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Yet another Templar nerf.
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Theist_VII✭✭✭✭✭
✭Renato90085 wrote: »Theist_VII wrote: »This also nerfs Warden since Chilled is direct damage as far as i know.
Not quite sure about that interaction, but it goes without a doubt that every class was negatively impacted by this change, except for Arcanist and maybe Dragonknight.
Reason I put so much focus on Templar in the title of the thread is because @ZOS_GinaBruno handed @ZOS_Kevin a satire piece about Puncturing Strikes overperforming, to publish, which I found hilarious.
Talk about getting set up. 😂
dk nerf too, runecarver’s blaze need vma greatsword buff do good dmg
Does Runecarver proc that frequently? Wasn’t it every 3rd tick of a dot?0 -
Renato90085✭✭✭Theist_VII wrote: »Renato90085 wrote: »Theist_VII wrote: »This also nerfs Warden since Chilled is direct damage as far as i know.
Not quite sure about that interaction, but it goes without a doubt that every class was negatively impacted by this change, except for Arcanist and maybe Dragonknight.
Reason I put so much focus on Templar in the title of the thread is because @ZOS_GinaBruno handed @ZOS_Kevin a satire piece about Puncturing Strikes overperforming, to publish, which I found hilarious.
Talk about getting set up. 😂
dk nerf too, runecarver’s blaze need vma greatsword buff do good dmg
Does Runecarver proc that frequently? Wasn’t it every 3rd tick of a dot?
This proc dmg is direct damage just set check dot ,so live runecarver can do 11-12k with greatsword
Now PTS we test is 9k-10k
and maybe it a buff for nb and Necro(if class main direct dmg is a high direct damage skill1 -
Theist_VII✭✭✭✭✭
✭Renato90085 wrote: »Theist_VII wrote: »Renato90085 wrote: »Theist_VII wrote: »This also nerfs Warden since Chilled is direct damage as far as i know.
Not quite sure about that interaction, but it goes without a doubt that every class was negatively impacted by this change, except for Arcanist and maybe Dragonknight.
Reason I put so much focus on Templar in the title of the thread is because @ZOS_GinaBruno handed @ZOS_Kevin a satire piece about Puncturing Strikes overperforming, to publish, which I found hilarious.
Talk about getting set up. 😂
dk nerf too, runecarver’s blaze need vma greatsword buff do good dmg
Does Runecarver proc that frequently? Wasn’t it every 3rd tick of a dot?
This proc dmg is direct damage just set check dot ,so live runecarver can do 11-12k with greatsword
Now PTS we test is 9k-10k
and maybe it a buff for nb and Necro(if class main direct dmg is a high direct damage skill
Okay, good to know it’s been tested.
Yeah so pretty much every class except for Arcanist is going to feel this change.
While I agree having one weapon dominating the scene in PvE is bad, it’s downright hilarious that one of the reasons it was nerfed was Puncturing Strikes, a poor man’s Fatecarver.Edited by Theist_VII on October 9, 2024 5:43PM3 -
Galeriano2✭✭✭✭Theist_VII wrote: »Renato90085 wrote: »Theist_VII wrote: »Renato90085 wrote: »Theist_VII wrote: »This also nerfs Warden since Chilled is direct damage as far as i know.
Not quite sure about that interaction, but it goes without a doubt that every class was negatively impacted by this change, except for Arcanist and maybe Dragonknight.
Reason I put so much focus on Templar in the title of the thread is because @ZOS_GinaBruno handed @ZOS_Kevin a satire piece about Puncturing Strikes overperforming, to publish, which I found hilarious.
Talk about getting set up. 😂
dk nerf too, runecarver’s blaze need vma greatsword buff do good dmg
Does Runecarver proc that frequently? Wasn’t it every 3rd tick of a dot?
This proc dmg is direct damage just set check dot ,so live runecarver can do 11-12k with greatsword
Now PTS we test is 9k-10k
and maybe it a buff for nb and Necro(if class main direct dmg is a high direct damage skill
Okay, good to know it’s been tested.
