Very odd disappearing Grandmaster blacksmithing station

g0thiCiCecReaM · March 22

This happens with the armory station quite a lot actually. If you have crafting stations or armory stations placed too close to the walls in certain houses they will disappear until log out or you retrieve them and replace them. This also happens with the storage chests too. I have it happen in one of the little side rooms in pantherfang from time to time and the alinor crest townhouse. This is most noticeable if you are not the owner of the house.

Araneae6537 · March 22

Right now I have my master crafting stations at Doomchar Plateau, not by any walls or at the edge of building space or anything. I’ve had the Master Blacksmith Station since shortly after U40 in its current location and never had any issues with it, visibility or otherwise. Since U41, it is sometimes mostly invisible (as in the OP), sometimes completely visible. I have not attempted to move or pickup and replace it. It can be invisible when I log in and visible when I return to the house later (without relogging).

Tenthirty2 · March 22

Same issue for me as OP describes, started after U41.

old_scopie1945 · March 23

FYI I have the same problem as well, but of note I don't have the Essential Housing Tools addon installed.

g0thiCiCecReaM · March 23

Yeah this is not addon related for sure, I reported this bug a few times a couple years ago before I even started using addons. It got "improved" around update 38 or 39, still happened occasionally but much, much less often.

g0thiCiCecReaM · March 23

As a side note, this only seems to happen to objects that have interactions, but only objects where their interactions that are disabled by being too close to other objects, namely crafting stations (and storage). When you place a crafting station too close to something it disables the ability to interact with it (green/yellow glow while placing it), something to do with interaction menu detection and bounding box of the object. I'm wondering if the same collision detection is causing it to pop under/outside of the terrain when the zone loads (most likely the cause) - but only for some clients. I've seen this behavior where I can still see and interact with some objects, but others in the house can't even see them. If I nudge them just a little bit, they appear for the other people in the house.

old_scopie1945 · March 23

Of note, this was not a problem before the last update and only affects the GM blacksmith station. You can still interact with this station regardless of which state it's in.

g0thiCiCecReaM · March 24

old_scopie1945 wrote: »

Of note, this was not a problem before the last update and only affects the GM blacksmith station. You can still interact with this station regardless of which state it's in.

No it's affecting pretty much all crafting stations, armory stations and storage boxes, we had some people reporting things other than the grand master blacksmith station missing last night in our guild hall. Stuff was also only missing for some people, other people in the house could still see them.

athena9205 · March 25

no update on the current patch notes

CoronHR · March 27

has anyone come up with a fix for this? u41 didn't fix it for me

Necrotech_Master · March 27

CoronHR wrote: »

has anyone come up with a fix for this? u41 didn't fix it for me

since the last incremental patch, the grand smithing station in my house seems to render more reliably now, havent had it be "invisible" since monday at least

old_scopie1945 · April 4

Still acting up. When I log in, all my characters are in my house and the GM Blacksmith station is still kaput. If I travel to my house in game and I enter from outside I works just fine. When I port directly to my house is when it acts up.

g0thiCiCecReaM · April 9

Mine is still broken, regardless of how I port into my house it's still only partially there.

Sachsen71 · April 11

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, thanks for reporting this issue with the disappearing grandmaster blacksmith stations. We have a bug in for this and are investigating solutions.

Bump. Still broken, no updates since March 20th.

Sachsen71 · April 26

Bump. Still broken, no updates since March 20th.

@ZOS_Kevin

g0thiCiCecReaM · April 28

I thought this was fixed but it's still happening. I picked it up and put it back down, it stayed for a week or so, now it's partially missing again.

Sachsen71 · April 30

Oddly enough, it doesn't seem to happen when I go to someone else's house - like a guild hall, etc. It only happens to my own station in my house. And yes, I've tried picking it up, moving it around, putting it away and resetting it etc. It still becomes partially missing quite often. Doesn't happen every time, but it happens enough to be a regular annoyance.

Necrotech_Master · April 30

i seem to notice it happening more if i log out and login while inside my house, than porting to it from a normal zone

g0thiCiCecReaM wrote: »

I thought this was fixed but it's still happening. I picked it up and put it back down, it stayed for a week or so, now it's partially missing again.

this is kind of my experience, i never picked mine back up but there was a period there where it seemed to be fine more and then i noticed it starting to not render correctly again, though it would still be useable

Lord_Graas · May 1

My grandmaster blacksmithing station totally vanished today too. It's invisible now.

