Very odd disappearing Grandmaster blacksmithing station

Sintao

Encouraging update #2 (final for now)

I had what I think was an awesome reply to my ticket, reference 241112-002329. Here's what they said and I follow that with a suggestion that may be useful for some.

Greetings!
Thank you for that detailed information! I have sent this information to the development team in hopes that it helps them reproduce the issue and come up with a fix. Please feel free to keep an eye out for future patch notes and updates!
In the meantime, I have sent you a replacement Grand Master Blacksmithing Station via in game mail. You should see it when you next log in!
We sincerely appreciate you bringing this issue to our attention and thank you for your cooperation in gathering more information.
If you have any further questions or concerns in the meantime, please let us know and we would be happy to assist you!
Thank you, (etc)

In my opening post to the ticket I asked for a replacement Grand Master Blacksmithing Station. Why? I am glad you asked. I had added one set only to my existing station (and then it started becoming invisible), and given what we know, if I place this new station and do not add any sets then it will remain visible.

This approach may be useful for some of you.

To remind you all: it is strongly believed that this bug only manifests for Grand Master Blacksmithing Station that have had at least one set added to it, but are not yet fully maxed out (80/80 or whatever).

kyle.wilson

It only seems to happen for certain characters for the one in my house.
My main DK has it disappear quite frequently, but swapping to a different char on the same account it is visible.

Sintao

SaintJohnHM wrote: »

We just went through all the work of putting our grand master crafting stations together, and our blacksmithing station is weirdly partially transparent.

Does your Grand Master Blacksmithing Station have all available sets added? How many sets are added?

SaintJohnHM

Sintao wrote: »

SaintJohnHM wrote: »

We just went through all the work of putting our grand master crafting stations together, and our blacksmithing station is weirdly partially transparent.

Does your Grand Master Blacksmithing Station have all available sets added? How many sets are added?

Only three sets added to it so far.

Necrotech_Master

kyle.wilson wrote: »

It only seems to happen for certain characters for the one in my house.
My main DK has it disappear quite frequently, but swapping to a different char on the same account it is visible.

ive noticed it seems to more frequently be invisible, or partially invisible when you logout inside the house and log back in later inside the house

if i logout anywhere else and then port to the house, the station is fine

Sintao

Another update.

I have updated the ticket and asked support to also send this to the Development Team.

I placed the new Grand Master Blacksmithing Station (no sets added) and kept the old Grand Master Blacksmithing Station (1 set added). And now I have one invisible (Grand Master Blacksmithing Station with one set added) and one that is visible (Grand Master Blacksmithing Station with no sets added).

This I believe proves incontrovertibly that the bug rests solely with the item, not with anything we, the player, can change.

My ticket reference is 241112-002329. Support have been great but also pinging @ZOS_Kevin as he has previously commented in this thread.

BergisMacBride

Sintao wrote: »

To remind you all: it is strongly believed that this bug only manifests for Grand Master Blacksmithing Station that have had at least one set added to it, but are not yet fully maxed out (80/80 or whatever).

Not true. My problem has only been with my full GM Clothing station. My blacksmithing station is always visible. This is something with the GM stations in general, not just the BS one.

Sintao

BergisMacBride wrote: »

Sintao wrote: »

To remind you all: it is strongly believed that this bug only manifests for Grand Master Blacksmithing Station that have had at least one set added to it, but are not yet fully maxed out (80/80 or whatever).

Not true. My problem has only been with my full GM Clothing station. My blacksmithing station is always visible. This is something with the GM stations in general, not just the BS one.

I agree this is happening for you of course. However! I am thinking it may not be happening for many others and it may not be due to this specific bug.

The reason I think that is because in the images above, all the stations are Grand Master stations with one set added (apart from the new one with no sets added), and at no time has any station except the Grand Master Blacksmithing Station shown this bug. (Hence the name of this thread.)

It could be an idea to start a new thread and begin a new ticket regarding this issue for your situation.

BergisMacBride

Sintao wrote: »

I agree this is happening for you of course. However! I am thinking it may not be happening for many others and it may not be due to this specific bug.

