People rerolling and leaving game over Nightblade broken/underpowered

Ysne58 · May 2014

@ub17_ESO‌ that does sound like a great build for a sorcerer class. The topic in this thread is nightblade. Lots of people want to play nightblade and are finding it really difficult. I keep trying different things with this class. I'm doing better than I was in beta. I think part of it is that some of the enemies have been changed and are easier for me to kill.

Luvsfuzzybunnies · May 2014

Therium104 wrote: »

merfpmerfinton wrote: »

I always find it kind of funny when people try to say the NB isn't an assassin class.
While it's true you don't have to play it that way, it is the default setup.

Create a new NB and cycle through the armor options. You're shown in full leather w/ dual daggers. If you don't think that means anything, then take a look at our class lines. Aside from having a line actually named "Assassination"...we have several actives and passives that involve stealth.
Master Assassin
Shadow Barrier
Surprise Attack / Concealed Weapon.
Ambush doesn't need to be used from stealth, but it certainly implies it. You don't ambush someone while in plain sight...
I doubt anyone who didn't have previous insight into this class picked it with the intention of using a staff.

My problem with the class is that it feels overwhelmingly mediocre.

Our single target dps basically consists of turning on Siphoning Strikes and spamming Surprise Attack and a sta dump. While this gives good numbers it's F'ing ***.

Stealth and invisibility are gimmicks. In pve they are really just for RP and in RvR you can have entire zergs stealthed in crouch mode. Any class can stealth and one shot a mob from stealth. There are also potions that will provide invisibility.
But really why bother sneaking up and killing 1-2 mobs in a stealthy manner at all when you can just run in gather up 6+ and AOE them down?
NBs can AOE well enough I suppose, but don't think its anywhere close to what a Sorc or DK can do.
And that's pretty much the crux of the matter. A NB can do decent, but anything the NB can do another class can do equally or better. Most people haven't realized this or just refuse to.

Poor guy. You are not overpowered and leading in tanking, healing, dps, and every aspect to the game so you are crying for buffs to be overpowered.

Pathetic.

Thats just the problem isn't it therium the nb class doesn't excel at any of the roles offered in this game. However all other classes do have something they are bettet at than the rest right now. The most blaringly obvious ecample being the dragon knight being able to do it all better then the rest. Its ok though bash is geyting nerfed so the dks will be survivable but not do quite as much damage as it did before so that will be more on par with a sword sheild build than being top dps and top survivability. Who knows that fix may smooth out lots more game play and in turn reduce the need for buffs in other areas.

Grim13 · May 2014

Sendarya wrote: »

It isn't a lot of fun. I'm stealthing along, taking out singles and 2's in a dungeon, snaking by mobs, and a sorc or dk comes blazing by killing everything in their path at full speed. I can't really say how depressing that is!

That's about it, right there.

Therium104 · May 2014

Stealth is a type of play style. You choose a class that maximizes stealth but want to play as another class.

This is truly the most ridiculous buff my class thread in history. Do you think the devs are idiots?

Zxaxz · May 2014

V6 NB - Duel Daggers/Bow - I have solo'd every dungeon and Almost every boss in the game (a V5 - 25K hp Mage Boss gave me issues, I waited 5 minutes for help). I solo Singles, Groups and Bosses. There are a few bugs in the class; But it is by no means broken. And if you can't solo every bit of content as a NB, there is something YOU are doing wrong.... BTW - Both in PvE and PvP.

Utildai · May 2014

Drachenfier wrote: »

My NB is heavy armor, sword and shield, reliant on twisting path and veil of blades to lay waste to everything, really enjoyable, however...

lack of burst healing of any kind sucks...leech damage reduction is way too much for what you get back, and strife healing is just too low. Also, the aoe is lacking because 9 times out of 10, mobs just step out of your path and then you're left with zero aoe damage and a huge ass recast cost. Not only do NB abilities need to be fixed, but the costs need to be lowered as well.

But, NB's aren't meant to heal per se, are they?