MsOblivyous · May 1

I uninstalled EHT and all the parts hoping that would fix the problem, but it still disappears quite often.

mistchof · May 3

I am having the same issue. The blacksmithing station is the only Grand Master station I'm having an issue with. I can make it visible again if I put it away and place it again, but then the next time I come to the house it's back to being invisible again. It's not just invisible to me, other people who come to my house see the same thing.

Sachsen71 · May 6

Bump. Still broken, no updates since March 20th.

@ZOS_Kevin

Hamfast · May 6

I wanted to add my picture to the list...

it still works, but I almost had a heart attack when I saw it was missing... until I noticed it was only mostly missing...

ClowdyAllDay · May 6

I suggest that we immediately do every thing we can to return fallenesti because it’s absence is clearly spreading to other parts of Tamriel. We should def inform the psijics to get their assistance

Kelinmiriel · May 9

@ZOS_Kevin - Some friends of mine had this problem, and we did tests. I haven't seen all of this information mentioned here, so would like to pass it on in case it's of use.

1. EHT is not related. The problem occurs with or without addons.
2. It appears that the Grand Master Blacksmithing Station (GMBS) texture is only a problem with stations that are partially filled. Those that are completely empty (have 0/77 sets) and those that are completely full (77/77 sets) load correctly.
3. If you travel to a home where there's an empty or full GMBS, the texture remains loaded correctly when you travel to a home where there's one that's partially filled.

To explain that last more clearly, if you sign on to the game, go to a house where one appears correctly, then go to a house where there's a buggy one, it will also appear just fine. In fact, we haven't found a way to re-break it during the same login session.

Going to a home with a buggy one, it's invisible. Then going to a home where there's one that's entirely full or empty, that appears correctly, then returning to the buggy one - it appears fine, and stays visible for the rest of the login session.

Hope that helps. Thanks to @StorybookTerror and @MsOblivyous who were testing this too.

code65536 · May 10

Kelinmiriel wrote: »

EHT is not related. The problem occurs with or without addons.

I had never encountered this bug until recently, when I installed EHT to make a copy of my NA home to replicate on EU.

With EHT installed, the blacksmith station had a number of missing textures.

Once I was done using EHT, I uninstalled it, restarted the game, and everything was fine.

I later reinstalled EHT again to do another copy between servers, and again, the same thing happened, where the blacksmithing station (on both servers) was missing textures.

And it again went away after removing EHT and restarting the game.

Yea, I know, it's just two data points, so maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree. But I believe it can be a possible explanation.

EHT adds 742 textures totaling 78MB, so it's plausible that this might have caused some sort of resource issue that caused things to not display. If this was a resource issue, then it would probably also depend on how many textures are added by other addons, which could explain why some people have a problem with EHT and some don't. And because of the way textures are handled, the game needs to be restarted after installing or removing addons that add textures, so someone who just disabled EHT and reloaded UI might still see the problem; they'd have to restart the client to see the difference.

Necrotech_Master · May 10

code65536 wrote: »

Kelinmiriel wrote: »

EHT is not related. The problem occurs with or without addons.

I had never encountered this bug until recently, when I installed EHT to make a copy of my NA home to replicate on EU.

With EHT installed, the blacksmith station had a number of missing textures.

Once I was done using EHT, I uninstalled it, restarted the game, and everything was fine.

I later reinstalled EHT again to do another copy between servers, and again, the same thing happened, where the blacksmithing station (on both servers) was missing textures.

And it again went away after removing EHT and restarting the game.

Yea, I know, it's just two data points, so maybe I'm barking up the wrong tree. But I believe it can be a possible explanation.

EHT adds 742 textures totaling 78MB, so it's plausible that this might have caused some sort of resource issue that caused things to not display. If this was a resource issue, then it would probably also depend on how many textures are added by other addons, which could explain why some people have a problem with EHT and some don't. And because of the way textures are handled, the game needs to be restarted after installing or removing addons that add textures, so someone who just disabled EHT and reloaded UI might still see the problem; they'd have to restart the client to see the difference.

ive never used EHT and the smithing station doesnt load right for me a good portion of the time (except for a brief period before the anniversary event)

for what its worth lol

Bunnios · May 15

This has just happened to me.

Like OP, I fed my first set station (also Order's Wrath) into it yesterday.

Today when I went to my house, it is bugged (most of the model missing).

That is too big of a coincidence for it not to be related.

Feeding it a second station did not fix it.

I do not have EHT installed (ever).

Edit: After my own testing, Kelinmiriel's reply (#56) correctly describes the problem (and temporary solution)