I finally have 3 nord tanks. If they mess with my resistance, so help me...

Imagine if they did another major racial balance pass while clown store gifting was still disabled.

Races literally only effects the 1% of the game. Picking a race will not change anything major for you. I have high elf stamina tanks/dps that are amazing and nord magicka builds that are powerful. Races are fine as is and do not need to be touch. The race is a flavor thing at the end of the day and your performance in game truly depends on your individual skill and knowledge, not because you picked fhe ideal build.

Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »

Races literally only effects the 1% of the game. Picking a race will not change anything major for you. I have high elf stamina tanks/dps that are amazing and nord magicka builds that are powerful. Races are fine as is and do not need to be touch. The race is a flavor thing at the end of the day and your performance in game truly depends on your individual skill and knowledge, not because you picked fhe ideal build.

By this logic they should fire their entire combat team, beacause their work only effect a small fraction of the community. Which is not as small an you think it is.

I like the item set hybridization changes as has been implemented into the game, the racial passives hybridization produces too many issues, only makes sense on some of the races.

The item set changes I think are good, and enhance builds that are non-meta/play as you want/creative/fun, effectively reducing the gap between them, and the meta/near-meta builds. Overall the set hybridization feels really good to me as it grants more build effectiveness options.

As for racial passives I think small to moderate adjustment to bring them back into accord with Elder Scrolls lore is the optimal path forward.

Redguard should of course be the most efficient, and powerful when using melee weapons. Bosmer should have some sneak, and probably bow bonus.

Some adjustments I think would make more sense

Altmer: Remove weapon damage, the rest is good.

Bosmer: Increase physical penetration (pick a number) and remove spell penetration. Restore stealth bonus.

Khajiit: Restore some critical damage chance, maybe a mix of critical damage and chance values would need to be tested. Lunar Blessings passive increases stamina more than other attributes reduce magicka, and heath bonus.

Breton: Add 128 spell damage

Redguard: Add 258 Weapon Damage

Orc: Remove spell damage. Increase heath, and stamina (pick a number).

Argonian: Add physical, and spell resistance (pick a number).

Dunmer: Reduce Max Stamina, and Magicka (pick a number).

Nord: Add 128 Weapon Damage

Imperial: Add 1000 Max Magicka, (think of the Nibenese).

I like the idea of racial passives being more non-combat oriented instead. Here are some ideas:

Argonian

• Increases your experience gain with the Restoration Staff skill line by 15%
• +100% swim speed
• +5% chance to gain double the yield from Alchemical plant resource nodes*
• Whenever you use a potion or poison you have a 5% chance to not consume it

Breton

• Increases your experience gain with the Light Armor skill line by 15%
• Immune to traps and 50% resistence to environmental damage
• +5% chance to gain double the yield from Clothing resource nodes*
• +5% chance to create an extra provision and potion

Dunmer

• Increases your experience gain with the Dual Wield skill line by 15%
• -10% cost for Wayshrine usage
• +5% chance to find a second furnishing plan whenever you find a furnishing plan
• +5% chance to gain increased quality items when looting stolen items. +25% value for fenced items.

Altmer

• Increases your experience gain with the Destruction Staff skill line by 15%
• Your Weapon Enchants decay 50% slower and your armor takes 50% less durability damage
• +5% chance to gain double the yield from Runestone and Wood resource nodes*
• Whenever you consume a provision you have a 5% chance to not consume it

Imperial

• Increases your experience gain with the Alliance War skill line by 15%
• +5% gold selling to merchants
• +5% chance to gain double the yield from Heavy Sack resource nodes
• +5% Alliance Point drop bonus

Khajiit

• Increases your experience gain with the Medium Armor skill line by 15%
• +10% increased success chance at pickpocketing and forcing locks
• +5% chance to double the yield while Fishing
• +5% chance to gain increased quality items from treasure chests

Nord

• Increases your experience gain with the Two Handed skill line by 15%
• +10 minutes to food and drink provisions
• +5% chance to recieve Monster Trophies and double drops on Epic quality Treasures
• +5% gold dropped from enemies

Orc

• Increases your experience gain with the Heavy Armor skill line by 15%
• -25% cost to repair armor and whenever you consume a repair kit you have a 50% chance to not consume it
• +5% chance to gain double the yield from Ore resource nodes*
• +5% chance for 1 material to be returned when improving an item at a Blacksmith, Clothing, or Woodworking station

Redguard

• Increases your experience gain with the One Hand and Shield skill line by 15%
• After winning a duel, gain Major Expedition and Major Gallop for 10 minutes
• Decrease the time it takes for a fish to bite by 10%
• +5% chance to increase the yield from Woodworking, Blacksmithing, and Clothing crafting materials when deconstructing

Bosmer

• Increases your experience gain with the Bow skill line by 15%
• -10% fall damage and -10% sneak cost when out of combat
• +5% chance to gain double the yield when collecting Hide resources
• +5% chance to add 5 minutes to your active provision after leaving combat and having killed an enemy

*Note: all of the resource node buffs includes furnishing materials from their respective nodes

Ingenon wrote: »

I'm fine with the balance as it is. Recently I made a new character, went looking for a PvE DPS build, and found this.

