People rerolling and leaving game over Nightblade broken/underpowered

Grim13

Sleepwalker wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

^ it may be too little too late. The bad taste may be too strong for any fixes to wash away... lol

It's been a month and a week. Whoever it may be "too late for" is way too fickle to be playing an MMO at its launch. Just sayin'.

LOL I love how modern gamers are so quick to justify, rationalise, and defend bad business practises as some form of deficiency in those willing to complain against it.

You'd make Orwell proud.

Pewpie

ArgonianAssassin wrote: »

If you want to see how a real assassin does it go play a max level rogue in wow, sap one target, ambush his friend, burn it down real quick pop vanish and rinse and repeat, what they lack in aoe's and survivability they make up for in CC and Hit and Run tactics. Who hasn't fought a rogue who you get the upper hand on then they pop shadow cloak + vanish and reopen on you, and that kidney shot, but once those cc's come down and you're still kickin, that rogue is gonna get messed up because he's a glass cannon. And that's what I expect from an assassin, glass cannons.

I kind of like my style for feeling assassin.

Stealth in crouch, concealed blade takes out one guy almost instant, pop fear, see the others running like mad, dark cloak, concealed blade, and throw in a fear when the gang is back. Basically abusing dark cloak + concealed blade + fear (for some cc). Ohh yeah, and you will need tons of magicka and probably siphoning strikes toggled.

R0M2K

My 2 cents:

- Medium armor should give a 1/2/3 % Dodge per piece of armor as a pasive.

- Movent speed while shealthed should be a shadow or assasin pasive so you are not required to be Vampire or Morph to concealed weapon.

nephitis

Well i see the same thing with templer i have 20 friends in my friendship to release there was about 10 dk player and 10 templer didn t see something else löl ^^.

and now there are 18 dk 2 sorcerer

danyels64eb17_ESO

Cmon guys , it can't be that bad ..
Some classes can solo Vet 10 with no exploits : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwyVaS_pd-s#t=10
NB can also, through some exploits that people call out ( not for a long time - the cloak and hit will be fixed soon ) .
Don't u even dream of ever becoming more than a filler in most parties . Actually in most dung runs having 2 nb makes it so painfully slow , its not even funny . All this for some random loots we search for(sets), that are f*in bound and untradeable even in the same party/dung .
This game is still in beta folks .. the true game will come out a bit more polished when The Console version is out - we're the testers for it.

BSGDevastator

Another thing I'd like to mention is the Shieldblock, which hurts the assassins alot. I have this problem addressed in this post:

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/97875/shield-blocking-all-directions#latest

TL;DR: Anything can block 360° which is absurd and kills the gameplay of a NB.

However, I've been going through the whole game up until now, without major problems.

nephitis

as dk everything is possible haha this class is just op danyels

BSGDevastator

I am a VR1 NB who has few to absolutely none problems. I can solo Worldbosses even with useless gear and I can kill everyone except Shield users.

Here is my build for interested people:
http://www.elderscrollsbote.de/builds/vampire-nb-brawler-assassin/

The hidden blade is more or less just a decoration. I mean, assassins without throwing knives? Unthinkable for me.

martymart76_ESO

BSGDevastator wrote: »

I am a VR1 NB who has few to absolutely none problems. I can solo Worldbosses even with useless gear and I can kill everyone except Shield users.

Here is my build for interested people:
http://www.elderscrollsbote.de/builds/vampire-nb-brawler-assassin/

The hidden blade is more or less just a decoration. I mean, assassins without throwing knives? Unthinkable for me.

A heavy/light vampire NB again.

Nobody is arguing the viability of your build. It's the standard assassin-esque rogue-esque build for which the class is known for and presented as that is having serious issues.

You are VR1. When you get up to VR3 I want to see you soloing world bosses at VR3 like DK's and Sorcerers can.

And .....try NOT being a broken vampire

BSGDevastator

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

BSGDevastator wrote: »

I am a VR1 NB who has few to absolutely none problems. I can solo Worldbosses even with useless gear and I can kill everyone except Shield users.

Here is my build for interested people:
http://www.elderscrollsbote.de/builds/vampire-nb-brawler-assassin/

The hidden blade is more or less just a decoration. I mean, assassins without throwing knives? Unthinkable for me.

