS, do you need a 30-year full stack developer to help you with this?

Its also just logical. To ignore the benefits of crossplay, since it would give the game overall a massive boost in keeping it alive, are economical questionable.

Tandor · May 14

fizzybeef wrote: »

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

If console players want to play with PC players then they should play on PC. It's a much better experience on PC anyway. You can still use your console controller on PC.

Would you be paying for the PC´s and the new accounts ? For the DLC´s , chapters , cosmetics ? Would you restart to farm and level xp ? Mount speed, skill lines, scribing ? Collecting Archivements ?

Would you be paying ZOS for the development time including testing and the legal fees involved in negotiations with the platform providers in order to get crossplay? Would those console players wanting it be willing to pay for it or would they just log in as usual, just to a different server, and maybe not even pay a subscription?

amiiegee · May 14

Tandor wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

If console players want to play with PC players then they should play on PC. It's a much better experience on PC anyway. You can still use your console controller on PC.

Would you be paying for the PC´s and the new accounts ? For the DLC´s , chapters , cosmetics ? Would you restart to farm and level xp ? Mount speed, skill lines, scribing ? Collecting Archivements ?

Would you be paying ZOS for the development time including testing and the legal fees involved in negotiations with the platform providers in order to get crossplay? Would those console players wanting it be willing to pay for it or would they just log in as usual, just to a different server, and maybe not even pay a subscription?

Are they the game developer who want their game to be sucessful and alive for another time?
Or are they the customer?

I dont get the bashing against each other lol

Tandor · May 14

amiiegee wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

If console players want to play with PC players then they should play on PC. It's a much better experience on PC anyway. You can still use your console controller on PC.

Would you be paying for the PC´s and the new accounts ? For the DLC´s , chapters , cosmetics ? Would you restart to farm and level xp ? Mount speed, skill lines, scribing ? Collecting Archivements ?

Would you be paying ZOS for the development time including testing and the legal fees involved in negotiations with the platform providers in order to get crossplay? Would those console players wanting it be willing to pay for it or would they just log in as usual, just to a different server, and maybe not even pay a subscription?

Are they the game developer who want their game to be sucessful and alive for another time?
Or are they the customer?

I dont get the bashing against each other lol

There's no bashing. Someone said if players want to play on PC then instead of pursuing crossplay on console they could buy a PC. The reply I quoted asked if that poster would be paying for the PC purchase, and it seemed reasonable to counter that by asking if those players wanting ZOS to invest heavily in crossplay would be paying for it.

Uvi_AUT · May 14

I am just waiting for the Overland Difficultypatch. Then I will be back (with subscription).

amiiegee · May 14

Thats right now, 19:57 PS EU

Im really sure queues on this server exist in pvp. But overall the population here is also low.

Ttree · May 14

No new Chapters is going to kill the game / has killed

sans-culottes · May 14

Tandor wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

fizzybeef wrote: »

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

If console players want to play with PC players then they should play on PC. It's a much better experience on PC anyway. You can still use your console controller on PC.

Would you be paying for the PC´s and the new accounts ? For the DLC´s , chapters , cosmetics ? Would you restart to farm and level xp ? Mount speed, skill lines, scribing ? Collecting Archivements ?

Would you be paying ZOS for the development time including testing and the legal fees involved in negotiations with the platform providers in order to get crossplay? Would those console players wanting it be willing to pay for it or would they just log in as usual, just to a different server, and maybe not even pay a subscription?

Are they the game developer who want their game to be sucessful and alive for another time?
Or are they the customer?

I dont get the bashing against each other lol

There's no bashing. Someone said if players want to play on PC then instead of pursuing crossplay on console they could buy a PC. The reply I quoted asked if that poster would be paying for the PC purchase, and it seemed reasonable to counter that by asking if those players wanting ZOS to invest heavily in crossplay would be paying for it.

What’s striking isn’t just the argument itself. It’s how confidently it answers a different question.