It says "ANY race can be FINE for DPS on all modes"

Amottica wrote: »

Surpised that the poll is very close.

But no. The same number, and probably the same people, would still think things need to change. They cannot make everyone happy so they should not even pretend to try. It is pretty good as it is and meets the goal they were looking for.

I think the reason the poll is close is that you have at least half the people already using the meta races and they don't want ZOS to upset them having the best race.

Twohothardware wrote: »

Amottica wrote: »

Surpised that the poll is very close.

But no. The same number, and probably the same people, would still think things need to change. They cannot make everyone happy so they should not even pretend to try. It is pretty good as it is and meets the goal they were looking for.

I think the reason the poll is close is that you have at least half the people already using the meta races and they don't want ZOS to upset them having the best race.

Maybe the case but a guess nonetheless. There is nothing to suggest this is the case.

Edit

I see the first response to the suggestion at least half the people already use meta races and do not want that disturbed shows it is not really the case. @Ingenon notes they have a very different reason for wanting change. Myself, I have redguard which I understand is not meta and still voted no.

Redguards need one more than any other race.

Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »

Auzsi wrote: »

Jarl_Ironheart wrote: »

Races literally only effects the 1% of the game. Picking a race will not change anything major for you. I have high elf stamina tanks/dps that are amazing and nord magicka builds that are powerful. Races are fine as is and do not need to be touch. The race is a flavor thing at the end of the day and your performance in game truly depends on your individual skill and knowledge, not because you picked fhe ideal build.

By this logic they should fire their entire combat team, beacause their work only effect a small fraction of the community. Which is not as small an you think it is.

What? How does my comment give off that same logic? And combat is a big part of eso, how is it small? Your reply makes no sense to me

@Jarl_Ironheart

The first sentence of your post they replied to specifically states that "Races literally only effects the 1% of the game." So their reply makes sense against that backdrop that suggests race change will not make a major change to them. Those that min/max do take this seriously. A lot of players that are far from that 1% still min/max. While they get less benefit as math is math, they do still benefit.

In a manner of speaking, you do seem to make a good point in that the choice of race has a small effect. Before the pass on passives Zenimax made awhile back there was starker lines between the races. Their intent was to permit the choice of multiple races for builds and they did exactly that.

Ofc, that does not mean several races will be just as good for stam or mag builds and that will never be the case. That is why there is no need for another pass on the race passives.

Amottica wrote: »

Surpised that the poll is very close.

But no. The same number, and probably the same people, would still think things need to change. They cannot make everyone happy so they should not even pretend to try. It is pretty good as it is and meets the goal they were looking for.

Players with dunmer or altmer as their favourites and players who wants them to be removed instead covers a large part of those who voted no.

Auldwulfe wrote: »

I would want it to be very subtle....with the exception of those races that get that 258 Weapon/Spell bonus
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Right now, if an Orc sorc faced off with an identical Breton Sorc.... that Breton would be dead with some magicka left over - because that Orc will hit harder EVERY time.... and the Breton having extra magicka does not make up for it, in time.

Same as if a Redguard, the Renowned masters of combat, faced off with a High Elf, known for their heavy reliance on magic, in a one on one duel using weapon skills only... in the end, that high elf will hit harder on EVERY hit, and will overwhelm the Redguard before that extra stamina makes ANY difference.

I believe that the Breton SHOULD get the faster magicka recovery, and that the Redguard SHOULD get better stamina recovery.... maybe flesh those out better.... Orcs should get better Health Recovery, and maybe a stamina recovery that isn't as high a the Redguard, but reliable......However, as others have noted, handing out damage bonuses that are equivelent to wearing a 5 piece, set is NOT helping the game balance, and grow....

Right now, an Orc wearing oakensoul, and doing heavy staff attacks, with all his points in Stamina is a far better sorcerer than a Breton focused in magic.

Auldwulfe

Your post is making me dream of a world where I can choose to use a more expensive ability in exchange for more damage per cast, instead of everything being standardized at the same cost per cast level (which is so low that building for sustain/resources is nonviable).

Racial pick matters to average players trying to clear the most challenging DLC achievements, even if they aren’t aware.

Whenever an average PVE group is pushing for a trifecta clear in a trial, the clear time is never super fast like 12 minutes, it’s more like 27 minutes out of 30. I know because my first trifecta clears were in the 25-30 minute range. I still played Bosmer out of preference, and I was pulling more than enough weight. But everyone else was on their Dunmer/High elf. I think if they all went with Bosmer/Redguard/Nord mages we would have been 1.5 minutes slower, ~5% less dps over 28 minutes. And there would have been a much smaller chance of getting the trifecta.

The group that can truly pick any race and play how they want with no concern over getting achievements is the top scoring finishers. They could all run Breton stamina wardens if they wished and get a 13 minute clear instead of 12 minutes