A heavy/light vampire NB again.

Nobody is arguing the viability of your build. It's the standard assassin-esque rogue-esque build for which the class is known for and presented as that is having serious issues.

You are VR1. When you get up to VR3 I want to see you soloing world bosses at VR3 like DK's and Sorcerers can.

And .....try NOT being a broken vampire

I use 5 Medium Pieces and 2 Heavy pieces. The heavy pieces are just there for fabulousness. I would use full medium if chestplates and helmets weren't so ugly in medium.

Broken Vampire? I only use the speed for stealth. I don't use any active spell from the Vampire Skilltree. I could completely go without vampirism if I wouldn't be that impatient. Without the Dark Stalker passive I'm sooooo slow and I am a very impatient person. Sure, in PVP the stealth speed has a great benefit, but then again, you could switch out my Hidden Blade for Teleport Strike.

Sure, I'll update you when I'm at VR3 and soloing world bosses.

Edit: Vampire Part more description added

tekhiunb16_ESO

danyels64eb17_ESO wrote: »

This game is still in beta folks .. the true game will come out a bit more polished when The Console version is out - we're the testers for it.

MMOs are always in beta afaik.

Also I don't think that NB re underpowered at all. I think you just need to adjust your gameplay. You can make a skill set that is focused on single target dps and just expect it to perform well in zergs. Or have a spec that is focused only on dps and expect i to have survivalbility. You have to mix and match according to the situation you are going to face, that's what set this game apart from other mmos tbh.

Therium104

tekhiunb16_ESO wrote: »

danyels64eb17_ESO wrote: »

This game is still in beta folks .. the true game will come out a bit more polished when The Console version is out - we're the testers for it.

MMOs are always in beta afaik.

Also I don't think that NB re underpowered at all. I think you just need to adjust your gameplay. You can make a skill set that is focused on single target dps and just expect it to perform well in zergs. Or have a spec that is focused only on dps and expect i to have survivalbility. You have to mix and match according to the situation you are going to face, that's what set this game apart from other mmos tbh.

Good post. I find rogue stealth type classes attract the lowest form of gamer. They expect, actually demand, the ability to one shot and kill another player out of stealth with no skill. If the game is not adjusted to match this ridiculous notion they whine. Hence you see these forum threads. Then they whine when another class can do anything better. I can't aoe in my single target spec!!!! Nerf everything or buff me!!!!!

The only evidence that would support the games demise is the devs listening to the bottom feeders (nb whiners) and making adjustments to the game based on bads. This has literally killed previous games in under 6 months.

It is actually interesting to watch. You have the same class of low skill garbage player complaining and then the devs reacting to it. It is like the devs and industry have learned nothing over the last 10 years.

danyels64eb17_ESO

Therium104 wrote: »

Good post. I find rogue stealth type classes attract the lowest form of gamer. They expect, actually demand, the ability to one shot and kill another player out of stealth with no skill. If the game is not adjusted to match this ridiculous notion they whine.

I find that people as acid and toxic as you, are better left behind or muted . Hiding behind comments like "scrubs here, scrubs there" and the typical l2p attitude .. disgusting ..

Not everyone might be as pro as you and surely people are reporting what they consider it is wrong . But when the majority of people are "whining" as you like to call it .. even people that made lots of vodcasts/broadcasts since early beta , there must be something wrong .

You have to get it into your head that this is not Wow ..you are probably stuck with the 10 year old kids , rogue whiners from that mmo .The audience is not the same and facts are thrown in our way even by the very people that supported the game all along .If u wanna play the ignorant role , go ahead , just dont act like a pro calling out scrubs when u provide nothing but qq yourself .

Sleepwalker

Grim13 wrote: »

LOL I love how modern gamers are so quick to justify, rationalise, and defend bad business practises as some form of deficiency in those willing to complain against it.

You'd make Orwell proud.

No, you don't love it. You just see it as an opportunity to turn the notion of people understanding the process of software development into a snarky quip.

You'd make George Carlin proud.

martymart76_ESO

BSGDevastator wrote: »

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

BSGDevastator wrote: »

I am a VR1 NB who has few to absolutely none problems. I can solo Worldbosses even with useless gear and I can kill everyone except Shield users.