ArgonianAssassin · May 2014

Utildai wrote: »

Drachenfier wrote: »

My NB is heavy armor, sword and shield, reliant on twisting path and veil of blades to lay waste to everything, really enjoyable, however...

lack of burst healing of any kind sucks...leech damage reduction is way too much for what you get back, and strife healing is just too low. Also, the aoe is lacking because 9 times out of 10, mobs just step out of your path and then you're left with zero aoe damage and a huge ass recast cost. Not only do NB abilities need to be fixed, but the costs need to be lowered as well.

But, NB's aren't meant to heal per se, are they?

From my understanding about the bloodmage we're one of the best healers in the game.

Cogo · May 2014

I dont know if most of you guys are aware, but ESO was not advertised as a class game. Its CORE is so many choices for the player that you can not take them all and have to find what is good for you.

If someone leaves the game just cause they THINK their class got nerfed, or like with vampires WHO GOT FIXED, not nerfed. These people I dont see playing a long term game like ESO is.

I wonder if the "problem" is that you have to think for yourself, choose your skills carefully and not just pick what looks cool or WORSE, what some damn guide tells you.

You do realize that only 1 part of ESO is about combat. There are minimum 10 other parts that is just as important which in all makes this game to have a great possibility.

However, I do understand if the only thing you are interested in, is being the best damagedealer everywhere, every time, no matter your own personal skill even......then you might have choosen the wrong game.

Wildstar is out soon isnt it? They advertise themselves as the new wow. Gringing is great there and HEY, the pesky questgivers dont talk to you....good en, so you dont have to listen to them..... sigh.

There will be more changing and unless you have looked in the Patch 1.1 that's coming, we gonna see more then that. So if you choose something JUUUST because right now its the best in game! Yeah! Nothing can beat you.....except that to be balanced.

The true skill in ESO actually is up to the player....wierd eh?

ArgonianAssassin · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

I dont know if most of you guys are aware, but ESO was not advertised as a class game. Its CORE is so many choices for the player that you can not take them all and have to find what is good for you.

If someone leaves the game just cause they THINK their class got nerfed, or like with vampires WHO GOT FIXED, not nerfed. These people I dont see playing a long term game like ESO is.

I wonder if the "problem" is that you have to think for yourself, choose your skills carefully and not just pick what looks cool or WORSE, what some damn guide tells you.

You do realize that only 1 part of ESO is about combat. There are minimum 10 other parts that is just as important which in all makes this game to have a great possibility.

However, I do understand if the only thing you are interested in, is being the best damagedealer everywhere, every time, no matter your own personal skill even......then you might have choosen the wrong game.

Wildstar is out soon isnt it? They advertise themselves as the new wow. Gringing is great there and HEY, the pesky questgivers dont talk to you....good en, so you dont have to listen to them..... sigh.

There will be more changing and unless you have looked in the Patch 1.1 that's coming, we gonna see more then that. So if you choose something JUUUST because right now its the best in game! Yeah! Nothing can beat you.....except that to be balanced.

The true skill in ESO actually is up to the player....wierd eh?

Baseline increasing the cost of all vampire skills by 3* is a nerf, not a fix.

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

The true skill in ESO actually is up to the player....wierd eh?

And when 2 players of roughly the same skill level meet... which one will perform better? Which will be taken to a leaderboard challenge run? The one with the stronger class.

Nox_Aeterna · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

I dont know if most of you guys are aware, but ESO was not advertised as a class game. Its CORE is so many choices for the player that you can not take them all and have to find what is good for you.

If someone leaves the game just cause they THINK their class got nerfed, or like with vampires WHO GOT FIXED, not nerfed. These people I dont see playing a long term game like ESO is.

I wonder if the "problem" is that you have to think for yourself, choose your skills carefully and not just pick what looks cool or WORSE, what some damn guide tells you.

You do realize that only 1 part of ESO is about combat. There are minimum 10 other parts that is just as important which in all makes this game to have a great possibility.

However, I do understand if the only thing you are interested in, is being the best damagedealer everywhere, every time, no matter your own personal skill even......then you might have choosen the wrong game.

Wildstar is out soon isnt it? They advertise themselves as the new wow. Gringing is great there and HEY, the pesky questgivers dont talk to you....good en, so you dont have to listen to them..... sigh.

There will be more changing and unless you have looked in the Patch 1.1 that's coming, we gonna see more then that. So if you choose something JUUUST because right now its the best in game! Yeah! Nothing can beat you.....except that to be balanced.

