Trolls In Evermore & Public RPing

Serpari

For those who don't know, the Anchor's Point tavern in Evermore, Bangkorai, is the public location where roleplayers gather in PC NA. As the years have gone on, I've noticed less and less RPers coming into this public location. A big reason? Trolling from other players. I've been here since launch. In the beginning it was fairly easy to ignore, as the occurrences were not common. These past few months, however, I've noticed an uptick in emote trolling (mudballing in particular, other players leaning on your character to force you out of your emote, and others), ability spamming (casting active effects on characters to force them out of emotes, using flashy effects/mementos to blind people), and the usual say/shout bigotry from roving groups of dedicated trolls.

All of these people are on Ignore, to the point my Ignore list is full. I've lost count of the amounts of reports I've sent ZOS.I've followed the instructions to the letter, including DMing these people to stop, and providing ZOS video of the behavior. Yet these people continue to troll me and others in public areas. Some of these people have been at this for years, have amassed hundreds of reports, yet nothing's done. Worse, some of them are proud of it, and have no problems letting the rest of us know they feel untouchable.

My question for ZOS is what is being done about reported harassment of this nature? I'm at the point I feel my reports (and other people's) are worthless, because these people suffer no consequences, and we're retaliated against for asking them politely to please stop their noxious behavior at the request of ZOS' reporting policies. Roleplay in this game has largely moved to private residences/private events held by roleplay guilds precisely because of this rampant, unaddressed harassment. It's to the point I'm rethinking whether I want to or not continue my subscription, and/or whether I want to continue investing time and money into this game if the GMs seem deaf to my concerns. I hesitated posting this out of concern for further retaliation in-game too.

I've played MMOs since the early 2000s. What I've learned both as a raider and a RPer is that, consistently, RPers are the community who plays MMOs long past raiders, casual players, most have moved on and content has dried up. RPers are the group who easily spend the most time and money on a game, whether that's for cosmetics, housing (hundreds of dollars!), mounts, or what have you. I don't understand why this player base seems so hostile to our presence when this is a MMORPG of a world that grew out of a tabletop campaign, but I understand even less why ZOS seems to not care at all when your average RPer is more likely to be subscribed to ESO Plus (those extra furnishings are practically a requirement to create immersive housing).

Yet I don't expect special treatment, I expect for the TOS to be followed so we can enjoy this game because we too are players, and we shouldn't be harassed because we choose to enjoy this game in this manner, which hurts no one and infringes upon no one else's ability to have fun.

EDIT: Thanks to feedback and because I don't want to merely complain, but also offer solutions, I propose the following changes:

1. A memento and/or or setting that prevents other players from affecting your character while outside of battle. World of Warcraft has a memento, Final Fantasy XIV makes it so characters are not taken out of emotes by other players when out of battle, and a setting for reducing effects game-wide. I propose a mixture of the two, a memento that allows us to disable effects/emoting on our characters, either temporarily (a set amount of hours) or permanently out of battle. I believe this is also an accessibility issue; I've developed migraines thanks to people spamming flashy, lingering effects in the darkened room of the tavern and elsewhere. Can't imagine how much worse it must be for those with more dangerous photo sensitivity issues, like epilepsy.
2. Follow through on reports, and create an environment where harassment isn't tolerated/allowed to fester. Frankly, if I'm expected to go through a lot of work to prove someone is harassing me and/or others (which I get, the burden of proof is on the accuser), BUT THEN nothing comes of it? It's insulting. I feel like I've wasted my time. It makes these people feel like they're untouchable. I think the reporting system needs to be overhauled, trimmed down so it's more precise. But at the very least, some sort of assurance this is taken seriously because at the moment the majority of RPers feel the GMs do not care, given the amount of people who've been reported and nothing's come of it, for years. It really is the same groups of trolls, many of whom I've reported repeatedly over the years.

Anti-harassment work isn't about changing the minds of trolls. It's about changing the environments that allow them to practice their harassment freely. With the two above proposals in place, I believe harassment will be significantly reduced, as you'd be taking away their preferred method of harassment, and make it too much of a hassle for them to find alternative methods to continue it.