Yeah so pretty much every class except for Arcanist is going to feel this change.
While I agree having one weapon dominating the scene in PvE is bad, it’s downright hilarious that one of the reasons it was nerfed was Puncturing Strikes, a poor man’s Fatecarver.
To be fair it feels like jabs were just an escape goat argument for ZoS. The real reason why they made this change is most propably a new set called Shared Pain which was getting some broken results while combined with maelstrom 2h on PTS.Edited by Galeriano2 on October 9, 2024 6:52PM0 -
gariondavey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Galeriano2 wrote: »Theist_VII wrote: »Renato90085 wrote: »Theist_VII wrote: »Renato90085 wrote: »Theist_VII wrote: »This also nerfs Warden since Chilled is direct damage as far as i know.
Not quite sure about that interaction, but it goes without a doubt that every class was negatively impacted by this change, except for Arcanist and maybe Dragonknight.
Reason I put so much focus on Templar in the title of the thread is because @ZOS_GinaBruno handed @ZOS_Kevin a satire piece about Puncturing Strikes overperforming, to publish, which I found hilarious.
Talk about getting set up. 😂
dk nerf too, runecarver’s blaze need vma greatsword buff do good dmg
Does Runecarver proc that frequently? Wasn’t it every 3rd tick of a dot?
This proc dmg is direct damage just set check dot ,so live runecarver can do 11-12k with greatsword
Now PTS we test is 9k-10k
and maybe it a buff for nb and Necro(if class main direct dmg is a high direct damage skill
Okay, good to know it’s been tested.
Yeah so pretty much every class except for Arcanist is going to feel this change.
While I agree having one weapon dominating the scene in PvE is bad, it’s downright hilarious that one of the reasons it was nerfed was Puncturing Strikes, a poor man’s Fatecarver.
To be fair it feels like jabs were just an escape goat argument for ZoS. The real reason why they made this change is most propably a new set called Shared Pain which was getting some broken results while combined with maelstrom 2h on PTS.
Imagine if instead of destroying a playstyle that was already scuffed in order to attempt to reclaim what they also destroyed, that they instead just tweaked the new set shared pain so it didn't have that interactionPC NA @gariondavey, BG, IC & Cyrodiil Focused Since October 2017 Stamplar (main), Magplar, Magsorc, Stamsorc, StamDK, MagDK, Stamblade, Magblade, Magden, Stamden4 -
Vaqual✭✭✭✭✭I think I am starting to like this change. It will weaken some builds I like, but it will hurt also a lot of annoying stuff. Destro definitely benefited overly much from this with crushing, ele sus and the increased status chance.
When they first changed the bleed I was quite upset, but with this change I am pretty much ok, even though I capitalized on the live version as much as I could.3 -
Calffrey✭✭✭Another thought, was thinking “oh I can still use Templar charge in solo content because taunt won’t matter there.” But, my companion is a tank. So my source of major protection in difficult solo content is broken now.
Please make one morph a non-taunt.5 -
Gabriel_H✭✭✭✭Theist_VII wrote: »
Thanks for specifically referencing Puncturing Strikes, I would hate for there to be any confusion.
Eh?
12% of 6,666 is 800.
800 is more than 560.
How is that a nerf?0 -
Gabriel_H✭✭✭✭Blackbird_V wrote: »It's not giving you 800 damage. It's just a 12% boost at max.
No, it's a 12% boost period. At max it's 800 compared to the previous max that was 560.
Edited by Gabriel_H on October 16, 2024 12:21PM1 -
ArctosCethlenn✭✭✭Blackbird_V wrote: »It's not giving you 800 damage. It's just a 12% boost at max.
No, it's a 12% boost period. At max it's 800 compared to the previous max that was 560.
It increases your direct damage by up to 12 percent, scaling based on your spell/weapon damage. not by 12% of 6666 spell damage. So before, a 1000 hit would become 1560, now it'd be 1000 *1.12 = 1120.1 -
Gabriel_H✭✭✭✭ArctosCethlenn wrote: »It increases your direct damage by up to 12 percent, scaling based on your spell/weapon damage. not by 12% of 6666 spell damage. So before, a 1000 hit would become 1560, now it'd be 1000 *1.12 = 1120.