The true skill in ESO actually is up to the player....wierd eh?

And yet , they failed pretty freaking hard on balance when it came down to the classes.

A DK is a freaking monster, to a point i dont even see what is the point of lvling my char , it is not a DK anyway.

Im giving them time to balance this mate , but my patience , like im sure of many others , got a limit.

You are right , they advertised this game saying class would not matter that much and you could still perform does not matter which you got , well then , they better make it so , cause for now that is just a lie.

Cogo · May 2014

@Nox_Aeterna‌

Sorry but if you consider 1 person being able to kill a whole army, you got the "balance" idea wrong. Vampires gets fixed. Not just bad stuff, some new.
And guess what, Zenimax is so nice that they return your skillpoints! Something I would never do!

About DK. I am a DK. PURE tank, by my choice. The fix to the shieldbash was really needed cause I did almost as much damage as a pure tank with NO offensive abilities other then tank related. This was stupid and needed to be fixed. And will will get fixed in Patch 1.1

Have you read it?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87867/patch-notes-v-1-1-inc-craglorn-from-pts/p

Cogo · May 2014

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Cogo wrote: »

The true skill in ESO actually is up to the player....wierd eh?

And when 2 players of roughly the same skill level meet... which one will perform better? Which will be taken to a leaderboard challenge run? The one with the stronger class.

I am sorry my friend but that may be true in WoW. In ESO a 1-1 fight with equal gear and stuff but 2 different classes is still up to the player.
BUT, I give you that some CLASS ONLY abiltiies like nightblade invis and then do a major attack on you is very powerful, maybe so power full that only a DK and templar with high tanking skills can take it.

Also, you have to understand one tiny detail. ESO is not a open world PVP game. Thanks for that!!!

There is PvP in a fairly new way.....Battles, sieges. Where tactics, cooperation and experience in your abilities and how to interact with your army will win the day. Not a DK class if you think they are overpowered.....

Also, Balansing is a hard thing. Its constant and needs to be adressed.

I never failes to amaze me when people quit because their class got "nerfed"
Lets say for a moment that DK do get nerfed and become by far the worst classs. No way I would quit! I would try to improve. Use other abilities etc.

Censorious · May 2014

But...but...nightblade is a ROGUE isn't it!!?

Why can't I pwn everything like I should!!

It's not fair!!!!! nerf sorcerers!!!! WAAAAAAHHHHHHH!!!

Nox_Aeterna · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

@Nox_Aeterna‌

Sorry but if you consider 1 person being able to kill a whole army, you got the "balance" idea wrong. Vampires gets fixed. Not just bad stuff, some new.
And guess what, Zenimax is so nice that they return your skillpoints! Something I would never do!

About DK. I am a DK. PURE tank, by my choice. The fix to the shieldbash was really needed cause I did almost as much damage as a pure tank with NO offensive abilities other then tank related. This was stupid and needed to be fixed. And will will get fixed in Patch 1.1

Have you read it?
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/87867/patch-notes-v-1-1-inc-craglorn-from-pts/p

Where did i say that? I just said they failed to balance the classes.

I already took a look on 1.1 , but honestly , i prefer to see things working , than teocraft that this or that will solve the problem , make a fix , test it , if that did not work , try again.

Being a programmer myself , in the end i guess i got too used to the compile at each step and see what happens method. Instead of trying big changes in one go just to then wonder where it went wrong.

What i can say for sure is that , this game is FAR from balanced right now , really far , and for a dev team that spoke so much about how picking your class would not make you feel locked to this or that role like in other MMOs , they failed , failed HARD.

Never felt this bad playing a char in a MMO , because usually , when i want a tank , i get a tank , here they said i would not need the DK to tank , pick whatever you want right? So i got a templar ... im a healer (i can be a subpar tank also if i want heh), i look at a DK tanking ... no , im not like that at all.

bg22 · May 2014

I'm not tryin to plug my video... But nightblade just needs FIXED, not buffed. (Besides our self heal, it's awful). When all the abilities work correctly, it's fun.