Ratzkifal

This is a very common issue. Be aware that moving into player homes will also reduce the growth of your roleplaying circle as friendly roleplayers cannot come across you there. If you have a guild, make sure you are recruiting via the guild finder as well. My old roleplaying guild moved to a space that was only available during a specific part of a quest and otherwise inaccessible, so that anyone who would bother us would only have this opportunity once unless they are willing to also never complete that quest (which they wouldn't know they would have to do, as it's not immediately clear that we would meet up there regularly). Hope that helps.
Sadly you cannot expect help from ZOS. They've added these mementos, yet they never bothered to add a protected mode in all those years. Report them, file a ticket, at @ZOS_Kevin who may or may not answer. But manage your expectations.

ArchangelIsraphel

I've always found it strange that people have such a negative reaction to roleplayers. Seeing roleplayers in taverns has always made me smile. They always have the most interesting characters and the best costumes.

My reaction to running into roleplayers in taverns has always been to go into rp mode myself. Slow walk through, appreciate the ambiance the roleplayers provide, and generally behave as a part of the atmosphere.

I'm a roleplayer myself, though I am not a part of a group in this game, nor do I rp with others any more. I mostly enjoy ambling along through the game, thinking about my stories and pausing to jot down ideas.

But, even being perfectly silent and keeping to myself, I still get mudballed/skill spammed/random trolling now and then when I'm walking or riding slowly. I ignore it and eventually people get bored with my complete lack of reaction, but I really do wonder what it is in people that makes them need to try and bother those that are playing differently than they do.

I hope your cause gets the attention it deserves. In a game franchise made famous for its ability to cater to roleplay, things like what happen to you should not be happening.

ETA: I actually feel... really sad for people who bully roleplayers. It's like they've lost their imaginations somewhere along the road of life, and can't stand seeing that others still have theirs, so they try to destroy the imagination in others by being disruptive. They dont know how to create, so they resort to an attempt at destruction instead.

Vulkunne

The same sentiment that allows you to enjoy this game and this same thing these creatures will abuse to bring harm on you and your friends needlessly. Yet I tell you, its times like this when some good ol fashion PvP could take care of those folks and I would volunteer to help with taking out the garbage. Alas, PvP outside of certain areas is frowned upon as is the concept of a lawman bringing justice, apparently that's bad too for reasons, so if ZOS can't clean this up then maybe move on and make it more of private occasion.

I mean you shouldn't have to do that you shouldn't have to be ashamed of how you enjoy the game but your options are rather limited and as time goes on we seem to pick-up more and more players with no respect for other people. This trend began when they made the game playable without having to buy a subscription and has gotten noteably worse sense then. Zone chat for me is now turned off by default because there's so many childish folks on there who just generate chaos.

Ratzkifal

Vulkunne wrote: »

[...]This trend began when they made the game playable without having to buy a subscription and has gotten noteably worse sense then. [...]

This trend did not begin when they made the game playable without subscription. Look at WoW. That game has a subscription and people behave exactly like that too. But at least in WoW you can escape to RP only servers, which the players from the other servers look down on.
People have this weird tendency to hate things they can't understand. If someone does not enjoy RPing and cringes at the thought of it, then they are open to the idea of ridiculing the people who do. It only takes a few to start perpetuate these jokes until they become "cool" and suddenly you have the word "roleplayer" become a slur meant to demean people who are not as good at the game. In PvP specifically this is prevalent because the population cap makes it so that every "roleplayer" (read: quester) in Cyrodiil takes the spot of someone who would fight for their alliance, reducing the fighting strength.
With the outcome of campaigns having little to no meaning to most players anymore due to the constant neglect of PvP over the years the vitriol towards roleplayers in the PvP community has thankfully gone down. In fact, faction RP while PvPing was still a thing the last time I spent a lot of time in Cyrodiil. So at least on that front things have improved. Sadly ZOS has given tools to the annoying few that remain that allow them to be all the more effective in their harassment by throwing mudballs at roleplayers.

Vulkunne

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

[...]This trend began when they made the game playable without having to buy a subscription and has gotten noteably worse sense then. [...]

