People rerolling and leaving game over Nightblade broken/underpowered

Adernath · May 2014

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

Some of us want the option NOT to be that. Some of us want to be dual dagger weilding medium armor assassin stealthy type players who hit really hard, really fast and escape to wash-rinse-repeat, and we want to do it in endgame without dying when there are more than 2 or 3 mobs in a trash pull.

I have two friends who are officially rerolling to other classes after reaching VR5 and VR6 on their nightblades (I am VR2 and I am starting to see their pain now). One is going Sorcerer like everyone else out there, and the other is going DK like the rest out there. And, of course, I bet they choose to be altmer female vampires. Groundbreaking *vomits from all the damn sparkle in this game..*

And...I have one friend who became so disillusioned over the class that he is quitting the game altogether. I have tried talking him out of it and to give it time.................and then I read the upcoming patch notes that doesn't do anything to fix either NIghtblade or Werewolf. Why? Why aren't you guys making these two weakest classes/skill lines a top priority? We aren't getting any meaningful feedback from you guys stating clearly, "We are aware these two skill lines need some serious fixing/buffing/sorting out and are listening to your feedback, please take heart and bear with us." But it's not happening, at least not where I have seen or read.

I don't want to reroll, I don't want to quit the game, I LOVE the game, but the class i was most looking forward to just...doesn't work like it should.

Crouching stealth is too easily discovered by mobs. Buff it and make us move faster in stealth. Fix it.

Invisibility doesn't allow you to use your stealth power attack, since you aren't technically "Crouched." Fix it.

The dagger crit bonus from dual weild isn't showing on my character sheet. Fix it.

Our self heals are abysmal and heal for far less than the tooltip claims. Fix it.

Fix it. Please, fix it. And tell us when and what you are doing to fix it, and please do it sooner than later....Please acknowledge!

Thanks..

A concerned assassin.

You are actually doing alot damage out of stealth.

IMO the dodging needs more love, i.e. granting you immunity to damage when you do it. That would probably suit your playstile and give you the survivability. Lower the stamina costs for your daggers as comparison perhaps.

Mykah · May 2014

1. Our mana costs are too high. Lower them.

2. If a class damage ability is melee range with a melee weapon equiped it should be calculated using stamina and weapon crit, period.

3. We need a passive that grants immunity to snare for 5 seconds after a dodge roll.

Root CC should allow the rooted person to look around and face any direction while rooted.

Talons needs to get capped at 3 targets.

Bolt Escape needs to be a AE left click ability so sorcs cant spam it so fast.

Maura_Bosch · May 2014

I keep playing my NB. I run solo quite a bit, even being in a fairly large guild I usually don't ask for anyone to group because sometimes I get distracted *oooooh shiny* and run around not doing quest related things. Oh I do the quests but I think my wandering style would make a lot of people crazy.

In Skyrim(I know this isn't skyrim online) I played a stealth assassin/thief. Sneaking up and cutting throats, or sniping from the shadows. I chose NB because I thought that's how I'd get to play. I want to steal and pickpocket, and sneak up on people and kill them then vanish.

I think NB is f'd up because if all skill were "fixed" people would complain about being OP. But a backstab, or cut throat style should be a high damage ability. *poof* stab stab stab *poof* Some for bow skills. Unaware mobs flipping coins should get seriously damaged from a stealthed bow shot.

Also zos is trying to appease two types of players pvp and pve, even through they said they were not catering to min/maxers.

Perhaps there could be two skill sets, a pve set and a pvp set. different stats for different encounters. Like once you reach vr levels have an ability (pay gold or something like that)to have a switch, from pve skills to pvp skills. pvp skill tree/points for pvp only, pve skills for pve, no using pvp skills in pve and vise versa.

That way you could play the pve part of eso one way and the pvp part another way. Since in one you're against actual human players, vs a group of mobs/npc's/etc.

I'm STILL playing NB. When I encounted some quest with 2 or 3 "boss level" mobs, I try to fight them and see how I do, and if I get my ass kicked too many times, I just move on elsewhere, and come back when I can handle those mobs. Even if it means doing the quest when it's gray.

SOMETIMES you have the wonderful interactions where not a word is said but other players in the same area team up to kill something hard/finish quest then part ways, never saying a thing. But that doesn't happen often. At least when I play.