Here is my build for interested people:
http://www.elderscrollsbote.de/builds/vampire-nb-brawler-assassin/

The hidden blade is more or less just a decoration. I mean, assassins without throwing knives? Unthinkable for me.

A heavy/light vampire NB again.

Nobody is arguing the viability of your build. It's the standard assassin-esque rogue-esque build for which the class is known for and presented as that is having serious issues.

You are VR1. When you get up to VR3 I want to see you soloing world bosses at VR3 like DK's and Sorcerers can.

And .....try NOT being a broken vampire

I use 5 Medium Pieces and 2 Heavy pieces. The heavy pieces are just there for fabulousness. I would use full medium if chestplates and helmets weren't so ugly in medium.

Broken Vampire? I only use the speed for stealth. I don't use any active spell from the Vampire Skilltree. I could completely go without vampirism if I wouldn't be that impatient. Without the Dark Stalker passive I'm sooooo slow and I am a very impatient person. Sure, in PVP the stealth speed has a great benefit, but then again, you could switch out my Hidden Blade for Teleport Strike.

Sure, I'll update you when I'm at VR3 and soloing world bosses.

Edit: Vampire Part more description added

Cure vampirism. Use all medium armor, try to solo world bosses without using a resto staff as well.

Come back to me when you die.

You have missed the point of this entire thread. A game that tells you you can play how you want while punishing you for not being a vampire using an armor mixture isn't exactly truth in advertising.

martymart76_ESO

Sleepwalker wrote: »

Grim13 wrote: »

LOL I love how modern gamers are so quick to justify, rationalise, and defend bad business practises as some form of deficiency in those willing to complain against it.

You'd make Orwell proud.

No, you don't love it. You just see it as an opportunity to turn the notion of people understanding the process of software development into a snarky quip.

You'd make George Carlin proud.

Could you please come and comment here constructively after you have stopped playing the typical cookie cutter NB Bloodmage?

Also please try being medium armor assassin type like the class has been heavily advertised as being in VR2+ content.

Sleepwalker

Hmm, public forum... check.

Not my issue if your thread got derailed. But... "constructive" sure. Let's try that.

You judged my experience off of my signature. My normal rotation in Vet content consists of three attacks that are available to all NB's: Ambush as an opener from stealth, Strife (either morph will still work), and Killer's Blade. Roughly 2.1K (2.3K if strife crits) total. The one-mob group is done, the two-mob group is down to one, the three-mob group is down to two and easily dealt with regardless of build really, and you've got siphoning strikes where I've just got the heal proc from the staff's heavy attack. Try that. It's made things easy for me so far.

martymart76_ESO

Sleepwalker wrote: »

Hmm, public forum... check.

Not my issue if your thread got derailed. But... "constructive" sure. Let's try that.

You judged my experience off of my signature. My normal rotation consists of three attacks that are available to all NB's: Ambush as an opener from stealth, Strife (either morph will still work), and Killer's Blade. The one-mob group is done, the two-mob group is down to one, the three-mob group is down to two and easily dealt with any build really. Try that and let me know if you see any change.

I'm a VR5 Nightblade, all medium, no heavy armor, and definitely not going to be a vampire. Everything I do, no matter what spec, other classes can do it better. That's the point of this thread I created. Everyone here knows about Bloodmage vampire builds.

Again, I think you'll really see what we are all talking about here when you get higher in VR level.

Sleepwalker

Not taking any suggestions from someone less than V5, eh? Alright. Fair enough. Those troubles won't affect me because of how I've built my NB (which isn't actually cookie cutter at all), but if you say it is for your build at your level, I can't argue as I haven't tried it.

The point that I was making before you snapped at me for not being constructive is that quitting over a class imbalance when the game is still quite young is just silly.

Therium104

danyels64eb17_ESO wrote: »

Therium104 wrote: »

Good post. I find rogue stealth type classes attract the lowest form of gamer. They expect, actually demand, the ability to one shot and kill another player out of stealth with no skill. If the game is not adjusted to match this ridiculous notion they whine.

I find that people as acid and toxic as you, are better left behind or muted . Hiding behind comments like "scrubs here, scrubs there" and the typical l2p attitude .. disgusting ..