This trend did not begin when they made the game playable without subscription. Look at WoW. That game has a subscription and people behave exactly like that too. But at least in WoW you can escape to RP only servers, which the players from the other servers look down on.
People have this weird tendency to hate things they can't understand. If someone does not enjoy RPing and cringes at the thought of it, then they are open to the idea of ridiculing the people who do. It only takes a few to start perpetuate these jokes until they become "cool" and suddenly you have the word "roleplayer" become a slur meant to demean people who are not as good at the game. In PvP specifically this is prevalent because the population cap makes it so that every "roleplayer" (read: quester) in Cyrodiil takes the spot of someone who would fight for their alliance, reducing the fighting strength.
With the outcome of campaigns having little to no meaning to most players anymore due to the constant neglect of PvP over the years the vitriol towards roleplayers in the PvP community has thankfully gone down. In fact, faction RP while PvPing was still a thing the last time I spent a lot of time in Cyrodiil. So at least on that front things have improved. Sadly ZOS has given tools to the annoying few that remain that allow them to be all the more effective in their harassment by throwing mudballs at roleplayers.

That's fine yet I remember people getting along better before the sub was lifted. The reason for that was simple, players paid to come onboard and those who wanted to stay contributed something more $$$ vs people getting in for free and not umm maybe taking the game as seriously. I agree with everything else.

Ratzkifal

Vulkunne wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

[...]This trend began when they made the game playable without having to buy a subscription and has gotten noteably worse sense then. [...]

This trend did not begin when they made the game playable without subscription. Look at WoW. That game has a subscription and people behave exactly like that too. But at least in WoW you can escape to RP only servers, which the players from the other servers look down on.
People have this weird tendency to hate things they can't understand. If someone does not enjoy RPing and cringes at the thought of it, then they are open to the idea of ridiculing the people who do. It only takes a few to start perpetuate these jokes until they become "cool" and suddenly you have the word "roleplayer" become a slur meant to demean people who are not as good at the game. In PvP specifically this is prevalent because the population cap makes it so that every "roleplayer" (read: quester) in Cyrodiil takes the spot of someone who would fight for their alliance, reducing the fighting strength.
With the outcome of campaigns having little to no meaning to most players anymore due to the constant neglect of PvP over the years the vitriol towards roleplayers in the PvP community has thankfully gone down. In fact, faction RP while PvPing was still a thing the last time I spent a lot of time in Cyrodiil. So at least on that front things have improved. Sadly ZOS has given tools to the annoying few that remain that allow them to be all the more effective in their harassment by throwing mudballs at roleplayers.

That's fine yet I remember people getting along better before the sub was lifted. The reason for that was simple, players paid to come onboard and those who wanted to stay contributed something more $$$ vs people getting in for free and not umm maybe taking the game as seriously. I agree with everything else.

Counter example: Nobody is patting people who ride crown crate mounts on the back even though they arguably contributed more than anyone else. You remember people getting along better before the sub was lifted because the game was newer, everybody was still learning and the meta wasn't yet discovered. It was more casual on all fronts and that made it more welcoming. That has nothing to do with the way the game was obtained and why would it? Are people who have more money to spend more friendly than people who don't? No. And not to mention that nobody got into this game "for free". You still have to pay for this game to get in. People who made accounts during free trial periods cannot play while there is no free trial period going on (although it is cool that you can keep all your progress from one free trial to the next).

But we are getting a bit off topic now. Roleplay is being disturbed, ZOS should add a setting to protect yourself against mementos from other players. That's basic quality of life stuff. Even WoW has an item that disables such items from other players on you for 2 hours.

Vulkunne

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

Ratzkifal wrote: »

Vulkunne wrote: »

[...]This trend began when they made the game playable without having to buy a subscription and has gotten noteably worse sense then. [...]

This trend did not begin when they made the game playable without subscription. Look at WoW. That game has a subscription and people behave exactly like that too. But at least in WoW you can escape to RP only servers, which the players from the other servers look down on.
People have this weird tendency to hate things they can't understand. If someone does not enjoy RPing and cringes at the thought of it, then they are open to the idea of ridiculing the people who do. It only takes a few to start perpetuate these jokes until they become "cool" and suddenly you have the word "roleplayer" become a slur meant to demean people who are not as good at the game. In PvP specifically this is prevalent because the population cap makes it so that every "roleplayer" (read: quester) in Cyrodiil takes the spot of someone who would fight for their alliance, reducing the fighting strength.
With the outcome of campaigns having little to no meaning to most players anymore due to the constant neglect of PvP over the years the vitriol towards roleplayers in the PvP community has thankfully gone down. In fact, faction RP while PvPing was still a thing the last time I spent a lot of time in Cyrodiil. So at least on that front things have improved. Sadly ZOS has given tools to the annoying few that remain that allow them to be all the more effective in their harassment by throwing mudballs at roleplayers.

