Siphoning Strikes and its morph is a slap to Sorc buff requests

SIow · January 31

Nb nerfed now literally unplayable

StaticWave · January 31

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Weren't you the same person who made a huge fuss out of the Vampire having a teleport skill because "Sorcerer's already had one and now your making the same issue with Nightblades.

NB is getting the buffs we asked for Crit Surge and Dark Deal. Of course us sorc mains will complain. It's like saying "Necro should get Major Brutality on Blastbones" and instead ZOS gave it to another class.

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Perhaps try a class other then Sorcerer, they are probably the most generic and least fun class to play anyway.

I have a Sorc, NB, Templar, Warden, DK, and Necromancer, all fitted for PvP with decent Alliance Rank. So yes, I have tried other classes and I prefer stamsorc the most.

You think Sorc is the least fun to play? That's laughable. I can hop on a NB right now and dominate most fights. Same for DK and Warden. In fact, playing on overperforming classes is more boring. What's the challenge if I'm getting carried by the class lol?

Stamsorc is a vanilla class and only requires minor buffs and QoL changes. All other classes need to be nerfed to see any semblance of balance.

Major_Toughness · January 31

Stamsorc is currently only behind Arcanist for the strongest class in PvP. Magsorc needed some love and it is getting it.

What am I missing?

olsborg · January 31

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Ekhem... does anyone remembers how Siphoning Strikes used to work in the past ? I mean like looong time ago ? The OG skill was a "toggle". It did not costed anything, but it was basically like "stance change" or mode button. You gained a benefit & a penalty when it was "on" or something like that. That was kind in line with class theme & would be definitely better if they reworked it back into a toggle. If players have issue with rotation then having to recast it kinda does not help.

From how I remember it, it used to make all your dmg deal 10% or 20% less dmg, but you gained 1k stam and mag per light attack.

This is how it was actually:
While toggled, basic weapon attacks restore 4% health, magika and stamina but reduce weapon and spell damage by 25%. 15% chance on all attacks to restore 15% magika and stamina.

TechMaybeHic · January 31

I have to say, the no longer needing to light attack makes it way more valuable. Playing a NB, when I would need the sustain has usually been when trying to elude and get away and it wasn't helping. That's not to say NB needed this because they certainly don't. I think it would be high time to make cloak block mag regen the way sneak does stam the direction this change is taking.

As for sorc; I haven't played sorc a lot because I do get annoyed by bar space for heals needing both bars, AND then having Dark Deal for resource sustain, AND have a spot for crit surge. A lot of sorcs get around that by making sacrifices to something other classes just have that i chose not to deal with and why i dont play it. So I could see how having just the healing part of crit surge only to go with Dark Deal at the cost of its "burst" heal would be a bar space savior. Not sure how all the buff attempts this PTS introduced will play out, though.

kojou · January 31

I think the Major Sorcery/Brutality buff on Crit Surge should be passive with the precedent that is what Arcanist has. The heal should still require and active cast though.

emilyhyoyeon · January 31

All I can say is that to me it makes more sense for NB's heal thing to proc off crit damage since they are more crit oriented, and Sorc's heal thing to proc off plain damage

Major_Toughness · January 31

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

All I can say is that to me it makes more sense for NB's heal thing to proc off crit damage since they are more crit oriented, and Sorc's heal thing to proc off plain damage

They are equally crit orientated. They are the two classes that grant the group Minor Crit buffs.

Vulkunne · January 31

Sorc is too strong already. NBs for example, stand virtually no chance whatsoever in PvP against a Sorc.

DC has a group where half of them run Sorcs and these guys do not go down... ever. It takes a group to bring each of them down solo, never mind when they are in groups themselves.

Sorc is very strong right now and you guys have little room to complain. Take that time and energy (and money) and go throw it at the Templar, they the ones who need help the most.

StaticWave · January 31

SandandStars wrote: »

I wish the combat dev team would be much more transparent and share their experience playing pvp.

It really seems like they don’t play pvp much, and that 1 developer who loves playing nightblade is the default decision maker based on the rest of the team’s lack of interest.

Yea. This thread might come off as a nerf NB thread but it isn’t. It’s more of a complaint towards the Dev team.

Several sorc mains like me, @Turtle_Bot, @MashmalloMan, etc. have suggested ways to fix Sorc’s pain points and improve quality of life, with two of the suggestions addressing Crit Surge and Dark Deal’s reliability, especially after I made a thread about how buggy Dark Deal is while interrupted.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/8036318#Comment_8036318

We are still confused why NB received these changes instead when the class never lacked healing or sustain. In fact, sustain on a NB is better than Sorc, at least on the live server. I know this because whenever I hopped on my NB I could feel the ease of sustain compared to my Sorc.