Not everyone might be as pro as you and surely people are reporting what they consider it is wrong . But when the majority of people are "whining" as you like to call it .. even people that made lots of vodcasts/broadcasts since early beta , there must be something wrong .

You have to get it into your head that this is not Wow ..you are probably stuck with the 10 year old kids , rogue whiners from that mmo .The audience is not the same and facts are thrown in our way even by the very people that supported the game all along .If u wanna play the ignorant role , go ahead , just dont act like a pro calling out scrubs when u provide nothing but qq yourself .

I am not complaining for nerfs to the class I do not play and/or whining for buffs to my class.

You are toxic to these games.

Aziz006

Never noticed NB is underpowered until I see DK or sorc gameplay. After that everything just went wrong

Therium104

Aziz006 wrote: »

Never noticed NB is underpowered until I see DK or sorc gameplay. After that everything just went wrong

Lol. Case in point. How old are you?

Jzthomas

I'll start by saying that you CAN play a medium armor NB and do well (in multiple ways) in both PvE (solo and group content) and PvP (ganking and larger siege battles). OP, you want to play an assassin/rogue (high-damage stealth opener, quick burst DPS to drop single targets, then an escape). This can be done, without being a vampire, using heavy armor or using light armor. I will say, however, that given the way overcharging works at higher levels, it's usually most convenient to use a combo of armors (5/2) for any class. I don't quite understand why you're stuck on using 7 pieces of medium armor, when you could easily hit the stamina regen soft cap with 5 pieces and use the other 2 slots to help magicka management or mitigation. I used 7 medium for most of my leveling and honestly did not struggle with solo'ing in PvE, or with PvP. Also, the "stealthy escape" bit can be tricky and you'll likely end up having to deal with more than 1 target if there's more than 1 around.

Now I run 5 medium 2 light, and use dual daggers, a bow and a 2h. Dual daggers are always equipped, and the bow and 2h are swapped based on the situation in PvP. In PvE, I just use whichever I feel like using at the time.

In PvE, blood craze and leeching strikes can keep me alive through mostly anything. My DW bar uses these two abilities, and then the common shadowy disguise, surprise attack and killer's blade trio. In PvP, siphoning strikes is swapped out for swallow soul and blood craze for flying blade. My 2H bar uses 4/5 2h weapon skills (no cleave, except for if i'm trying to build alt super quick in dungeons) and reaper's mark (immovable is sometimes on this bar in PvP). My bow bar uses two bow abilities (varies depending on the situation), crippling grasp or prolonged suffering, reaper's mark and then either mass hysteria, focused attacks or swallow soul.

In PvP, between my assassination/shadow ablities and flying blade, I can do very high damage out of stealth, kite my target and keep my stamina high enough to roll/CC break to keep myself out of trouble (this is all through ONE bar, no weapon switching). Opening with stealth, stunning through cloak/surprise attack, and then rolling out of their immediate range and dropping flying blade repeatedly can bring down DKs (a NB assassins's hardest target) 90% of the time if we're the same level. Insert immovable into that mix, and things become easier. The same can be applied to other targets. Tanks are, of course, harder to take down but can be dropped fairly quickly with smart ult usage (soul tether is great for already-engaged fights, and can be built up to fairly quickly), repeatedly cloaking and stunning, and quick reactions.

If there are 2-3 targets, I can usually drop the first with dual daggers quickly enough to be able to switch to my bow/2h and use knockbacks/siphoning abilities to bring down 1-2 more as well. I generally try to focus on using class abilities on my DW bar, and then just stamina dump on my bow/2h for additional targets. This is my "lazy"approach. It's far more effective, I've found, to use potions in longer encounters with a single target or when going for a second or third kill and focus on constantly using magicka, up until stamina dumping is a must. If you use alchemy as a crafting skill, the passives from that tree + the potion passive for NBs can make potions extremely useful. Even with only 2 light pieces, I can keep my magicka from depleting through two player kills (on players of the same level) just by constantly watching it, pacing myself and using potions appropriately.