This thread isn’t a shareholder meeting. It’s a player-driven response to shrinking server populations and the systems that might help address them—including crossplay. Turning a good-faith suggestion into a back-of-napkin ROI sketch—then mocking its phrasing as if it were a pitch deck—isn’t clarification. It’s containment.

You’re not wrong that resource allocation matters. But cloaking that in passive-aggressive ridicule toward the original poster doesn’t elevate the conversation. It reduces it to performance: posing as the one person who understands “how things really work,” while sidestepping the actual concern. Namely, that players are leaving—and that no one in leadership seems willing to explain what, if anything, will be done.

If your point is that ZOS won’t act without measurable incentive, then this thread is the incentive. Visibility is the currency. Interest is the signal. Recasting that as a misunderstanding of corporate economics isn’t insight. It’s misdirection.

And no, none of this is simple. But pretending that complexity justifies silence—or that asking for communication is naïve—isn’t analysis. It’s surrender.

SerafinaWaterstar · May 14

@amiiegee

No, I was not ‘trolling’. I was in fact replying to another poster, not you.

And whilst you are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. I may be wrong about the amount of players, but I have noticed more new names in pvp, quite a lot of low level players when playing on alts, and end game trials happening in some guilds that did not have them before.

I know things change; one of my once very active guilds has basically wound down whilst another has increased activity - these things happen, it’s normal.

But whilst I would of course like more new players, or old players to return, I don’t think the game is in as desperate a state as you.

amiiegee · May 14

SerafinaWaterstar wrote: »

@amiiegee

No, I was not ‘trolling’. I was in fact replying to another poster, not you.

And whilst you are entitled to your opinion, I am entitled to mine. I may be wrong about the amount of players, but I have noticed more new names in pvp, quite a lot of low level players when playing on alts, and end game trials happening in some guilds that did not have them before.

I know things change; one of my once very active guilds has basically wound down whilst another has increased activity - these things happen, it’s normal.

But whilst I would of course like more new players, or old players to return, I don’t think the game is in as desperate a state as you.

Its all good, sorry for being harsh. Ofc youre entitled for your opinion, i just try to bring my point across with proves but i get that other people might make different experiences / have different pov‘s on it.

Its good when you dont feel the decrease of the playerbase like i do it.

For me im playing like release and have whitnessed patches coming and going, playing pve/ pvp endgame and housing + overland content and for me i can see the signs of it becoming more and more empty on ps eu.

Im just trying to show that and encourage zos to eventually take action, if their datas fit the portrayed infos.

[/quote]

If your point is that ZOS won’t act without measurable incentive, then this thread is the incentive. Visibility is the currency. Interest is the signal. Recasting that as a misunderstanding of corporate economics isn’t insight. It’s misdirection.

And no, none of this is simple. But pretending that complexity justifies silence—or that asking for communication is naïve—isn’t analysis. It’s surrender.[/quote]

this

fizzybeef · May 15

amiiegee wrote: »

Thats right now, 19:57 PS EU

Im really sure queues on this server exist in pvp. But overall the population here is also low.

Yes at the moment really only AD is poplocked or DC in prime time. abut it does go down really quick. Queue 4 max and after 1 hour 2 bars each.

amiiegee · May 15

PS EU 18:20 pm

PS NA !!12:20 pm !!

with cross server play would be eventually almost be full permanently. Not only pvp. Also the group finders, pledges, trials, more trading activity.

Its a lot of missed out potential & its frustrating and sad.

Tandor · May 15

amiiegee wrote: »

with cross server play would be eventually almost be full permanently. Not only pvp. Also the group finders, pledges, trials, more trading activity.

What about those things so far as those players who chose not to adopt cross server play? Wouldn't they be left behind even lonelier?

If cross server play simply meant some console players being added to the existing PC servers then that would impact on performance issues for all PC players, while if separate cross play servers were introduced then either the PC players would see no point in switching or they'd play on the new cross play servers and leave the existing PC servers with fewer players. There's no guarantee that the new servers would be any more populated than the existing ones.