Long and rambly. Exactly the way I play eso. But basically I have faith that zos will continue to tweak and improve the game, and things will get smoothed out. It's just over a month since the game came out, and I know it was in beta for a long time, but it's still a new game. people that can, need to remember vanillia WoW-the first few years. there was the same complaints/problems, but WoW has been out so long it is fairly well polished, save for stupid ass Jack Black kung fu pandas.

I don't get the rush to max player level, then complaining about end game content, I've pretty much averaged a level a day, maybe less really, because I check out all the little things there are to discover in ESO. And enjoying crafting, for myself/guild/ and other people. Slow and steady wins the race.

I don't think it's possible to put out a bug free mmo. If you were to beta it until it was, the game would just be a duke nukem forever. i dunno. I'm happy, but things DO need to be changed, and I think things will smooth out with a little bit of patience. This is just my opinion. see it however you will,but I'm having a blast truly playing ESO, not speeding to the end, then throwing my hands up and saying, welp, I'm super max asswhooper 5000, and there's nothing to do and everything sucks and quits ESO. There is a lot more to come, and I think along with the plans for new content, the bugs will get hammered out.

ahspear37 · May 2014

This thread has gone from constructive criticism to a solid 50/50 of trolls/quit QQing and solid advice, which is said.

I run a Bloodmage still, and I love every second of it. With my Resto Staff I am comparable to a Templar with healing, except I can siphon magicka with my staff and leeching strikes, which gives me almost constant ability to spam health regen. I can also run DPS with Funnel Health if the Boss/Mobs health is low. Overall, I'm a pretty awesome utility player/support for group dungeons.

That being said, my problem lies with solo dungeons/PvE content. My passives are pretty screwy and my skills have a tendency to fail, which puts me in an uncomfortable spot as a person who relies heavily on being able to recover the health I lose with my squishy toon.

Also, I understand the plight of NBs who do not want to play the way I do (in my opinion the Bloodmage is one of the best builds for a NB), and it's frustrating for them to have so much glass without enough cannon, as someone perfectly summed up earlier.

Overall, I don't think it's unreasonable to be concerned about the state of imbalance in the game, and to call for FIXES to a class, not nerfs/buffs to other classes/your class. Sorry there has to be so many naysayers for what was a pretty reasonable request.

vandefanel · May 2014

I am a VR10 NB that is pvp oriented. When you first roll into the game you dont realize that every class in the game is magicka scaled. so we make builds and play our characters to certain points and then wonder to ourselves why the damage output is horrendous. Noone seriously came in thinking about playing a sneak assassin damage class was going to have to gear like a caster. I would seriously not have rolled NB at all if I knew thats what was happening. Abilities need to have weapon damage scaling not Magicka.

As it stands im a Stamina built bowblade but I can tell you the damage is nowhere near magicka NB and I have to play 100x harder to receive the same results.

Mahedros · May 2014

NB v10 here and i agree with the idea of this topic, tested evry build that came into my mind and found that a magicka based NB is the way to go for dps (pvp/pve) if u want to play the nb as an assassin, going medium/light its a must to get crit and spell reduction cost since you gona be spamming Surprice Atack a lot and the skill is rly expensive to use.
I also got a v7 sorc that im playing as a full caster, that is by far a lot easier than playing a NB, A LOT, i can do a lot more dmg than my NB using the same build idea (magicka based with hig crit and spell power) and its a lot safer (range).
Just to compare:
-Surprise Attack on a marked (Mark Target) target (pvp) crits for about 400-600, i have to be on melee range and it has no cc on it unless im stealth/hidden.
-Crystal Shard crits from 600 to 870 on non marked taget (pvp), its ranged, has a hard CC and can be spammed as much as Suprise Attack.

Im not saying that sorc needs a nerf cause they do more dmg than a NB,im just using sorc because i have a v7 one and using the same idea of a build (magicka, spell dmg).
NB is not only inferior(less dmg, no cc, melee) but we have to use a lot more resources to do less dmg.

bg22 · May 2014

Censorious wrote: »

But...but...nightblade is a ROGUE isn't it!!?

Why can't I pwn everything like I should!!

It's not fair!!!!! nerf sorcerers!!!! WAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

For the record, I ROFLstomp sorcerers as a Nightblade.

rlconeb14_ESO · May 2014

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

Dear Zenimax:

The Nightblade needs huge amounts of love.

Not everyone wants to be a vampire bow kajhiit nightblade in heavy armor.