When it comes to groups/dungeons, this kind of rogue/assassin is really most useful for dropping bosses quickly. Using reaper's mark on adds back-to-back can give you a hefty 30 second damage boost (which seems to stack) that can help you do tons of damage to a marked boss with class abilities or weapon skills. The cloak makes it easy to avoid damage if you're targeted, even though it seems not to work occasionally. We do have some CC that can help with the trash and adds (stealth + soul tether is one of the most ridiculously powerful things out there, especially with how quickly you can build ult in dungeons with siphoning + soul harvest). I've yet to struggle with a dungeon with an appropriately leveled party.

I could go through the food/potions I use, but really a lot of that just depends on what your stats are looking like, whether or not certain things have hit their soft caps, etc...

tl:dr: the assassin/rogue NB is viable. You can succeed primarily using medium armor, or even just medium armor, no staves, and without the vampire skill line. I rarely see anyone who isn't shield bashing or talon'ing lowbies drop single targets as quickly as me in PvP and I have good sustained DPS in PvE group content, as well as great initial bursts from stealth. There are also plenty of options to help you get through solo content (mass hysteria, prolonged suffering, weapon skill knock backs, etc...).

Some general tips if you're struggling with this build in PvP (these can really apply to most classes):

- block when suspecting pulls
- use active armor abilities (immovable doesn't require heavy armor to use - i'm pretty sure that was conscious decision on the dev's part)
- consider a 5/2 armor set up if you're using 7 medium. this set up helps you to better make use of your stat distribution a lot of the time.
- consider the vampire skill line. I get it, some people just don't want to use it. But it has a great escape, which really benefits this kind of playstyle. It's not OP, if that's your holdup. The passives bug on death the majority of the time, stopping to feed in PvP without the passive that helps health regen is disruptive, and the ult has been addressed (I would like to see it nerfed more vs. players though).
- use potions. we have a great potion passive for a reason.

Some for PvE:

- don't underestimate your CC.
- make use of weapon skill knockbacks, snares, etc...
- try different combos of abilities. being stuck on using the same ults/rotation is bad for anyone. try different things, a lot of our abilities are more useful than you'd think, despite the unresponsiveness and buginess of many of the them.


The argument that every class can do what NBs can, but better, is really not accurate. NBs make GREAT tanks (there's a whole other thread on this with fantastic posts illustrating their usefulness as tanks). NB DPS light/medium armor builds can drop single targets stupidly fast, and reaper's mark makes their player-hopping ability crazy. I'd love to see a good sorc or templar take me and a good friend (of any class) down back-to-back... even with us not expecting it, it would be tough. I could keep going. At the end of the day, you are what you spec to be. Don't expect a varied, high-utility character if you spec to gank and don't expect to drop single targets quickly if one you have a ton of AoE/support on your bars.

ShedsHisTail

I'm just really hoping the upcoming Theives Guild and Dark Brotherhood lines have some serious synergy with the Nightblade class.

Darrett

Going to be interesting to see what happens in VR; right now at 47 on a healing Templar, I get my wife to help me with her 43 Nightblade because I have more difficulty soloing than she does. Might turn out to be the other way around in the VRs, though Templars still have issues there.

It is interesting though when I see a friend that has a 45 DK plowing through content that I have to approach tactically and then regen for a few seconds afterward, and it's a constant charge-AE-charge-AE from one group to the next for him. And it's not even VR levels yet.

ShedsHisTail

Darrett wrote: »

It is interesting though when I see a friend that has a 45 DK plowing through content that I have to approach tactically and then regen for a few seconds afterward, and it's a constant charge-AE-charge-AE from one group to the next for him. And it's not even VR levels yet.

Yeah, see, I can do that on my Nightblade right now (similar level) with little issue.
Lotus Fan into the group, Exploding Embers so they can't hit me, Whirling Blades until they die. Typically takes less than the four seconds of blindness induced by the Exploding Embers.

If there's a particularly nasty mob in there, I'll pop him with a Reaper's Mark before going in so he drops a little faster and buffs the ol' weapon power when he does.

Rinse, repeat.

Been working great for me for a long time; but I'm well aware that it will likely lose effectiveness in the VR ranks.

BSGDevastator

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

BSGDevastator wrote: »

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

BSGDevastator wrote: »

I am a VR1 NB who has few to absolutely none problems. I can solo Worldbosses even with useless gear and I can kill everyone except Shield users.

