thilog wrote: »

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

Dear Zenimax:

You mean you want to gank people in pvp. Just admit it. People who prefer hiding and using the most cowardly tactics are leaving the game..

Sounds great to my templar hide.

I don't even PVP. I don't give two shnitz about your OP class' hide.

I see a lot of reference to NB aoe compared to sorc aoe. I would like to point out that sorc has one good aoe, the ultimate summon skill, the rest of the aoe comes from destro staff. Sorc does not equal aoe, destro staff = aoe.

Is there no such thing as NB, light armor, destro staff build?

Niminion wrote: »

I see a lot of reference to NB aoe compared to sorc aoe. I would like to point out that sorc has one good aoe, the ultimate summon skill, the rest of the aoe comes from destro staff. Sorc does not equal aoe, destro staff = aoe.

Is there no such thing as NB, light armor, destro staff build?

You are missing the point...as I said before, we are talking about Nightblade assassin type builds here..Medium armor, dual daggers or swords, and stealth....the whole theme of the class is as an assassin as it has been back when they were first added into the ES universe. Stealth assassins with some limited magic abilities.

Im not rerolling or leaving but hey if you want to buff me im not gonna QQ about it.

Because there are no tank or dps classes in this game.
Abandoning the trinity just made balancing games a nightmare for the DEVs but thats the trend now.

Dear NB out there,

I play a v10 NB with decent Gear.
I've had no trouble at all going through the vet ranks. Our class has the most enjoyable power out there: invisibility. So maybe playing a stealth CC build to lvl up is not what you wish for, and you want to kill 5 mobs in 10 secs like a DK. But do not tell me it is hard to lvl up when you can chain CC pretty much 99% of the mobs out there.

Concerning the PvP, I really enjoy playing an assassin and I think NB perfectly fits the role. I can see a zerg go by, kill the last guy, and vanish before anyone can do anything. I can go invisible long enough to flee after killing a guy in a group of 5-8 enemies. I can 2v1 vet10's because of the insane burst and the survivability stealth and pots give me. Yes, there's a reason one of our passives (this one works!) has increased effects on pots.

I can play in Cyrodiil for 4hours straight without being killed, and killing around 10 players an hour. How much more of "assassin-like" can it get? This is solo pvp of course, but in general assassins are lone souls.

So before complaining, please just work on your build and understand the way a class is meant to be played "efficiently". The "play the way you want" argument is still valid, but ZOS never said you could be OP the way you wanted.

Now it is true that there are lots of bugs with passives, and we are all missing like 10-20% crit because of that. It is true that the shadow cloak does not cure a lot of Dots and that you can't cast it unless you have a minimum amount of Magicka left(test it, the minimum requirements to cast my 400 magicka cloak is actually 700magicka! The skill icon is greyed out and the skill is unusable unless I have 700magicka... Yet when I use it it costs 400... O.o).

Despite all of that, I think NB is an effective assassin. And when you think about it why would you roll a nightblade if you just want to AOE the *** out of people?

Be smart, use ruse, use stealth and invisibility... Become a shadow... and watch enemies look for you for 10 minutes after you killed a slacking-behind friend of theirs.

Bottom line: We just need the passives to work, no tweak is needed in my opinion. NB might be the hardest class to master but it is well worth it imo.

Edit: I am Breton, medium armor, DW&Two Handed... Not a khajit heavy blabla...

dardywood69connectb16_ESO wrote: »

Dear NB out there,

I play a v10 NB with decent Gear.
I've had no trouble at all going through the vet ranks. Our class has the most enjoyable power out there: invisibility. So maybe playing a stealth CC build to lvl up is not what you wish for, and you want to kill 5 mobs in 10 secs like a DK. But do not tell me it is hard to lvl up when you can chain CC pretty much 99% of the mobs out there.

Concerning the PvP, I really enjoy playing an assassin and I think NB perfectly fits the role. I can see a zerg go by, kill the last guy, and vanish before anyone can do anything. I can go invisible long enough to flee after killing a guy in a group of 5-8 enemies. I can 2v1 vet10's because of the insane burst and the survivability stealth and pots give me. Yes, there's a reason one of our passives (this one works!) has increased effects on pots.

I can play in Cyrodiil for 4hours straight without being killed, and killing around 10 players an hour. How much more of "assassin-like" can it get? This is solo pvp of course, but in general assassins are lone souls.

So before complaining, please just work on your build and understand the way a class is meant to be played "efficiently". The "play the way you want" argument is still valid, but ZOS never said you could be OP the way you wanted.

Now it is true that there are lots of bugs with passives, and we are all missing like 10-20% crit because of that. It is true that the shadow cloak does not cure a lot of Dots and that you can't cast it unless you have a minimum amount of Magicka left(test it, the minimum requirements to cast my 400 magicka cloak is actually 700magicka! The skill icon is greyed out and the skill is unusable unless I have 700magicka... Yet when I use it it costs 400... O.o).