Some of us want the option NOT to be that. Some of us want to be dual dagger weilding medium armor assassin stealthy type players who hit really hard, really fast and escape to wash-rinse-repeat, and we want to do it in endgame without dying when there are more than 2 or 3 mobs in a trash pull.

I have two friends who are officially rerolling to other classes after reaching VR5 and VR6 on their nightblades (I am VR2 and I am starting to see their pain now). One is going Sorcerer like everyone else out there, and the other is going DK like the rest out there. And, of course, I bet they choose to be altmer female vampires. Groundbreaking *vomits from all the damn sparkle in this game..*

And...I have one friend who became so disillusioned over the class that he is quitting the game altogether. I have tried talking him out of it and to give it time.................and then I read the upcoming patch notes that doesn't do anything to fix either NIghtblade or Werewolf. Why? Why aren't you guys making these two weakest classes/skill lines a top priority? We aren't getting any meaningful feedback from you guys stating clearly, "We are aware these two skill lines need some serious fixing/buffing/sorting out and are listening to your feedback, please take heart and bear with us." But it's not happening, at least not where I have seen or read.

I don't want to reroll, I don't want to quit the game, I LOVE the game, but the class i was most looking forward to just...doesn't work like it should.

Crouching stealth is too easily discovered by mobs. Buff it and make us move faster in stealth. Fix it.

Invisibility doesn't allow you to use your stealth power attack, since you aren't technically "Crouched." Fix it.

The dagger crit bonus from dual weild isn't showing on my character sheet. Fix it.

Our self heals are abysmal and heal for far less than the tooltip claims. Fix it.

Fix it. Please, fix it. And tell us when and what you are doing to fix it, and please do it sooner than later....Please acknowledge!

Thanks..

A concerned assassin.

While I agree with one thing you say plz fix the nb's abils that are still broken the rest of your post made me double over laughing. People are leaving the game because nb is underpowered.

Hold on I have to stop typing laughing to hard.

If they are that bad of players please leave by all means would rather see them all gone then an mmo I like dumbed down. Nb is probably hands down the most powerful single target character in game (also one of the best at soloing if not the best) and our stealth makes us nearly invincible. Need to up our stealth plz, plz, plz do not do anything to fix stealth other than changing mobs to agro on others after I pull agro and invis away.

Any decent nb can stealth past just about anything if they have a clue what their doing. One of my nb's uses no medium Is an imperial so no stealth bonuses and I'm not seen unless I do something I shouldn't be. khajit using bow? While some may find this style fun I think ill stick to either dual wielding/ sword and board dps or resto staff/sword and board healer on my nb's.

I solo, solo, solo on my nb's and almost hate being in groups anymore due to incompetence, this included anchors while leveling and dungeons even in vet content. You have the ability to guarantee a crit at will, an almost endless supply of magicka and stamina, and one of the best heals in the game.

I don't want to go on for hours here so I'm going to throw out a few basics a nb can be played in many styles, however some of the most effective I see are single target beasts. Bosses not immune to cc should never touch you and bosses that are should rarely hit you if at all. You have an ability that no other class has and that's the ability to avoid 99% of the boss moves in the game all with one ability.

While you may not have the cc and aoes of the dk you far surpass them in single target damage and survivability. Large group no problem, personally I always prep a target in a large group to guarantee my survival. By this I mean take a target to low health and leave it. When almost dead mark, killer's blade and what full health again. Also nb's have a boost to potions for a reason use crafted potions and use them often. While there maybe a few things we have trouble with like large groups with lots of ranged we have the tools to deal with them and the dps to kill almost anything in seconds.

rlconeb14_ESO · May 2014

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

Jarnhand wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

I just want to clarify: I did not leave the Nightblade class because it felt buggy, or difficult or any of these things, although I have had insane amounts of trouble killing certain mobs in certain places on that character than on my others...

No, it wasn't that it felt buggy or that it was too difficult. It is that the class basically feels like a one trick pony. It has very little variety or variation. There's like 3 builds...the dual wield assassin build I had going on....the ranged version of that and the "Bloodmage" that a few people have invented different variations of.

That's about it. healer, ranged DPS or melee DPS (basically the same just depends on how far from your enemies you are, really). It just feel limited in this respect.

Sure you could probably be a tank, or a ranged caster magicka based DPS or something...but do you ever hear about anyone talking about these? Not really...probably because they're subpar options and might as well be a Sorcerer or a Dragon Knight to do those things with a much easier time.

