Serpari wrote: »

derkaiserliche wrote: »

I understand the frustration but lets be honest here: Noone can ban a player for spamming skills or emotes.

Maybe a solution would be to have a roleplay guild and meet up in the guildhouse (build and furnished like a tavern) and enjoy ur rp there in peace..

When abused as a tool for harassment? They absolutely can and they have done so in the past. It's also in the TOS. And again, I already do these things (going into a private residence and RPing there). Still doesn't solve my problem of being harassed in public.

but how can you tell they are doing it as a form of harassment ? you have no idea what is going through that person's mind so its not like you can prove ill will.

sorry but this whole thread is alien to me -- i figure with all of the stuff that actually needs to be fixed in this game, what a group of goobers is doing in a tavern in one town doesnt seem to break the top 100 list.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

xilfxlegion wrote: »

Serpari wrote: »

derkaiserliche wrote: »

I understand the frustration but lets be honest here: Noone can ban a player for spamming skills or emotes.

Maybe a solution would be to have a roleplay guild and meet up in the guildhouse (build and furnished like a tavern) and enjoy ur rp there in peace..

When abused as a tool for harassment? They absolutely can and they have done so in the past. It's also in the TOS. And again, I already do these things (going into a private residence and RPing there). Still doesn't solve my problem of being harassed in public.

but how can you tell they are doing it as a form of harassment ? you have no idea what is going through that person's mind so its not like you can prove ill will.

sorry but this whole thread is alien to me -- i figure with all of the stuff that actually needs to be fixed in this game, what a group of goobers is doing in a tavern in one town doesnt seem to break the top 100 list.

If they have been asked to stop and keep doing it, then they're obviously doing it for harassment. Also, if they target the same group for an absurd length of time. That's pretty easily proved.

ok i can see that -- but then my follow up question would be -- if you know this group has been doing this for a while now why keep going there? there is no shortage of taverns in the game.

xilfxlegion wrote: »

Serpari wrote: »

derkaiserliche wrote: »

I understand the frustration but lets be honest here: Noone can ban a player for spamming skills or emotes.

Maybe a solution would be to have a roleplay guild and meet up in the guildhouse (build and furnished like a tavern) and enjoy ur rp there in peace..

When abused as a tool for harassment? They absolutely can and they have done so in the past. It's also in the TOS. And again, I already do these things (going into a private residence and RPing there). Still doesn't solve my problem of being harassed in public.

but how can you tell they are doing it as a form of harassment ? you have no idea what is going through that person's mind so its not like you can prove ill will.

sorry but this whole thread is alien to me -- i figure with all of the stuff that actually needs to be fixed in this game, what a group of goobers is doing in a tavern in one town doesnt seem to break the top 100 list.

It's not necessary to know what exactly is going through a person's mind. It's sufficient to assume harassment, if a player continues to use mementos on another player after being asked to stop. That's not hard to understand.

I won't defend hypocrits, which are demanding, that those mementos (which have their valid use outside harassing situations) are removed from the game.

But continuing to use said mementos on players, which already stated, that they feel uncomfortable by being targeted, is clearly against ToS and should be punished appropiately.

Syldras wrote: »

Braffin wrote: »

I won't defend hypocrits, which are demanding, that those mementos (which have their valid use outside harassing situations) are removed from the game.

How are they hypocrits?

Call them however you want.

xilfxlegion wrote: »

if i honestly felt it was a form of harassment then yes. but my opinion is obviously different than the op's and most other people in this thread.

What do you think about people who, as soon as they see a group of roleplayers sitting somewhere, start spamming the chat with nonsense to disrupt conversation and mudballing the roleplayers nonstop? The only purpose that behavior has is obviously ruining the fun of other players. Don't you think ESO would be better off if people who enjoy disturbing other player's gaming experience and immersion would be removed (after a warning, of course - they should have a chance to show they're willing to change, after all)?

xilfxlegion wrote: »

i think that no matter where you go in life there will be people that will be butt heads - but unlike real life this one has an easy answer which is dont go there if you know these idiots are gonna do that. maybe its because i am older and completely ignorant of the whole rp culture, but to me, and keep in mind my opinion is solely mine, this is minor in the grand scheme of things and certainly doesnt warrant multiple threads.

But in reality, there are also house rules. If someone at a railway station, shopping mall or exhibition center randomly screams at other visitors or even throws things at them, security will come and throw them out. I don't see any difference here.

xilfxlegion wrote: »

except that one is real life.
if in real life a psycho is screaming at you then yes i fully agree.
but in a video game - where they arent screaming but typing and doing emotes -- vastly different.

But the game also has terms of service and rules about what is allowed here and what not. Annoying/disrupting other players on purpose is forbidden.

I think I've seen your group before. Was doing a quest and happened upon one of your RP sessions but the minute I got got pegged with mudballs thought it was your group so I just left.