Despite all of that, I think NB is an effective assassin. And when you think about it why would you roll a nightblade if you just want to AOE the *** out of people?

Be smart, use ruse, use stealth and invisibility... Become a shadow... and watch enemies look for you for 10 minutes after you killed a slacking-behind friend of theirs.

Bottom line: We just need the passives to work, no tweak is needed in my opinion. NB might be the hardest class to master but it is well worth it imo.

Edit: I am Breton, medium armor, DW&Two Handed... Not a khajit heavy blabla...

No no, I get it. You're right. Because you are doing so well, with your spec and skill, the class is fine. It should be totally ignored and not tweaked and errors fixed whatsoever, because you are doing so well. You aren't mentioning your skill selection I noticed.

Tell me: are you a vampire? Are you using the siphoning skills primarily?

Any links to your build and your stats?

I'm just curious and trying to educate myself....

Dear fellow NB,

I do not wish to go in the details of my build for obvious reasons. What I can tell you however is that the only Siphoning skill I am using is actually the ultimate (awesome to get out of trouble when 8 ppl are trying to bash your face).

I am a vampire, however the only skill I use from this tree is the last passive to get stealth speed. That is the only reason why I am a vampire. You can't suck on ppl's blood cuz everyone is a vamp anyways, and that would be a waste of a cloak.

I can turn your argument against you: Because you are doing so poorly then the class needs rebalancing? I can barely see how that would constitute any constructive comment.

I am just giving an opinion, I do not want to see this class become an easy to play rollface type of class, that's it.

Hope this helps.
Cheers

dardywood69connectb16_ESO wrote: »

Dear fellow NB,

I do not wish to go in the details of my build for obvious reasons. What I can tell you however is that the only Siphoning skill I am using is actually the ultimate (awesome to get out of trouble when 8 ppl are trying to bash your face).

I am a vampire, however the only skill I use from this tree is the last passive to get stealth speed. That is the only reason why I am a vampire. You can't suck on ppl's blood cuz everyone is a vamp anyways, and that would be a waste of a cloak.

I can turn your argument against you: Because you are doing so poorly then the class needs rebalancing? I can barely see how that would constitute any constructive comment.

I am just giving an opinion, I do not want to see this class become an easy to play rollface type of class, that's it.

Hope this helps.
Cheers

You aren't just giving an opinion. You aren't being helpful, you are bragging and being condescending while pretending you aren't. You are being an elitist and making the case that because YOUR one specific build is doing so well, that the entire class is totally fine and balanced, and anyone else needs to just "l2p."

And no, please explain to me the "obvious" reasons you aren't listing your spec? You are afraid someone would use your same spec and be successful with it? Help me here. Is this some sort of corporate spy situation, or restaurant guarding its private recipes? I don't think it is...."The class is fine because of my spec, but you can't have info on my spec, just trust me that my spec is awesome, but i won't tell you what it is, but believe me of how awesome i am and my spec is awesome and you suck at the gamelawl."

I never said I was "doing so poorly" at the game. I made the case that Nightblades do not do farming or killing or as high dps as every other class out there, with much easier specs, or without being forced to be vampires or working twice as hard as the other classes to accomplish the same goal in greater amounts of time.

"Cheers"

@martymart76_ESO

Wow, so much hate in your words.

I wasn't being rude or condescendant, but you certainly are. I never said l2p, I said work on your builds. I was not agressive at all, but you are.

My post was made on a rather "friendly" tone. Yet I think 50% of the interest in TESO is finding a build that rocks, so no, I am not sharing mine and spoiling ppl's fun.

I am not the only successful NB out there, there has been some in this very thread.

You wanna play a Rollface class, don't go NB. But don't go telling ppl the class sucks or needs rebalancing. You say yourself: "other classes" have "easier builds"... Well just roll an easier class then...

My advice: pack up your rage and go play some other MMO, we definitely don't need any ppl like you on TESO.

Cheers, hateful person

Hes not hateful, hes frustrated with an obviously broken class (not saying there arent 1 or 2 working builds, but a lot of our tools are broken or just crap) and your aloof condescending tone.

Vuron wrote: »

dardywood69connectb16_ESO wrote: »

@martymart76_ESO

Wow, so much hate in your words.

I wasn't being rude or condescendant, but you certainly are. I never said l2p, I said work on your builds. I was not agressive at all, but you are.

My post was made on a rather "friendly" tone. Yet I think 50% of the interest in TESO is finding a build that rocks, so no, I am not sharing mine and spoiling ppl's fun.

I am not the only successful NB out there, there has been some in this very thread.

You wanna play a Rollface class, don't go NB. But don't go telling ppl the class sucks or needs rebalancing. You say yourself: "other classes" have "easier builds"... Well just roll an easier class then...

My advice: pack up your rage and go play some other MMO, we definitely don't need any ppl like you on TESO.