That is a lot more then in most / all other similar MMOs, in ESO you have MANY more spec options then other games. So I am not sure what you are not happy about when it comes to this point.

Something that needs fixing is the bugs, but that is clearly another issue.

PS! Do not fall in the trap where you think a NB should be able to pop out of stealth, kill more or less anyone and vanish again. That is not gonna happen, that is called broken game mechanics, and if it does, a nerf will follow shortly.

As opposed to a Sorcerer who can just waltz into a group of 6 enemies and lay down AE's and destroy them all in less than 4 seconds and not have to vanish and takes no damage, and if they do they blink away and can heal it anyway.

Yeah....how dare NB's want that kind of power every other class has.

Please show me a sorcerer vet dungeon solo vid and I'll do the same dungeon for you. You argument of wanting to be a sorcerer vs. an assassin is pretty much all I see if you want to be a sorcerer then make one if you want to be a stealthy assassin then learn how they play until then stop whining.

Cogo · May 2014

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

I am sorry my friend but that may be true in WoW. In ESO a 1-1 fight with equal gear and stuff but 2 different classes is still up to the player.
BUT, I give you that some CLASS ONLY abiltiies like nightblade invis and then do a major attack on you is very powerful, maybe so power full that only a DK and templar with high tanking skills can take it.

Also, you have to understand one tiny detail. ESO is not a open world PVP game. Thanks for that!!!

There is PvP in a fairly new way.....Battles, sieges. Where tactics, cooperation and experience in your abilities and how to interact with your army will win the day. Not a DK class if you think they are overpowered.....

Which part of my statement made you think I was refering to PvP? I didnt say 'which one will win' or 'which one will kill the other'. I said 'which one will perform better'. Which one will be more usefull to take into the group when not only do you want to clear a certain piece of content but you need to do it faster than other groups in order to get the really cool rewards.

I never failes to amaze me when people quit because their class got "nerfed"
Lets say for a moment that DK do get nerfed and become by far the worst classs. No way I would quit! I would try to improve. Use other abilities etc.

You say that now but everyone's patience has limits.

Haha! Maybe since you dont know me. Do you know wow?
was playing last year and as a goblin warrior. The worst race to be a warrior....guess what, we killed Garrosh 10 man anyway with me tanking....

And if you didnt know, how good a person is in the game is very much up to the person, not the class or the skills.

But sure, I dont do any damage at all pretty much as a tank (I focused on TANK skills..not attack. So even the damn healer outdamages me, lol. But we rarely wipe and win the battle.

If someone would do more damage then you....is that so bad? You CAN try new things, gets advice etc if you want to improve.

wretch200 · May 2014

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

*vomits from all the damn sparkle in this game..*

You realize this game series has had Vampires and Werewolves in it since before you were born, right?
So your idea of them getting "Sparkly vampires" from a book series is really skewed and narrow minded. js.

ahspear37 · May 2014

rlconeb14_ESO wrote: »

Please show me a sorcerer vet dungeon solo vid and I'll do the same dungeon for you. You argument of wanting to be a sorcerer vs. an assassin is pretty much all I see if you want to be a sorcerer then make one if you want to be a stealthy assassin then learn how they play until then stop whining.

This is what I'm talking about. Thank you for adding nothing to the discussion, except to further prove the initial point of the topic.

I'm going to quote a comment that was posted slightly before yours, because it accurately adds to the conversation and provides data that backs up its claim:

Mahedros wrote: »

NB v10 here and i agree with the idea of this topic, tested evry build that came into my mind and found that a magicka based NB is the way to go for dps (pvp/pve) if u want to play the nb as an assassin, going medium/light its a must to get crit and spell reduction cost since you gona be spamming Surprice Atack a lot and the skill is rly expensive to use.
I also got a v7 sorc that im playing as a full caster, that is by far a lot easier than playing a NB, A LOT, i can do a lot more dmg than my NB using the same build idea (magicka based with hig crit and spell power) and its a lot safer (range).
Just to compare:
-Surprise Attack on a marked (Mark Target) target (pvp) crits for about 400-600, i have to be on melee range and it has no cc on it unless im stealth/hidden.
-Crystal Shard crits from 600 to 870 on non marked taget (pvp), its ranged, has a hard CC and can be spammed as much as Suprise Attack.

Im not saying that sorc needs a nerf cause they do more dmg than a NB,im just using sorc because i have a v7 one and using the same idea of a build (magicka, spell dmg).
NB is not only inferior(less dmg, no cc, melee) but we have to use a lot more resources to do less dmg.