The reason I think that is because in the images above, all the stations are Grand Master stations with one set added (apart from the new one with no sets added), and at no time has any station except the Grand Master Blacksmithing Station shown this bug. (Hence the name of this thread.)

It could be an idea to start a new thread and begin a new ticket regarding this issue for your situation.

You might be right, although it stands to reason whatever bug is causing the BS station to bug out and disappear is the same one affecting my Clothing station, for whatever reason. I’ll probably wait until they fix (if they can) this bug and see if it fixes my station. Might file a ticket, but probably won’t post another thread since it will probably be locked by the forum admins and I’ll be pointed to this thread.

I almost have enough writ vouchers to purchase all the stations again as well as the GM ones so maybe I’ll outfit another set and do some more tests.

Sintao

@BergisMacBride:

You might be right, although it stands to reason whatever bug is causing the BS station to bug out and disappear is the same one affecting my Clothing station, for whatever reason.

Fair enough! It might be a complex weave! (pun intended, sorry)

However, when thinking, here's a little more information that may help decide your vanishing Clothing station is the same as this bug:
• Two guilds I am in have access to two different houses, both with fully stocked Grand Master stations of all types. No player (and that's more than 400 I believe) has ever reported any of them vanishing like this.
• Recently we've asked folks to keep an eye out, and same result.

That leads me to think that your bug may not be exactly the bug of this thread.

(And how cool would it be if they named bugs after the player who best reports them or gets them over the line to the Dev Team!)

BergisMacBride

Sintao wrote: »

@BergisMacBride:

You might be right, although it stands to reason whatever bug is causing the BS station to bug out and disappear is the same one affecting my Clothing station, for whatever reason.

Fair enough! It might be a complex weave! (pun intended, sorry)

However, when thinking, here's a little more information that may help decide your vanishing Clothing station is the same as this bug:
• Two guilds I am in have access to two different houses, both with fully stocked Grand Master stations of all types. No player (and that's more than 400 I believe) has ever reported any of them vanishing like this.
• Recently we've asked folks to keep an eye out, and same result.

That leads me to think that your bug may not be exactly the bug of this thread.

(And how cool would it be if they named bugs after the player who best reports them or gets them over the line to the Dev Team!)

There's been so much silence from ZOS on this thread since @ZOS_Kevin replied several months back, I worry this might be the housing version of the "stuck in combat" bug, one for which they never find a fix.

katanagirl1

I wonder if this bug might somehow be related to the issue with lighting in homes that has occurred int the past. I also often see it where the blue flame at wayshrines and the Daedric portal to Cheesemonger Hollow are invisible in the game, quite frequently in fact. The game just struggles to render all of the glowing objects we have nowadays.

The clothing station in particular has these sheets of paper on it, but they are glowing. Personally, I don’t understand why they would be and do not like the look. The whole set of stations has quite a few glowing pieces. I wonder if turning off the glow of the pages on the clothing station would help. My guess is most players group them together closely in the same spot of their houses and that causes the problem, but of course you would want to do so

Playnice

Has this bug been fixed yet?

BergisMacBride

Playnice wrote: »

Has this bug been fixed yet?

No, and aside from @ZOS_Kevin 's response earlier this year on March 20, there has been no update from the team on this issue.

sshogrin

ZOS_Kevin wrote: »

Hi all, thanks for reporting this issue with the disappearing grandmaster blacksmith stations. We have a bug in for this and are investigating solutions.

This also happens with clothing stations, only with the clothing station nothing from it appears.

davidtk

I would like to join the club of invisible GM craft stations

Gm Blacksmith station with two sets added.
I wanted to buy another one, but since I only have a couple of sets so far, I'd rather not buy another station. I wanted them for the design, but I don't need the invisible ones... Too bad I spent 1500 writ vouchers.
@ZOS_Kevin, @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom any news about this glitch?

Peace_Walker

zos, do something about it!