Cheers, hateful person

I'm going to jump in here, but not into your argument. You were pretty much correct in everything that you said. The NB is very easy to level to endgame and can handle most VR content pretty easily with the correct build and/or playstyle.

Your build and playstyle are probably very close to mine. The issues come in when someone wants to play a slightly different playstyle and finds that they are underpowered or that many of the skills/passives don't work as intended or don't work, at all.

Also, one of the biggest complaints about the NB is the lack of AoE and support. Many people are finding that they are not needed or not wanted for the end game content. There is very little for an assassin type NB to offer when doing VR level dungeons and even the upcoming Craglorn AZ. Most of the end game content is geared towards AoE and the other classes all fill those roles much better.

I am glad you came in to be helpeful. I appreciate it.

But build advice would be helpful, also. I want to enjoy my nightblade, and for all my research, and my own respeccing and testing (at great expense, but that's another huge issue entirely), I haven't found a build that is as effective as I would like it to be, one that is equally as powerful and effective as the other classes.

Why is it, that the people who come off as wanting to "help," who are the biggest braggarts about how wonderful their specs are and how amazing they are doing at VR5+, are the ones who won't talk about their spec and skills they use? It just comes off as a needless brag; a non-statement.

"Well nobody is obligated to help you with your build." Which is correct. Nobody is. But it is ridiculous for people (not you, Vuron) to bring themselves up to the top of the totem pole, express how amazing their build and character design is, and then refuse to put it to the test by telling people specifics and how their rotation is. Are people in this game really going to try and have some sort of closely guarded arcane secret class skill knowledge that they can't share with others, while at the same exact time telling people to learn how to play their class better or roll another..?

This is the Class Skills forum topic, and we have people here refusing to reveal the class skills they use. LOL

MasterLanz wrote: »

@martymart76_ESO‌

In a game with such a broad and robust character system, discovering, testing and implementing builds is part of the game.

The argument that the players who are successful should post their builds because this is a 'skills' thread applies to the people complaining as well. Why don't you post your build, and others can pick it apart for you if they want to help you.

The fact of the matter is that this isn't a 'help me get better' thread, it's a whining thread. It's to make noise about how dissatisfied some people are with nightblade. The people complaining aren't exactly posting up builds either. Close to no one here is saying "This is my build. What am I doing wrong?", but rather saying "This is my experience. This class sucks.".

You want to make it a topic about skills, you're welcome to start any time. Just don't expect competitive and successful players to just pour their secrets and combos out to people just because they whine about it not working out for them.

When you are a forum moderator working for Zenimax, you can tell me how and what to post to appease your judgements. Not only that, this thread is about ISSUES with the Nightblade class. I wasn't the one who brought up how good or bad my spec is. I brought up mechanical and coding issues (effectively, broken abilities) with the nightblade versus the ease and power of other classes, which has been echoed by many other users if you take the time out to read the Class Skills area (which clearly you are).

"Pour their secrets and combos out" to people? Secrets? Really? Like it's lost, forbidden, and ancient knowledge that gives them power they will somehow lose if they tell others? Come on... Are you serious or just arguing to argue? I didn't make this thread to require anyone to tell me their builds, but people have come in here and literally bragged about how amazing their superOP builds are without any evidence to back it up put forth. I am not asking for secrets, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That's how science and research works.

Troll someone else. This thread was about class imbalance which is widely..widely....acknowledged by both the NB players in this forum section and by the Dev's as has been said previously in the posts...or are you actually here to try and "take up" for someone that I debated with in this thread? Sounds like the latter.

As a fact (and that is not funny)..the best weapon for a NB dealing with a mob is the resto-staff.

Why is the class called Night-BLADE and not RANGER? Or half-Sorc

Why is it nigh impossible to defeat a Boss without a ranged weapon? Bow or Staff?

Your build is wrong? That is just spawning platitudes.
Why having all these build-options in the first place if only one build really is viable and that build is ranged?
In this case just remove all the impossible to succeed options. Get rid of the clutter of class skills and weapon skills because they are not only not viable they are useless if you want succeed in the game. Especially in the higher levels and boss fights.

The class of Night-BLADE needs serious redesign.

martymart76_ESO wrote: »

"Pour their secrets and combos out" to people? Secrets? Really? Like it's lost, forbidden, and ancient knowledge that gives them power they will somehow lose if they tell others? Come on... Are you serious or just arguing to argue? I didn't make this thread to require anyone to tell me their builds, but people have come in here and literally bragged about how amazing their superOP builds are without any evidence to back it up put forth. I am not asking for secrets, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. That's how science and research works.

Lots of players keep their combos to themselves because it gives them an edge. Knowing things other people don't know is always an edge.

The fact of the matter is that these problems that you claim are so pervasive simply aren't true for some players. You can accept that they're doing something right, and you're doing something wrong, or you can't. That's your limitation to deal with. Attacking the people who simply don't subscribe to your bias as if they're somehow arrogant for not holding your hand isn't going to make you a better nightblade either way.