Here is my build for interested people:
http://www.elderscrollsbote.de/builds/vampire-nb-brawler-assassin/

The hidden blade is more or less just a decoration. I mean, assassins without throwing knives? Unthinkable for me.

A heavy/light vampire NB again.

Nobody is arguing the viability of your build. It's the standard assassin-esque rogue-esque build for which the class is known for and presented as that is having serious issues.

You are VR1. When you get up to VR3 I want to see you soloing world bosses at VR3 like DK's and Sorcerers can.

And .....try NOT being a broken vampire

I use 5 Medium Pieces and 2 Heavy pieces. The heavy pieces are just there for fabulousness. I would use full medium if chestplates and helmets weren't so ugly in medium.

Broken Vampire? I only use the speed for stealth. I don't use any active spell from the Vampire Skilltree. I could completely go without vampirism if I wouldn't be that impatient. Without the Dark Stalker passive I'm sooooo slow and I am a very impatient person. Sure, in PVP the stealth speed has a great benefit, but then again, you could switch out my Hidden Blade for Teleport Strike.

Sure, I'll update you when I'm at VR3 and soloing world bosses.

Edit: Vampire Part more description added

Cure vampirism. Use all medium armor, try to solo world bosses without using a resto staff as well.

Come back to me when you die.

You have missed the point of this entire thread. A game that tells you you can play how you want while punishing you for not being a vampire using an armor mixture isn't exactly truth in advertising.

Want my guide to defeat world bosses as NB without beeing a vampire? Here you go:

1. Sneak
2. Surprise Attack
3. Blood Craze Spam
4. Shadowy Disguise before Stun runs out
5. Stun again
6. Blood Craze Spam
7. Repeat until Cthulhu takes over the world

If you're not using Leeching Strikes, then I'm absolutely sorry for you. Some people just don't seem to be able to use a good skillbuild. You can't expect every stupid build to work..

But keep complaining because you probably took the most *** skills which can't even compete with the retardedness of my stupid cat.

DeLindsay

After I watched a VR9 solo a VR10 WB (not one of the fluffy ones, an actually difficult one) as a NB this thread is moot. I've always lol'd at people saying NB is underpowered when I can do FAR more damage (ST) than the other 3 "classes" while being able to survive just as well. I think the bigger issue is people look at NB and immediately think Rogue from WoW and expect to go in while stealthed, stun lock and insta *** anything then disappear into the shadows if it goes south. Well folks this isn't WoW, the game has some actual difficulty involved and the devs don't just spoon feed you cookie cutter builds and hand you gear on a golden platter (not that gear is hard to get ofc).

Try to actually read some of the other trees' abilities and play around with them, you might find that a completely out of the ordinary build is perfect for your NB and your playstyle.

martymart76_ESO

DeLindsay wrote: »

After I watched a VR9 solo a VR10 WB (not one of the fluffy ones, an actually difficult one) as a NB this thread is moot. I've always lol'd at people saying NB is underpowered when I can do FAR more damage (ST) than the other 3 "classes" while being able to survive just as well. I think the bigger issue is people look at NB and immediately think Rogue from WoW and expect to go in while stealthed, stun lock and insta *** anything then disappear into the shadows if it goes south. Well folks this isn't WoW, the game has some actual difficulty involved and the devs don't just spoon feed you cookie cutter builds and hand you gear on a golden platter (not that gear is hard to get ofc).

Try to actually read some of the other trees' abilities and play around with them, you might find that a completely out of the ordinary build is perfect for your NB and your playstyle.

You just.................

You don't get it.

*sigh*

You just......don't...get it.

You think I haven't watched those videos? Honestly?

Now look at this: The nightblade class, as it played in Oblivion, and Morrowind, and in the same skill choice as Skyrim, uses dual daggers and medium armor.

The videos you are watching, and trying to force upon me and others in this thread, as the end-all, be-all spec of how Nightblades should play (nevermind the game was advertised repeatedly as "play as you want" for a second), are people who are using a restoration staff, light armor, and a few heavy armor pieces, and are also vampires.