That's fine yet I remember people getting along better before the sub was lifted. The reason for that was simple, players paid to come onboard and those who wanted to stay contributed something more $$$ vs people getting in for free and not umm maybe taking the game as seriously. I agree with everything else.

Counter example: Nobody is patting people who ride crown crate mounts on the back even though they arguably contributed more than anyone else. You remember people getting along better before the sub was lifted because the game was newer, everybody was still learning and the meta wasn't yet discovered. It was more casual on all fronts and that made it more welcoming. That has nothing to do with the way the game was obtained and why would it? Are people who have more money to spend more friendly than people who don't? No. And not to mention that nobody got into this game "for free". You still have to pay for this game to get in. People who made accounts during free trial periods cannot play while there is no free trial period going on (although it is cool that you can keep all your progress from one free trial to the next).

But we are getting a bit off topic now. Roleplay is being disturbed, ZOS should add a setting to protect yourself against mementos from other players. That's basic quality of life stuff. Even WoW has an item that disables such items from other players on you for 2 hours.

Well I mean again, that's fine but people are not going to spend money about something they don't care about. Especially those who've spent more (in various ways, like you said) so they're not going to do something stupid (maybe?) that may get their accounts banned.

But anyways, I know with Necrom and Arcanist stuff going on the devs are probably going to be crazy busy for next few months but I sincerely hope they can do something to help these people.

SickleCider

There's just a lot of hostility going around. I'm not a roleplayer, but I care about aesthetics. Last night I was at the Rimmen outfit station, because it's reasonably well lit and I can immediately compare my outfit to my mount. Usually people are chill, but then there's people like the really aggressive healer that jumped around me in circles and spammed abilities every time I approached the station. I ignored them and played on my phone until they stopped, but I don't feel like I should have to do that.

Haenk

Talking about mudballing - I had another player harrassing me with mudballs, for like an hour.
So - why isn't there an option to disable these unwanted "interactions" from other players?
(Other than blatant cheating - i.e. running on macro etc. - I don't think that's on a reportable level of actions. It's just annoying.)

rpa

Well, assuming it's not at Skywatch during the New Life event tell them "Please stop throwing mudballs at me, thank you." If they do not comply it might be against TOS and reportable as harassment.
(If you have parked your bear on some interactable thing or do snag treasures or resources while the mudballer is obviously clearing mobs around or otherwise are a *** to them or loiter and repeatedly use irritating mememtos or emotes, you just might deserve some mudballs IMO. Not hour worth of course...)

Wuduwasa13

SickleCider wrote: »

There's just a lot of hostility going around. I'm not a roleplayer, but I care about aesthetics. Last night I was at the Rimmen outfit station, because it's reasonably well lit and I can immediately compare my outfit to my mount. Usually people are chill, but then there's people like the really aggressive healer that jumped around me in circles and spammed abilities every time I approached the station. I ignored them and played on my phone until they stopped, but I don't feel like I should have to do that.

It’s a ‘public’ space, so you should feel that anything is possible & you choose how to respond. The easy answer to your ire is to use an outfit station at a private residence where access is limited.

Snamyap

ArchangelIsraphel wrote: »

I've always found it strange that people have such a negative reaction to roleplayers.

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ETA: I actually feel... really sad for people who bully roleplayers. It's like they've lost their imaginations somewhere along the road of life, and can't stand seeing that others still have theirs, so they try to destroy the imagination in others by being disruptive. They dont know how to create, so they resort to an attempt at destruction instead.

Quite a lot of people have zero tolerance for everyone and everything that doesn't follow their rules, their vision on how things should be. From little things like pestering roleplayers to draconic punishments for LGBTQ practices. It's a sad, sad thing.

WaywardArgonian

Haenk wrote: »

Talking about mudballing - I had another player harrassing me with mudballs, for like an hour.
So - why isn't there an option to disable these unwanted "interactions" from other players?
(Other than blatant cheating - i.e. running on macro etc. - I don't think that's on a reportable level of actions. It's just annoying.)