KlauthWarthog wrote: »

Don't bother. This kind of in-game harassment is actively encouraged by the game designers. There are event activities and achievements based on harassing others, and they even sell tools for harassment on the premium currency store:

I'm pretty sure there are several Game Designers over at ZOS who are also the type to find humor in annoying/taunting others. They even animated and sold in the Crown Store a Dance that's basically glorified Tea Bagging, even though they also claimed continuous Tea Bagging is a reportable offense.

xilfxlegion wrote: »

i think that no matter where you go in life there will be people that will be butt heads - but unlike real life this one has an easy answer which is dont go there if you know these idiots are gonna do that. maybe its because i am older and completely ignorant of the whole rp culture, but to me, and keep in mind my opinion is solely mine, this is minor in the grand scheme of things and certainly doesnt warrant multiple threads.

but again, that's just my .02

Harassment isn't just disagreement. It's intentionally and persistently going out of your way to be disrespectful, disruptive, etc.

That's absolutely something people can do online. And people sign a contract when they play agreeing not to conduct themselves in this manner. A person who is harassing others is being detrimental to the experience all of us paid real money to receive and to the ability of Zenimax entertainment to conduct business.

Such a person is the only one that should be responsible for their purposeful contract violations. It's not on the people they are targeting to tolerate the experience they paid money to receive being ruined constantly. And it's not on Zenimax to let people cause their customers to simply leave the game because they are annoyed.

Panderbander wrote: »

While I'm not innocent of being a little troll-y there from time to time

That's interesting. Why?

Panderbander wrote: »

Messing with friends, mostly. Never ridiculously so, worst I've done is massacred NPCs as a werewolf.

If it's friends, it's something different, in my opinion. Other than with strangers, you normally know what friends find funny and what not.

xilfxlegion wrote: »

Serpari wrote: »

derkaiserliche wrote: »

I understand the frustration but lets be honest here: Noone can ban a player for spamming skills or emotes.

Maybe a solution would be to have a roleplay guild and meet up in the guildhouse (build and furnished like a tavern) and enjoy ur rp there in peace..

When abused as a tool for harassment? They absolutely can and they have done so in the past. It's also in the TOS. And again, I already do these things (going into a private residence and RPing there). Still doesn't solve my problem of being harassed in public.

but how can you tell they are doing it as a form of harassment ? you have no idea what is going through that person's mind so its not like you can prove ill will.

sorry but this whole thread is alien to me -- i figure with all of the stuff that actually needs to be fixed in this game, what a group of goobers is doing in a tavern in one town doesnt seem to break the top 100 list.

Easily—I have a video of one troll using mudballs on me for over half an hour, even after being asked to stop by multiple people.

This isn't rocket science, plausible deniability only gets you so far. When the entire tavern has reported you for memento spamming, using loud and bright animations to obstruct the view, and purposely dragging NPCs you attacked onto other people to knock them out of place/their emotes?

Last night, because I needed to level Legerdemain and Vampire anyways, I spent over an hour denying a troll NPC bodies with my Blade of Woe. This troll's character name, by the way, is a reference to a racist meme about Indian (as from India, the country) people.

It might not be important to you, but it's a problem that's gone on for years now, that affects multiple people, and that ZOS is on record stating they'll take care of in the future. So here I am, holding them accountable. I pay a subscription to this game and I do all the other content too (PVP, housing story, you name it I've done it) I see no reason why I should stop engaging in this particular area of ESO I enjoy because someone chooses to be a child. I've already done everything I can in my power not to deal with these people, but at some point people need to be held accountable for their inappropriate actions towards others.

Panderbander wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Not that you should have to, but has your Roleplay group considered switching inns each week?

That could be a great way to throw off players that want to troll your group while bringing publicity to your community to get more people involved.

The thing about the Evermore tavern is that there's no group running an event there for the most part. It's just an open space that's sort of become the open hub for getting casual RP in without requiring much commitment, and pretty much everyone can partake. There have been groups that tried to relocate the "hub" as it were, but none have been successful in any real capacity; Evermore is still the place to log in, walk up to the bar, and drop an emote to get into the RP.

While I'm not innocent of being a little troll-y there from time to time I can attest to some folks taking it to extremes by dragging NPCs through groups of players, using the brightest and most obnoxious mementos they can find, and just generally being a troll for the sake of being a troll.

This is it, really. I care about this place because 1) I've met great people through it, people I'm still friends with to this day, and 2) I do not have time to network with RP guilds, join Discord servers, plan events, etcetera. That is another job as far as I'm concerned, and I'm already a full-time professional working on finishing a degree too.

I like Evermore because it's pick up RP, no application, no elitism. I like Evermore because I like to people watch—their appearances, their backstories, so many things. English is not my first language actually, and I learned how to write it through RP in other MMOs. RP means a lot to me. I want others to get to enjoy it like I did.

Panderbander wrote: »

Tyrant_Tim wrote: »

Not that you should have to, but has your Roleplay group considered switching inns each week?

That could be a great way to throw off players that want to troll your group while bringing publicity to your community to get more people involved.

The thing about the Evermore tavern is that there's no group running an event there for the most part. It's just an open space that's sort of become the open hub for getting casual RP in without requiring much commitment, and pretty much everyone can partake.

...I dunno if you guys are talking from a PC Server standpoint, but I'm actually curious now and should go strolling into the Inn next time I go to Evermore and see what I stumble into.