If you are going to come here and try and be objective and just completely dismiss the opinions of people who are higher VR levels than you, who have used parsings, and damage meters and explored in depth in the forums on this very website that you have ignored, then that's on you. That is your fail.

I am playing this class as it was advertised to be played: as a viable, dual weilding dagger leather armor wearing assassin type who functions accordingly:

Not a cloth robe wearing restoration staff using vampire altmer who uses broken mechanics to solo world bosses that aren't even meant to BE solo'd. ..and I am certainly not going to go to a class forum and sit there and tell other people who have played this class more extensively than me even in beta, that their opinions and objective facts and actual playtesting is "moot."

I just can't even with you.

martymart76_ESO

BSGDevastator wrote: »

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

BSGDevastator wrote: »

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

BSGDevastator wrote: »

I am a VR1 NB who has few to absolutely none problems. I can solo Worldbosses even with useless gear and I can kill everyone except Shield users.

Here is my build for interested people:
http://www.elderscrollsbote.de/builds/vampire-nb-brawler-assassin/

The hidden blade is more or less just a decoration. I mean, assassins without throwing knives? Unthinkable for me.

A heavy/light vampire NB again.

Nobody is arguing the viability of your build. It's the standard assassin-esque rogue-esque build for which the class is known for and presented as that is having serious issues.

You are VR1. When you get up to VR3 I want to see you soloing world bosses at VR3 like DK's and Sorcerers can.

And .....try NOT being a broken vampire

I use 5 Medium Pieces and 2 Heavy pieces. The heavy pieces are just there for fabulousness. I would use full medium if chestplates and helmets weren't so ugly in medium.

Broken Vampire? I only use the speed for stealth. I don't use any active spell from the Vampire Skilltree. I could completely go without vampirism if I wouldn't be that impatient. Without the Dark Stalker passive I'm sooooo slow and I am a very impatient person. Sure, in PVP the stealth speed has a great benefit, but then again, you could switch out my Hidden Blade for Teleport Strike.

Sure, I'll update you when I'm at VR3 and soloing world bosses.

Edit: Vampire Part more description added

Cure vampirism. Use all medium armor, try to solo world bosses without using a resto staff as well.

Come back to me when you die.

You have missed the point of this entire thread. A game that tells you you can play how you want while punishing you for not being a vampire using an armor mixture isn't exactly truth in advertising.

Want my guide to defeat world bosses as NB without beeing a vampire? Here you go:

1. Sneak
2. Surprise Attack
3. Blood Craze Spam
4. Shadowy Disguise before Stun runs out
5. Stun again
6. Blood Craze Spam
7. Repeat until Cthulhu takes over the world

If you're not using Leeching Strikes, then I'm absolutely sorry for you. Some people just don't seem to be able to use a good skillbuild. You can't expect every stupid build to work..

But keep complaining because you probably took the most *** skills which can't even compete with the retardedness of my stupid cat.

So let me get this straight.

You are somehow trying to sell to me, that your skill build is killing VR5+ world bosses with that setup? That you aren't running out of magicka?

That you can somehow miraculously heal the damage they do to full repeatedly, in all medium armor, without being a vampire, and totally solo a world boss like that?

Apparently you haven't read the myriad other posts in this skill forum about how broken so many of the Nightblade skills are, and how underpowered many of the dual wield skills are, and how poor the damage mitigation and dodging of medium armor is...Apparently you haven't read on how ZOM have admitted that the Nightblade needs work and they are making balance changes for the class in the next patch. I guess reality totally escapes you.

You are just flat out ignoring total objective facts thrown into your face, while making personal attacks against me and my intelligence and other people with whom you disagree.

You are the reason MMO's go downhill. When people like yourself start playing games open to the plubic, that's when things start falling apart.

There is no way, that you are soloing any World Bosses as a dual wielding medium armor nightblade with that rotation. NO way....and there are VR10+ players posting videos and parsings and absolute numbers on that fact on the Tamriel Foundry to prove you wrong.

But you go on ahead and ignore reality. Make yourself look like a fool. I'd rather have the "retardedness of your cat" (nice sensitivity by the way, especially to people who may have mentally handicap family members and children in their family, like myself) that think like you. You apparently don't have your cat's intellect, either.