So the problem here rlconeb14_ESO is two-fold:

1. It's fantastic that you have found a playing style that works for you. However, the idea is that other classes offer more viable builds that can carry them through vet content, while NB offers 1-2 comparable classes, that still require more skill to play than others which - while I'm sure you can take pride in mastering a difficult class - is still the exact opposite of the definition of balance. Therefore, as originally stated, some balancing/fixing of the NB class would lead to more enjoyable play and open up room for more diverse builds. To think otherwise is to go against the concept the Devs claim to be following (freedom of choice and complex, diverse builds performing well).

2. You claim that NB has the highest DPS per single target. This may be true, but, as stated above in the quote, it's a moot point when a class (such as a sorc) can AoE an entire group with more damage per target than a NB can do to a single target. That, again, is the literal opposite of the definition of balance. Not to mention that NBs are working with broken passives and buggy skills.

In the end, I don't see why there's so much hostility towards people who are asking for nothing more than a better, balanced gaming experience. You think we need to "learn to play?" That's fine. I think there's a difference between learning to play a difficult game, and suffering through difficulties and frustration because your character is under-powered and not comparable to other classes.

You said post a video of a sorc running a vet dungeon and you'll run the same one? Why don't you just post a video of a vet dungeon run? Most of us on this thread already know how Sorcs run vet dungeons, it's not at all the topic of discussion. The point is that there aren't many successful NBs that can run vet dungeons without having to pigeon-hole themselves into a specific build, and even then, they have a much harder time getting through that dungeon than any other class.

If you have a difference of opinion, that's fine. But by being rude you not only accomplish nothing, you also lose credibility in the conversation. I disagree with you, but I don't have to insult you to do so.

DeLindsay · May 2014

I am of the Wood Elf - Bow - Vamp - 5pc Med/2pc Light -NB type and yes there are a ton of things with NB that are broken but it's not remotely game breaking or anything that would cause me to rage quit the game. As for underpowered, there's a video of a guy doing melee NB that crits for over 6K (not even VR) and 1-shots even named mobs. Once the server is back up I'll tt my fellow NB guildee to get the link. Ranged NB is VERY high burst damage and quite decent sustained DPS with good survivability IF the mob(s) are kitable.

Does NB need some love, yes, but no more so than the other classes and Vamp and WW which all have broken abilities, broken morphs, broken passives, etc. Go read the 1.1 patch notes and you'll see that a TON of fixes are coming.

DeLindsay · May 2014

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

As opposed to a Sorcerer who can just waltz into a group of 6 enemies and lay down AE's and destroy them all in less than 4 seconds and not have to vanish and takes no damage, and if they do they blink away and can heal it anyway.

Yeah....how dare NB's want that kind of power every other class has.

You can do the same exact thing as NB, just not the kill everything in ~4sec. There is a perfectly viable "Warlock" type NB build that has TON of self healing with awesome AOE dmg. Go watch the video I linked and you will see NB can indeed be "just like every other class in ESO".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFnKo1eMMHE

It should be pointed out that he is solo'ing a VR GROUP Public Delve and near the end pulls TWO packs (a dozen mobs) and actually lives. I've NEVER seen any other class do that in any Group Public Delve up through my current VR3.

Absinthe · May 2014

NB resto staff...all I will say.

But it is OP as hell.

Think outside of the box!

Skarzog · May 2014

DeLindsay wrote: »

You can do the same exact thing as NB, just not the kill everything in ~4sec. There is a perfectly viable "Warlock" type NB build that has TON of self healing with awesome AOE dmg. Go watch the video I linked and you will see NB can indeed be "just like every other class in ESO".

It should be pointed out that he is solo'ing a VR GROUP Public Delve and near the end pulls TWO packs (a dozen mobs) and actually lives. I've NEVER seen any other class do that in any Group Public Delve up through my current VR3.

Any class can do what Force does in that video. Dragon Knights can go through pull multiple packs like its a walk in the park, but comparing anything to Dragon Knight at the moment isn't really fair.

I've said this earlier in the thread, but I don't think NB's have as big an issue as most people would think. Primarily they need to fix all the damn bugs, that would go a long way towards improving the situation. I honestly don't know whats taking so long, many of these issues have been around for months into early beta.