Fun Fact: End game requires more than 1,000 WD/SD.
I mean seriously:
My raid-buffed Templar DD:
My self-buffed Templar solo:
Heck, even my unbuffed Templar Tank has 2,592 WD/SD:
Edited by Gabriel_H on October 16, 2024 3:49PM1 -
Necrotech_Master✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ArctosCethlenn wrote: »It increases your direct damage by up to 12 percent, scaling based on your spell/weapon damage. not by 12% of 6666 spell damage. So before, a 1000 hit would become 1560, now it'd be 1000 *1.12 = 1120.
Fun Fact: End game requires more than 1,000 WD/SD.
I mean seriously:
My raid-buffed Templar DD:
My self-buffed Templar solo:
Heck, even my unbuffed Templar Tank has 2,592 WD/SD:
i think you missed the point
1000 number was the example of base dmg of a hit
the previous version of maelstrom 2h would have added a straight 560 dmg at max bringing the dmg to 1560
the new version is a 12% increase which would bring a 1000 dmg hit to 1120 dmg, nearly 70% less overall dmg for a low dmg hit like that
the strength in a flat increase is those apply before other % increases
if your comparing a higher dmg such as a spammable, the dmg needs to deal at least 4666 dmg for a 12% modifier to increase the dmg by 560 dmg, so the new version of the maelstrom 2h might surpass the dmg of old maelstrom 2h for high dmg single hits
like others noted based on the numbers this is almost entirely due to the fact the old maelstrom 2h buffed the return dmg on shared pain, and the example of 1000 dmg is very applicable to that proc as its dmg is actually even less than that, so the 70% margin mentioned is further increasedplays PC/NA
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ArctosCethlenn✭✭✭
Just say you don't know how either old OR new maelstrom 2h works. There's only a little shame in not understanding second grade math.ArctosCethlenn wrote: »It increases your direct damage by up to 12 percent, scaling based on your spell/weapon damage. not by 12% of 6666 spell damage. So before, a 1000 hit would become 1560, now it'd be 1000 *1.12 = 1120.
Fun Fact: End game requires more than 1,000 WD/SD.6 -
Theist_VII✭✭✭✭✭
✭ArctosCethlenn wrote: »
Just say you don't know how either old OR new maelstrom 2h works. There's only a little shame in not understanding second grade math.ArctosCethlenn wrote: »It increases your direct damage by up to 12 percent, scaling based on your spell/weapon damage. not by 12% of 6666 spell damage. So before, a 1000 hit would become 1560, now it'd be 1000 *1.12 = 1120.
Fun Fact: End game requires more than 1,000 WD/SD.
Lmao right. All it takes is a half-glance at the notes to equate the MA 2h nerf to one for Jabs.
They’ve outright stated that was the reasoning behind their decision, that they felt Puncturing Sweeps was overperforming, just read the quoted section from the OP.Edited by Theist_VII on October 16, 2024 8:45PM3 -
The_Meathead✭✭✭✭Theist_VII wrote: »They’ve outright stated that was the reasoning behind their decision, that they felt Puncturing Sweeps was overperforming, just read the quoted section from the OP.
That's the part that was so aggravating.
It's not "Hey guys, we're nerfing this weapon because it's outperforming what we wanted," and then oh look, Jabs got caught up in the change. That sucks, but collateral damage happens, right?
NOPE. It was straight up kicking Templar while it's down, and bragging about it. "Hey dummies still playing Templar! We caught you making Jabs kinda work, so we nerfed the heck out of it. TAKE THAT, YA BIG STUPID HEADS."
Just... why? The forums echo with pleas for Jabs to be brought back to a good level in as close to a consensus as you'll ever probably see, and they do this? *That's* the priority? I don't get it.Edited by The_Meathead on October 16, 2024 10:52PM5