Here's how I play my NB.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JSdiAMFWu50&client=mv-google

zinoviy22b14_ESO · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

I'm not tryin to plug my video... But nightblade just needs FIXED, not buffed. (Besides our self heal, it's awful). When all the abilities work correctly, it's fun.

Here's how I play my NB.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JSdiAMFWu50&client=mv-google

Were you using flying blade with a shield? or was that impale you were knocking them off the ponys with?

Loco_Mofo · May 2014

Therium104 wrote: »

Stealth is a type of play style. You choose a class that maximizes stealth but want to play as another class.

This is truly the most ridiculous buff my class thread in history. Do you think the devs are idiots?

No, just you Therium, just you buddy.

vicNBitis · May 2014

My non-vamp Nightblade is close to VR9 now and I've never had a problem leveling at a good pace. I've played it the same way since level 3 with only slight alterations. The biggest one(adding Siphoning Attacks) was done at VR7 since our damage doesn't scale very well in relation to bad-guy health. No major issues with my NB tank either.

No, the elephant in the room is that DKs and Sorcs are severely OP. If your main toon is an NB you've seen the Sorc in full cloth who AOE spammed while self-healing 100 times better than you. You've seen DK tanks block AND sustain an order of magnitude better than you. But stop thinking "I want to be OP too!!!" and just accept the fact that you're pretty fine as is. The problem is with DKs and Sorcs. They need to be nerfed and nerfed again just to be safe.

vicNBitis · May 2014

For all the people who play DKs or Sorcerers whinging about the NBs whinging need to be honest for a second. You can't with a straight face say that your class isn't OP. I mean DKs have an AOE damage, AOE DOT, AOE cc & synergy all rolled into one skill which isn't even an ultimate ffs. Whoever was in charge of class/skill balance when that made it through the first sniff test was either high or asleep. That's a turd the size of Mount Everest.

Chirru · May 2014

vicNBitis wrote: »

My non-vamp Nightblade is close to VR9 now and I've never had a problem leveling at a good pace. I've played it the same way since level 3 with only slight alterations. The biggest one(adding Siphoning Attacks) was done at VR7 since our damage doesn't scale very well in relation to bad-guy health. No major issues with my NB tank either.

No, the elephant in the room is that DKs and Sorcs are severely OP. If your main toon is an NB you've seen the Sorc in full cloth who AOE spammed while self-healing 100 times better than you. You've seen DK tanks block AND sustain an order of magnitude better than you. But stop thinking "I want to be OP too!!!" and just accept the fact that you're pretty fine as is. The problem is with DKs and Sorcs. They need to be nerfed and nerfed again just to be safe.

That is right...you would not have a problem as a Vampire... but not everyone wants to be a Vampire. It is the basic NB class that is lacking power.... and as for the guy with the video... why did he not show us when he got done in for... no he cut that one out to elevate himself and to show how skilled he is. I wonder if he is a Vamp also... or a V10 ganking on a couple of level 10 elevated players who have no clue what they are doing as yet.
Naturally all such videos show you and your Char only at its best... it is prove of nothing....

vicNBitis · May 2014

Chirru wrote: »

That is right...you would not have a problem as a Vampire... but not everyone wants to be a Vampire. It is the basic NB class that is lacking power.... and as for the guy with the video... why did he not show us when he got done in for... no he cut that one out to elevate himself and to show how skilled he is. I wonder if he is a Vamp also... or a V10 ganking on a couple of level 10 elevated players who have no clue what they are doing as yet.
Naturally all such videos show you and your Char only at its best... it is prove of nothing....

I'm not a vampire. Never have been one. Werewolf either for that matter. And I've had no problem with an NB tank, healer, or burst/crit DPS. The builds are less forgiving and require a lot more work than other classes(no opinion on Templars yet) but I'll chalk that up to all the things that are broken with skills, animations, etc. Because of all those things it's kind of hard to argue coherently right now about exactly where NBs stand. I happen to think they're fine but can't disagree too much with those who can't find a good build for the style of play they want.

I just think they definitely need to nerf DKs HARD and fast. And Sorcs not quite as hard and fast.

bg22 · May 2014

zinoviy22b14_ESO wrote: »

bg22 wrote: »

I'm not tryin to plug my video... But nightblade just needs FIXED, not buffed. (Besides our self heal, it's awful). When all the abilities work correctly, it's fun.