I think the issue is more a light armor vs medium armor and magicka vs stamina issue. Now most NB's want to run that medium armor + stamina rogue build, so the issue is sort of naturally piggybacked onto the class.

I think light armor is simply superior to medium armor at the moment. The last three talents in the medium armor tree are either situational or garbage. Improved stealth is nice, but only helps on the opener. Haste is complete garbage at the moment, if you know how to properly manipulate animations. And reduced dodge roll cost does not really help against unavoidable light/ranged/spell attacks. Light armor offers superior damage buffs, superior damage mitigation, and superior resource management.

The second issue is magicka is simply superior to stamina. Mostly because one can put all their cards into magicka, then focus on health; whereas the reverse is not true for stamina. Stamina users have to balance their stamina and magicka because of class skills, which comes as a detriment to health typically. On the other hand not only is magicka only a viable play-style, it synergizes better with the light armor tree and class abilities.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2014

I typically roll DPS Oriented Classes but after looking at the Nightblade I chose to do something Im not a fan of...Tanking.

Aziz006 · May 2014

DPS and Nightblade? Gonna try healing or tanking instead

Tamanous · May 2014

It is very odd that the best builds for NB is tank and healer. I play a resto staff NB and it is fun as hell in groups. Solo'ing is easy with aoe grinding and using ultimates. I have issues with extremely tough mobs that can't be kited well though but it really should be that way as I wear a mix of light and medium armor only. I sure hope things are tweaked by the devs soon where needed (along with Argonian passives).

It is absolutely painful how little the dev team communicates with us.

Aeradon · May 2014

I'm using the exact same thing OP mentioned. Bow/DW Vamp Khajiit NB Heavy Armor.

Yet I feel underpowered everyday, only to reroll Sorc/DK/Temp to try them out. Turns out it was so much more fun!

As NB, I respec-ed 3 times now. Survivability is really a problem. Shadow caps armour and strife gives some hp. But without at least 2 skills from strife/leeching strikes/vamp drain/funnel, survivability is a huge huge pain in the arse.

My perspective on the builds I tried,
DW AOE : Lotus Fan/Fire Rune + Steel Tornado + Soul Shred/Bat Swarm. Lacks the initial AOE burst. The burst only kicks in when the mobs are 30% health. Weak beyond believe at moments, no CC unless Fire Rune. A trouble to be fully effective, crouch>enter>drop aoe>drain>block and drop aoe>drain/siphoning strikes + aoe

Bow : Magnum shot, swallow souls, siphoning strikes, invis. Might only need this. Still take tonnes of damage when they get near.

Tank : This is the most viable build on NB. The class is so underpowered that it feels better as a tank rather than a DPS.

Lazrael · May 2014

Absinthe wrote: »

NB resto staff...all I will say.

But it is OP as hell.

Think outside of the box!

Oh its a great combo no doubt, and makes the nightblade far more sustainable, but It's also one of the few avenues in which the NB is sustainable. Some of us do want to play a dual dagger sneak thief, but the way the game/class is balanced doesn't make this a very solid option.

Also bugs for days.

killedbyping · May 2014

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

Ravinsild wrote: »

Gotta admit, I too got bored with my Nightblade and rerolled a Holy Warrior/Crusader type character.

Unfortunately in my experience the Templar class is gimped too so I rerolled Dragon Knight...

See? This ^

Nightblade was powerful in Beta. now? not so much. I'm really not sure why they nerfed sneak attack and the overall damage of the class like they did.

Nerfed sneak attack ? My sneak attack deal 2685 damage atm. How big was at in beta ? oO

Elidas · May 2014

I spent a lot of time trying to make a stamina based NB with weapon skills just to find that my main buff "Haste" is bugged and my bow damage skills is crap compared with my magicka class skills.
NB do not have good AoE skills and it is ok for me, I wanted to be the stealthy assasin that kills 1 target at a time, not the typical wizard that AoE nuke everything without even targeting at all, but the only thing I am good at right now is doing PvE against single monsters or small groups of monsters. whenever I try something at PvP I suck because it is all full of massive zergs that AoE point blank everything on their path.