I know of at least one instance a few years ago where someone got a temp ban for following players around throwing mudballs after numerous requests to stop, so there seem to at least be some cases where these interactions are seen as griefing by ZOS support.

HerrKeinTipp_MrNoTip

God I hate going into this tavern just to play the game. So much noise.

Ragnarok0130

There are two sides to this story, the people trolling you were likely as put out with your group flooding zone chat with your Tolstoy length RP dialogs preventing it from being used as zone chat as you were put off about the mudballs and emotes intruding upon your RP event.

I think an RP instance/server/zone would likely be the best way for ZoS to keep RPers away from the griefing and keep the rest of zone chat free of RP clutter.

TaSheen

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

There are two sides to this story, the people trolling you were likely as put out with your group flooding zone chat with your Tolstoy length RP dialogs preventing it from being used as zone chat as you were put off about the mudballs and emotes intruding upon your RP event.

I think an RP instance/server/zone would likely be the best way for ZoS to keep RPers away from the griefing and keep the rest of zone chat free of RP clutter.

The RPers I've run across in this game so far have always used a separate chat pane, not zone chat.

KlauthWarthog

TaSheen wrote: »

The RPers I've run across in this game so far have always used a separate chat pane, not zone chat.

Yup, whenever I stumble upon a group RPing, they are using either /say or /emote, both of which have a very short range.

NotaDaedraWorshipper

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

There are two sides to this story, the people trolling you were likely as put out with your group flooding zone chat with your Tolstoy length RP dialogs preventing it from being used as zone chat as you were put off about the mudballs and emotes intruding upon your RP event.

I think an RP instance/server/zone would likely be the best way for ZoS to keep RPers away from the griefing and keep the rest of zone chat free of RP clutter.

No roleplayer uses zone. It's either say/emote or using group chats. Which they can easily remove from their chat and enjoy their zone chat in peace. Roleplayers can't avoid trolling people at all. There's no box to tick off to make them and their mementos/abilities etc invisible.

There's almost never two sides of the story when it comes to trolling roleplayers. Just harassers and victims.

virtus753

rpa wrote: »

Well, assuming it's not at Skywatch during the New Life event tell them "Please stop throwing mudballs at me, thank you." If they do not comply it might be against TOS and reportable as harassment.

It is explicitly reportable if they don't stop after you tell them to:

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7160034/#Comment_7160034

It doesn't matter if there's an event going on. There are plenty of NPCs (and willing players) in Skywatch to mudball instead.

Stefirex

Ragnarok0130 wrote: »

There are two sides to this story, the people trolling you were likely as put out with your group flooding zone chat with your Tolstoy length RP dialogs preventing it from being used as zone chat as you were put off about the mudballs and emotes intruding upon your RP event.

I think an RP instance/server/zone would likely be the best way for ZoS to keep RPers away from the griefing and keep the rest of zone chat free of RP clutter.

The flaw in this logic is that most RP I've noticed uses the /say or /shout channels and not zone chat at all. As with all chat channels, every user has the ability to disable unwanted chats in the chat window settings and can thus walk through a tavern full of /say's and see nothing at all.

BlueRaven

That is really awful. I am not in an RP guild but I really respect those players. (And not only because they seem to be able to type so quickly.)
There has to be a way to report those players.

Batgirl32

What's extra interesting, is that simply by playing a character based game we are all RPing to a degree. So it's hard to imagine why the trolls attack those who blend more RP into their game. I'm not an RPer and I do enjoy running into it in game while questing or wandering around. Same as others, I usually just watch for a few moments then move on. Adding that level of story and character to the development of the game is something that should be celebrated.

SickleCider

Wuduwasa13 wrote: »

SickleCider wrote: »

There's just a lot of hostility going around. I'm not a roleplayer, but I care about aesthetics. Last night I was at the Rimmen outfit station, because it's reasonably well lit and I can immediately compare my outfit to my mount. Usually people are chill, but then there's people like the really aggressive healer that jumped around me in circles and spammed abilities every time I approached the station. I ignored them and played on my phone until they stopped, but I don't feel like I should have to do that.

It’s a ‘public’ space, so you should feel that anything is possible & you choose how to respond. The easy answer to your ire is to use an outfit station at a private residence where access is limited.

I don't know what part of "I played on my phone until they got bored and left" strikes you as a reaction warranting a lecture.