DinoZavr

in my humble understanding - this bug has been matured into a feature

davidtk

These long lasting glitches/bugs are an embarrassment to this game.
Whether it's cosmetic issues or these visual issues to severe quest issues lasting up to a full year like High Isle and group quests (it was reported on PTS that the group was not functioning, but no one fixed it, it went live and no one fixed it, it took about a year before it was fixed).
And this bug with these stations... While it's nice that the devs have fixed this bug for fully atunned stations, what about the remaining tiers? When one simply doesn't have thousands of writ vouchers to fill a station with 80 sets. So is it supposed to be a privilege only for guild masters to have visually functional fully atunned stations?
I know, I know. Atunnable stations can be bought with gold via guild traders. But it's just a shame that these Grand Master Crafting Stations are bugged for so long...
@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Lady_Rosabella

davidtk wrote: »

And this bug with these stations... While it's nice that the devs have fixed this bug for fully atunned stations, what about the remaining tiers? When one simply doesn't have thousands of writ vouchers to fill a station with 80 sets. So is it supposed to be a privilege only for guild masters to have visually functional fully atunned stations?

@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

100% agree.

davidtk

I've started to notice an oddity. Sometimes I log into the game, right into the house, and my blacksmith station is visible. But then someone comes to my house and it's invisible to them. Then I relog and station is invisible too. These stations are starting to behave very strangely.

Heinrikr

If I've understood correctly, there are four different versions of the grand master blacksmithing stations - completely empty (always visible), "lightly attuned" which I have and which is bugged and sometimes visible, sometimes invisible, "moderately attuned" and "fully attuned" (always visible at least in most of the cases). Question: how many sets do you need to add for the workstation to become moderately attuned and does the bug also affect that version (and how many sets do you need to add for the workstation to become fully attuned, all 80 or less)?

davidtk

Fully attuned must be all 80 (for current patch)
I saw it in one guildhouse where owner had 77 and it was moderately attuned.

Nestor

With these, are these Houses you built or already made?

My Crafting Stations never sink or migrate. I do tend to place them outside in the yard with my houses for quickest access. But I have yet to build a house from scratch.

davidtk

Nestor wrote: »

With these, are these Houses you built or already made?

My Crafting Stations never sink or migrate. I do tend to place them outside in the yard with my houses for quickest access. But I have yet to build a house from scratch.

How many sets you have attuned in yours GM stations?
Are they blank or lightly attuned or moderately attuned or fully attuned?

Btw they not sink or migrate. They are INVISIBLE, you can interact with them but they missing textures until you reload UI or re-enter the house where you have them.

Sintao

To recap, @davidtk, the bug this refers to is for Grand Master Blacksmith stations that hold more than zero but less than 'full (80) sets. I have sent ZOS a picture of two grandmaster blacksmith stations in the same house. One visible (no sets) and one invisible (1 set) as part of the proof of the bug.

katanagirl1

Heinrikr wrote: »

If I've understood correctly, there are four different versions of the grand master blacksmithing stations - completely empty (always visible), "lightly attuned" which I have and which is bugged and sometimes visible, sometimes invisible, "moderately attuned" and "fully attuned" (always visible at least in most of the cases). Question: how many sets do you need to add for the workstation to become moderately attuned and does the bug also affect that version (and how many sets do you need to add for the workstation to become fully attuned, all 80 or less)?

I would like to know how many sets you need to get past the invisible station bug. I have just started this process of buying tables and attuning them and don’t have enough writ vouchers yet to completely fill the Grandmaster tables.

joergino

My station contains all craftable sets, but the bug is not prevented by the station being "fully attuned". It doesn't happen often, but it does happen.

davidtk

Sintao wrote: »

To recap, @davidtk, the bug this refers to is for Grand Master Blacksmith stations that hold more than zero but less than 'full (80) sets. I have sent ZOS a picture of two grandmaster blacksmith stations in the same house. One visible (no sets) and one invisible (1 set) as part of the proof of the bug.

Don't understand why I am tagged there.
I myself have a problem with this bug on a Grand Master Blacksmith station. Even I posted it here(#107) above some your comments. My is light attuned with only two sets because when this bug happened I refused to continue spending on attunement stations until they fix it and I started to see some oddity, what I posted here(#112)

katanagirl1

I’ve been able to add 65/80 sets so far and haven’t seen the bug.

I just have the GMC tables in my Snugpod with a few other furnishings.