Teevesnacks · May 2014

I have 10 friends that play NB and are loving it, I recently did a survey and most people love eso

ahspear37 · May 2014

Teevesnacks wrote: »

I have 10 friends that play NB and are loving it, I recently did a survey and most people love eso

I love ESO too, don't get me wrong. I also love playing as my NB. It's actually my favorite class out of all of them. I just posted on this thread, and continue to defend it, because I do agree that NBs have the least amount of diverse builds that are viable in later content, and that they need a lot of fixing. Again, I'm not saying to buff anything, I am not whining that my class isn't OP, I'm claiming that, after having played all of the classes and rolled many builds with them, the NB is the buggiest one - I have a lot more "cast failures" with this class than others, and the game is essentially stacked against a stamina-built rogue, which seems against the idea that every character should be able to "play how they want." I love NBs, I just wanna see them get fixed, and I'd love to see a little re-balancing in favor of more build options.

frwinters_ESO · May 2014

Aeradon wrote: »

I'm using the exact same thing OP mentioned. Bow/DW Vamp Khajiit NB Heavy Armor.

Yet I feel underpowered everyday, only to reroll Sorc/DK/Temp to try them out. Turns out it was so much more fun!

As NB, I respec-ed 3 times now. Survivability is really a problem. Shadow caps armour and strife gives some hp. But without at least 2 skills from strife/leeching strikes/vamp drain/funnel, survivability is a huge huge pain in the arse.

My perspective on the builds I tried,
DW AOE : Lotus Fan/Fire Rune + Steel Tornado + Soul Shred/Bat Swarm. Lacks the initial AOE burst. The burst only kicks in when the mobs are 30% health. Weak beyond believe at moments, no CC unless Fire Rune. A trouble to be fully effective, crouch>enter>drop aoe>drain>block and drop aoe>drain/siphoning strikes + aoe

Bow : Magnum shot, swallow souls, siphoning strikes, invis. Might only need this. Still take tonnes of damage when they get near.

Tank : This is the most viable build on NB. The class is so underpowered that it feels better as a tank rather than a DPS.

No WAY are NB under powered. If you use stealth right I can usually kill an enemy in three to 4 attacks.

I primarily do Melee. Right now im lvl 47 im coldharbor and this is what I do.

Khajit - Stealthy rank 3 i get 10% dmg attacking from Stealth.

Go into stealth, use Ambush, Surprise Attack, Heavy hit, Rapid Strikes - Dead

Depending on if i crit sometimes they are dead after Surprise attack. If im closer to my enemy i wont even use ambush and go right for Surprise Attack. Ive one shotted enemies from stealth this way many times. I say this happens 50-75% of the time with my crits and bonus dmg from stealth.

I take on mobs of three easy. Usually using above method by the time im done with that rotation first guy is down, other mobs are just approaching me. Shadowy Disguise, rinse and repeat. I get a few hits but never go below 80% most of the time. there are always hiccups, unexpected snares or immobilization's at times, but the majority of the time, I am wrecking the enemy.

Im sure people are gonna say when i get to the VR ranks it wont be as easy. Probably not, but I know I will learn to adapt.

Plus with all the threads stating a lot of NB powers are broken and im doing the damage im doing? I cant wait for them to be fixed, then I am sure we will see tons of threads on how over powered the NB is. Im sticking it out and you all should too!

Jaxom · May 2014

frwinters_ESO wrote: »

No WAY are NB under powered. If you use stealth right I can usually kill an enemy in three to 4 attacks.

I primarily do Melee. Right now im lvl 47 im coldharbor and this is what I do.

Sadly, anything below VR is pretty easy. I had a melee build prior to hitting veteran rank but you WILL hit a brick wall with that build even at VR1. You just cannot compare anything before VR and say it's apples to apples. It just isn't. I'm VR3 almost 4 and I've respecced 3 times now trying to find something that works. Unfortunately it looks like going Resto staff with Siphon is what is working at this point. You will understand soon enough just how difficult it can be as a NB.

Grim13 · May 2014

^ Exactly. I breezed through the first 50 as a NB. Easy peezy. However, when it come to the Vet areas... taking on 3 mobs is a matter of not making any mistakes. 4+ vet mobs... lol, goodluck. Wait for a Sorc or DK to come along and help... erm, cut through them like they were partially pre-melted butter.

patrykplawskib16_ESO · May 2014

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Is this a joke u come to comment about that and not bring new's for Nightblade man you guys are pathetic and clearly don't care much for this class and the fact i wasted weeks gettign ym NB to vr 10 all that waste fo fuqing time.

Tannakaobi · May 2014

krez23 wrote: »

Wait, so people are already quitting because a mmo that's about a month old, is challenging? Am I reading this correctly?

Yes, and NB's are in fact op!