Carcamongus

Why do trolls pester RPers? The short answer is: because they can. They might be playing an RPG, but I think their mentality is tied to other games where being toxic is more accepted. A way out would be to create some public areas where mementos are disabled and making sure trolling will have consequences. Oh, and I'm not talking about moving RP to Cyrodiil.

Serpari

Carcamongus wrote: »

Why do trolls pester RPers? The short answer is: because they can. They might be playing an RPG, but I think their mentality is tied to other games where being toxic is more accepted. A way out would be to create some public areas where mementos are disabled and making sure trolling will have consequences. Oh, and I'm not talking about moving RP to Cyrodiil.

As a mental health professional, I could give you a thousand reasons as to why trolls act this way. But even the best of reasons don't absolve someone from the consequences of their behavior. Frankly, I don't particularly care why they do it, especially not when they've been at for it years, and they've been told repeatedly to stop by multiple people.

Case in point, I log into Evermore soon after the posting of this comment and what happens as soon as I try to repair my gear inside the tavern? Mudballed by the same group of trolls as always. I've sent tons of video evidence of these people being disruptive to ZOS. What else do I need to do so these people suffer some consequences for their disruptive behavior? Either give me the tools so I can put a stop to this on my end, or ZOS should stop it themelves by enforcing the TOS.

I think it's a sad state of affairs that everyone's standing outside of the tavern at the moment because there's trolls inside spamming their mementos and abilities so no one can use the tavern at all, not even people trying to turn in quests. Again, I wasn't even RPing, but trying to repair my gear, and I've seen others clearly trying to do non-RP things like level Legerdemain getting animation cancelled for no reason other than to troll.

Carcamongus

Serpari wrote: »

Carcamongus wrote: »

Why do trolls pester RPers? The short answer is: because they can. They might be playing an RPG, but I think their mentality is tied to other games where being toxic is more accepted. A way out would be to create some public areas where mementos are disabled and making sure trolling will have consequences. Oh, and I'm not talking about moving RP to Cyrodiil.

As a mental health professional, I could give you a thousand reasons as to why trolls act this way. But even the best of reasons don't absolve someone from the consequences of their behavior. Frankly, I don't particularly care why they do it, especially not when they've been at for it years, and they've been told repeatedly to stop by multiple people.

Case in point, I log into Evermore soon after the posting of this comment and what happens as soon as I try to repair my gear inside the tavern? Mudballed by the same group of trolls as always. I've sent tons of video evidence of these people being disruptive to ZOS. What else do I need to do so these people suffer some consequences for their disruptive behavior? Either give me the tools so I can put a stop to this on my end, or ZOS should stop it themelves by enforcing the TOS.

I think it's a sad state of affairs that everyone's standing outside of the tavern at the moment because there's trolls inside spamming their mementos and abilities so no one can use the tavern at all, not even people trying to turn in quests. Again, I wasn't even RPing, but trying to repair my gear, and I've seen others clearly trying to do non-RP things like level Legerdemain getting animation cancelled for no reason other than to troll.

I agree, the best of reasons aren't an excuse. Explanation isn't the same as justification, after all.

Every now and then I go to the Evermore inn to see if anything's happening and on a few occasions I just sat there in silence, watching other people. Fortunately, I didn't see any mudballers. I also noticed groups outside the building and wondered why they were there. Now, thanks to your post, I know and it's just sad. You'd think RolePlayers would get some better care in an RPG.

MafiaCat115

I would love for there to be an option to opt out of other's emotes. Then the trolls would lose one of their main weapons against roleplayers

DaveMoeDee

MafiaCat115 wrote: »

I would love for there to be an option to opt out of other's emotes. Then the trolls would lose one of their main weapons against roleplayers

Seems like an easy and obvious solution. I don't RP, but I have zero interest in mudballs ever.

As far as chat goes, we all have to suffer trolls in chat. The more you use a public chat, the more you will come across them. A guild chat would allow a larger group with some privacy.

ZOS_Volpe

Greetings,

Due to there already being a thread opened on this subject, we are going to close this down so that you may continue the discussion here. Please note, that we take reports of harassment, hate speech, and inappropriate behavior very seriously and ask that you report any incident by following these steps or by submitting a support ticket at https://help.elderscrollsonline.com

Thank you for understanding.