Whenever this topic comes up it seems either to be aimed at players on PS EU but would impact on everyone else, or it's a totally separate discussion about players being able to transfer platforms without having to start over on new accounts. There never seems to be any uniform view on what players campaigning for it actually want from it, let alone how it would be set up.

MorallyBipolar · May 15

dk_dunkirk wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

I have seen the work and the resulting benefits of crossplay and crosssave being implemented much later in a games lifetime a few times.

Its never fully off the table and the work always benefits no matter how much.

Its just worth it. It is always worth it. Its better done earlier on admittedly, but still worth it.

alway be nay-sayers each time. Always better in the long run.

I was initially very skeptical of this response, but I spent some time asking ChatGPT about all of this, and found that, yes, in fact, many prominent games have implemented crossplay post-launch, and -- butter my biscuits -- it was wildly successful. Here's a graph to summarize a lot of text and back and forth.

I was of the opinion that implementing crossplay could not possibly pay for itself in terms of development and infrastructure costs. Now I feel that's a wide-open question. If it could possibly double player counts... ZOS, do you need a 30-year full stack developer to help you with this?

Is this a post of a graph generated by chatGPT then? If so, I wouldn't believe any of it.

MorallyBipolar · May 16

amiiegee wrote: »

PS EU 18:20 pm

PS NA !!12:20 pm !!

with cross server play would be eventually almost be full permanently. Not only pvp. Also the group finders, pledges, trials, more trading activity.

Its a lot of missed out potential & its frustrating and sad.

If "If's" and "but's" were candy and nuts we'd all have a very merry Christmas. ....as the saying goes.

My view is that crossplay is a mistake. The game has already suffered greatly by catering to console players.

amiiegee · May 16

Tandor wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

with cross server play would be eventually almost be full permanently. Not only pvp. Also the group finders, pledges, trials, more trading activity.

What about those things so far as those players who chose not to adopt cross server play? Wouldn't they be left behind even lonelier?

If cross server play simply meant some console players being added to the existing PC servers then that would impact on performance issues for all PC players, while if separate cross play servers were introduced then either the PC players would see no point in switching or they'd play on the new cross play servers and leave the existing PC servers with fewer players. There's no guarantee that the new servers would be any more populated than the existing ones.

Whenever this topic comes up it seems either to be aimed at players on PS EU but would impact on everyone else, or it's a totally separate discussion about players being able to transfer platforms without having to start over on new accounts. There never seems to be any uniform view on what players campaigning for it actually want from it, let alone how it would be set up.

Often enough was said in this thread that its not specificly aimed at merging PC and consoles but Consoles betwen each other.

So i leave it as that.

Same aims to the quote below

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

PS EU 18:20 pm

PS NA !!12:20 pm !!

with cross server play would be eventually almost be full permanently. Not only pvp. Also the group finders, pledges, trials, more trading activity.

Its a lot of missed out potential & its frustrating and sad.

If "If's" and "but's" were candy and nuts we'd all have a very merry Christmas. ....as the saying goes.

My view is that crossplay is a mistake. The game has already suffered greatly by catering to console players.

Its not specificly needed to merge with PC.

Crossplay can be betwen the consoles so

PS and Xbox

or just

PS NA + PS EU

and same for Xbox NA and Xbox EU.

I think the pc population is probably fine.

On consoles specially the EU servers suffer

fizzybeef · May 16

MorallyBipolar wrote: »

amiiegee wrote: »

PS EU 18:20 pm

PS NA !!12:20 pm !!

with cross server play would be eventually almost be full permanently. Not only pvp. Also the group finders, pledges, trials, more trading activity.

Its a lot of missed out potential & its frustrating and sad.

My view is that crossplay is a mistake. The game has already suffered greatly by catering to console players.

Can you explain your take ?

BahometZ · May 17

Console cross play would be a good idea.
Leave PC to their ivory tower.