We aren’t asking for these NB changes to be reverted, but we would at least hope they also make the same quality of life changes for Crit Surge and Dark Deal.

emilyhyoyeon · January 31

Major_Toughness wrote: »

emilyhyoyeon wrote: »

All I can say is that to me it makes more sense for NB's heal thing to proc off crit damage since they are more crit oriented, and Sorc's heal thing to proc off plain damage

They are equally crit orientated. They are the two classes that grant the group Minor Crit buffs.

I'm thinking more of the way they play off crits with stealth and stuff as assassins rather than the class buff thing. Not really a science more of just a vibe

MashmalloMan · January 31

Vulkunne wrote: »

Sorc is too strong already. NBs for example, stand virtually no chance whatsoever in PvP against a Sorc.

DC has a group where half of them run Sorcs and these guys do not go down... ever. It takes a group to bring each of them down solo, never mind when they are groups.

Sorc is very strong right now and you guys have little room to complain.

Any time you start an argument with a ball group as your basis, you might want to consider how it's not a representation of most combat in the game.

Like of course a group of coordinated, vet players, probably on discord, comprised of a class that excels in movement speed and ranged damage would be broken. They cover each other's weaknesses and melt from range.

You could make any ball group like that broken. Hell, forget which content creator it was, but they got a group of templars that literally spammed jesus beam on players and it hilariously worked despite being an execute.

Idk how many times sorc mains have to say it, none of us are asking for a lot here. We want a little better buff/debuff access, no pet sorc to have better tools(this patch helped that), and we want Dark Deal and Crit Surge to be updated for 2024 context of ESO. They have drawbacks no other class has to deal with.

Edit: take that last part back, Necro has terrible buff/debuff access and skill choice, and Templars need love after nerfs to POTL and Jabs.

ArchMikem · January 31

I dunno what kinda META you play, but 4,000 health immediately gone, HURTS, even if it gives good resources back. For a squishy NB under 30k Health, this is a liability.

Scenario, you're in combat on half health but starved for resources, you cast this but oops, you just put yourself in Execute while surrounded by Jesus Beams and Spin to Wins.

Sluggy · January 31

StaticWave wrote: »

I'm calling it right now. NB will become the easiest class to sustain on while having the highest burst in the game.

That's a pretty easy call to make when it's been true for at least a year....

Sluggy · January 31

ArchMikem wrote: »

I dunno what kinda META you play, but 4,000 health immediately gone, HURTS, even if it gives good resources back. For a squishy NB under 30k Health, this is a liability.

Scenario, you're in combat on half health but starved for resources, you cast this but oops, you just put yourself in Execute while surrounded by Jesus Beams and Spin to Wins.

I play the meta where I have 18k hp and survive just fine because if they can't hit me then it doesn't matter how much health I have. The only downside for me would be that I can't infinitely sustain while in cloak and have to actually engage with fights if I want the bonus. Personally, it just means I'd drop it and slot cripple instead

Major_Toughness · February 1

MashmalloMan wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

Sorc is too strong already. NBs for example, stand virtually no chance whatsoever in PvP against a Sorc.

DC has a group where half of them run Sorcs and these guys do not go down... ever. It takes a group to bring each of them down solo, never mind when they are groups.

Sorc is very strong right now and you guys have little room to complain.

Any time you start an argument with a ball group as your basis, you might want to consider how it's not a representation of most combat in the game.

Like of course a group of coordinated, vet players, probably on discord, comprised of a class that excels in movement speed and ranged damage would be broken. They cover each other's weaknesses and melt from range.

You could make any ball group like that broken. Hell, forget which content creator it was, but they got a group of templars that literally spammed jesus beam on players and it hilariously worked despite being an execute.

Idk how many times sorc mains have to say it, none of us are asking for a lot here. We want a little better buff/debuff access, no pet sorc to have better tools(this patch helped that), and we want Dark Deal and Crit Surge to be updated for 2024 context of ESO. They have drawbacks no other class has to deal with.

Edit: take that last part back, Necro has terrible buff/debuff access and skill choice, and Templars need love after nerfs to POTL and Jabs.

You can play in a group but not a ball group. Just several people playing together on voice may not have group sets, especially magsorc where the common build is either max mag stacking, or Draugrkin and a sustain set, while stamsorcs run full Procs. Neither likely to run any group sets.

A magsorc isn't a problem for a NB tbh as they are also burst orientated but weaker damage typically. Stamsorc is, as the NBs kryptonite is pressure. Sure they can cloak but all the dots tick, but curse and ele sus break cloak anyway.

I said it before, Stamsorc is second only to Arcanist this patch. Magsorc needed some help, and it got some. So I do not see the what all the noise is about.