Proc sets fill in holes in certain builds/playstyles. For instance, Werewolf can't crossheal others (as no Werewolf ability can heal others), so using the Hiti's Hearth proc set to give the group some healing while transformed is very much welcome.

For me, dropping Werewolf just isn't an option. I'm not here to play the meta, so I'm not interested in playing Classes which already have crosshealing abilities.

Doesn't matter what we want. ZOS has already decided on their path forward and that's what they're gonna do.

There are multiple campaigns so they can have different rule sets and let people decide for themselves which they enjoy best.

The poll had no context, so I am making my own.

I would like to see Rush of Agony removed. It’s in every death recap I have. If I survive by blocking, the little bit of health I have left is removed by an ulti dump or VD proc.

Other problematic proc sets should be reviewed on a case by case basis when brought to their attention like RoA.

Not proc sets per se but proc sets in PvP that are used as a crutch to substitute for good gameplay.

Just the proc sets that allow one player to do massive, explosive, inescapable, unblockable and unreasonable amounts of damage to other players. And you know exactly the proc sets I am referring to.

And something else we could vote on to have removed:

~ Unkillable sorcerers. Unkillable necrotanks. Unkillable tanks of any kind. Massive over-healing for a few classes. Massive over-shielding for a few classes.

While in the meantime making absolutely sure that stealth must be reined in drastically and all the while listening to the complaining about how overpowered Nightblades are -- which is utterly, utterly untrue.

At this point I wonder if people realize they already tried this and the campaign they did it to became a ghost town.

So no, I do not want proc sets removed.

WaywardArgonian wrote: »

At this point I wonder if people realize they already tried this and the campaign they did it to became a ghost town.

So no, I do not want proc sets removed.

Except they re-enabled procs and that did nothing to help its popularity. Correlation =/= causation. PvP as a whole lost a massive amount of players. There may have simply not been enough people participating to justify so many campaigns.

Once they have concluded their testing and performance is fixed. It's certainly worth testing if some form of vengeance would be something players are interested in as a campaign.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

Except they re-enabled procs and that did nothing to help its popularity. Correlation =/= causation. PvP as a whole lost a massive amount of players. There may have simply not been enough people participating to justify so many campaigns.

Ravenwatch was the most popular campaign on EU before it turned no-proc. Many of the campaign's biggest guilds migrated on patch day in August 2021, and the campaign died a slow death in the following 2 years. It had everything to do with no-proc.

When you eradicate an entire campaign's population and culture through a bad gameplay decision you can't simply undo that by reversing said decision years later. Yes, the overall PVP population is smaller now, and poorly thought-out and executed gameplay decisions such as this contributed to that.

Variety is the spice of life. The vengeance campaign gets boring after a while and there are no wild cards that make me say "oh that's a priority enemy." A campaign where victory depends solely on who zergs harder isn't a fun time.

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Erickson9610 wrote: »

Proc sets fill in holes in certain builds/playstyles. For instance, Werewolf can't crossheal others (as no Werewolf ability can heal others), so using the Hiti's Hearth proc set to give the group some healing while transformed is very much welcome.

For me, dropping Werewolf just isn't an option. I'm not here to play the meta, so I'm not interested in playing Classes which already have crosshealing abilities.

were wolf doesant have cross heal and so you shouldnt get one fgrom a proc set either. ty for understanding.

I don't understand.

Before Werewolf could taunt, we used the Tormentor proc set to taunt for us, and ZOS recognized the legitimate desire to taunt in Werewolf form and added a taunt to the toolkit. The same can (and should) be done for crosshealing.

They USED to have a campaign where proc sets were disabled....

Emphasis on "used to." Very few people played it. It was an unpopular campaign. So they got rid of it.

So why are we having this conversation?

Dragonnord wrote: »

The only votes that matter are the people actually interesting in playing such options in the game. The glaring unpopularity of the Ravenswatch campaign and the fact that all other campaigns had to be disabled for them to get people to play Vengeance should tell you how interested people are a special game mode that cuts out a large section of the actual game.

The players have already voted in-game and the result is a glaring no.

SaffronCitrusflower wrote: »

Doesn't matter what we want. ZOS has already decided on their path forward and that's what they're gonna do.

More than that, the player community has decided on the campaign they prefer to play.

I do think ZOS missread the community making the no CP campaign the limited set one as well. Without CP gear is king, so many of the established players who homed there abandoned the campaign after the set limit. And there weren't enough new or returning players who disliked the proc meta to sustain it.

It's a shame, because I really liked the format. These days it seems Cyrodiil is most fun when there's an event going on the brings in fresh players.

valenwood_vegan wrote: »

I'd like to see a more polished and balanced vengeance-type campaign added as an option, so in that sense I'd like to see proc sets removed. But I would not want to see all of these sets removed from the regular cyro campaign; as one becomes more skilled / familiar with pvp and gets into theory-crafting, it would imo start to become boring very quickly with options limited in such a way. Certainly outlier sets that are causing balance problems could be adjusted without removing all proc sets.

Yeah. I agree. I think a much better polished Vengeance campaign alongside the regular Cyrodiil campaigns would be a good idea

If you remove proc sets you might as well just remove gear in general.