Here's how I play my NB.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JSdiAMFWu50&client=mv-google

Were you using flying blade with a shield? or was that impale you were knocking them off the ponys with?

No, I'm weapon swapping from 1h/shield to dual wield to use Flying Blade, then back to 1h/shield.

Kyotee0071 · May 2014

bg22 wrote: »

I'm not tryin to plug my video... But nightblade just needs FIXED, not buffed. (Besides our self heal, it's awful). When all the abilities work correctly, it's fun.

Here's how I play my NB.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JSdiAMFWu50&client=mv-google

Nice video.

But -

Most of the complaints are from the PVE end of this game regarding NB's in vet content. I believe the consensus is that NB's are fine in PVP for one v one/ganking/havoc squads and small man groups - and if they throw on a couple resto staves, some light armor, and adjust their skills - they can be pretty good healers, debuffers, and a pain in the a** to the opposing faction in zergs warfare.

TheBull · May 2014

Passive health regeneration out heals the siphon skill line's dps.

Grim13 · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

I dont know if most of you guys are aware, but ESO was not advertised as a class game. Its CORE is so many choices for the player that you can not take them all and have to find what is good for you.

If someone leaves the game just cause they THINK their class got nerfed, or like with vampires WHO GOT FIXED, not nerfed. These people I dont see playing a long term game like ESO is.

I wonder if the "problem" is that you have to think for yourself, choose your skills carefully and not just pick what looks cool or WORSE, what some damn guide tells you.

You do realize that only 1 part of ESO is about combat. There are minimum 10 other parts that is just as important which in all makes this game to have a great possibility.

However, I do understand if the only thing you are interested in, is being the best damagedealer everywhere, every time, no matter your own personal skill even......then you might have choosen the wrong game.

Wildstar is out soon isnt it? They advertise themselves as the new wow. Gringing is great there and HEY, the pesky questgivers dont talk to you....good en, so you dont have to listen to them..... sigh.

There will be more changing and unless you have looked in the Patch 1.1 that's coming, we gonna see more then that. So if you choose something JUUUST because right now its the best in game! Yeah! Nothing can beat you.....except that to be balanced.

The true skill in ESO actually is up to the player....wierd eh?

weird*

;p

Grim13 · May 2014

TheBull wrote: »

Passive health regeneration out heals the siphon skill line's dps.

Here's another issue. The number of times I've been dueling someone, one on one, in PvP... only to have them able to heal FASTER than my NB can damage them! Doesn't matter whether it's Siphon, DW, or Bow... a NB's DPS is often out matched by the other classes ability to heal. lol

Still_Mind · May 2014

My NB Siphon tank feels perfectly viable. Rolled a DK to see what all the fuss is about, too. Currently in his 40s. It has nice utility, but otherwise, I'm not impressed.

What NB needs most is fixing. A lot of passives are broken. It could use some sustained damage buffs, but overall, I'm satisfied with how it does in Veteran content.

khele23eb17_ESO · May 2014

Cogo wrote: »

I am sorry my friend but that may be true in WoW. In ESO a 1-1 fight with equal gear and stuff but 2 different classes is still up to the player.
BUT, I give you that some CLASS ONLY abiltiies like nightblade invis and then do a major attack on you is very powerful, maybe so power full that only a DK and templar with high tanking skills can take it.

Also, you have to understand one tiny detail. ESO is not a open world PVP game. Thanks for that!!!

There is PvP in a fairly new way.....Battles, sieges. Where tactics, cooperation and experience in your abilities and how to interact with your army will win the day. Not a DK class if you think they are overpowered.....

Which part of my statement made you think I was refering to PvP? I didnt say 'which one will win' or 'which one will kill the other'. I said 'which one will perform better'. Which one will be more usefull to take into the group when not only do you want to clear a certain piece of content but you need to do it faster than other groups in order to get the really cool rewards.

I never failes to amaze me when people quit because their class got "nerfed"
Lets say for a moment that DK do get nerfed and become by far the worst classs. No way I would quit! I would try to improve. Use other abilities etc.

You say that now but everyone's patience has limits.

Loco_Mofo · May 2014

Grim13 wrote: »

weird*

;p

LOL you ass