From a pure RPG aspect I can understand where this is coming from, but on the other hand it does not bother me;

I do know about Hermaeus Mora, but I also do want to know everything about him, so I ll gladly listen to what a NCP has to say about this.

The first time I do quests in a zone, I click on all dialogue, even if it is something I allready know, or repeat of past actions.

Don't forget ESO is the only fully voiced over MMO!

Aelorin wrote: »

From a pure RPG aspect I can understand where this is coming from, but on the other hand it does not bother me;

I do know about Hermaeus Mora, but I also do want to know everything about him, so I ll gladly listen to what a NCP has to say about this.

The first time I do quests in a zone, I click on all dialogue, even if it is something I allready know, or repeat of past actions.

Don't forget ESO is the only fully voiced over MMO!

i agree there but voiced or not - it has not be dumb as hell and redundant sometimes ...

like you remember that akaviri city in northern elsweyr where the assassin introduces himself as an assassin to a stranger ... well well - and tries afterwards to hide the fact that is props going to kill someone - comon

ESO can be pretty weird sometimes. You have a universe where there are vampires, werewolves, dragons, daedra constantly interfering in the lives of mortals every day with organizations tasked to fight them and an npc is skeptical of daedric prince involvement in something that clearly isn’t natural? Doubts and dismissals of a Wilderking when there are things and beings way more powerful and extraordinary? You can’t have a world where the extraordinary exists and is literally part of the everyday lives of the people that live there and constantly have them skeptical of it at the same time. ESO wants to have its cake and eat it too.

Funniest dialogue so far, at Kemel-Ze:

Lady_Sleepless wrote: »

Completely agree. My main issue with the newest chapter was Leramil seemed to always repeat whatever Hermaeus Mora said or recap everything we just did. It really ruined her character and to be honest except for the weird forced love story it felt like she never had to be present. Like if she were cut from the story I don't think it would have made much difference. I think between the rest of the cast they kind of had everything rounded up and wouldn't have needed her.
The main character shouldn't need some one to hold their hand through the story I can think for myself and find my way just fine. Otherwise I enjoyed Necrom. Meln was a delight.

So she's like Eveli in Blackwood? Who is a complete waste of polygons and data there.

Syldras wrote: »

Funniest dialogue so far, at Kemel-Ze:

NPC: Greetings, Saviour of Clockwork City!
PC: What's Clockwork City?
NPC: I'm sure you'll never get there!



That's almost Oblivion quality nonsensical.

At least Sotha Sil's monologues there were okay.

Although, calling him a returning character in the Necrom announcement stream wasn't quite correct. It's only a light projection sourced by a memory device, after all.

Then again, it's great to know that Lord Seht also invented the chatbot.

That dialogue works well if you're roleplaying as Captain Oblivious.

NotaDaedraWorshipper wrote: »

Lady_Sleepless wrote: »

Completely agree. My main issue with the newest chapter was Leramil seemed to always repeat whatever Hermaeus Mora said or recap everything we just did. It really ruined her character and to be honest except for the weird forced love story it felt like she never had to be present. Like if she were cut from the story I don't think it would have made much difference. I think between the rest of the cast they kind of had everything rounded up and wouldn't have needed her.
The main character shouldn't need some one to hold their hand through the story I can think for myself and find my way just fine. Otherwise I enjoyed Necrom. Meln was a delight.

So she's like Eveli in Blackwood? Who is a complete waste of polygons and data there.

Eveli's one of my favourite characters. Yes, she was overfond of [re]stating the obvious in the Blackwood chapter, but she's friendly (very), attractive, and overall I like her personality.

vsrs_au wrote: »

Eveli's one of my favourite characters. Yes, she was overfond of [re]stating the obvious in the Blackwood chapter, but she's friendly (very), attractive, and overall I like her personality.

Pigtails, bland doll face, cutesy talking, high-pitched voice... I can't stand her.

Syldras wrote: »

vsrs_au wrote: »

Eveli's one of my favourite characters. Yes, she was overfond of [re]stating the obvious in the Blackwood chapter, but she's friendly (very), attractive, and overall I like her personality.

Pigtails, bland doll face, cutesy talking, high-pitched voice... I can't stand her.

- I like the pigtails (and also the large elven eyes)
- the face is typical bosmer, so does that make all bosmer bland doll figures?
- the high pitched voice is just 1 variant of a female voice, so any irritation is purely in the listener's mindset
- as for the cockney accent, well that's a byproduct of the game's general approach to all the race's accents: they all seem to use their own accents, reachfolk sound Scottish (to me, anyway), nords have an exaggerated version of a Scandivanian accent, etc.

But each to their own

I'm starting to wonder if there's any quest that's not more or less obvious this chapter? I only play 1-3 quests each evening due to lack of time at the moment, but it's basically always the same problem: If you follow the dialogues and read the lorebooks attentively, it's obvious what the whole thing is about - but you still have to pretend you have no clue or that the upcoming events were a surprise.

Like the quest in Sailenmora I played this evening, where one lorebook in the Baandari camp nearby already explains everything, even if you haven't progressed the quest at all.

Or one early part of the main quest where you have to wonder about an "unknown artifact" via dialogue, although a lorebook nearby already explained the artifact in detail...

Okay, the Tel Dreloth quest wasn't that obvious, except for if you know Nathaniel Hawthorne's "Rappacini's Daughter" It was well-written and entertaining though, so I won't complain.

Even the romance part of that quest was okay - in contrast to that extremely dumb NPC "flirting" in Sailenmora. If romance has to be randomly slapped into quests, could they at least write it less stupidly?! Same goes for the main quest, btw; I have to admit, I'm not yet that far into that quest line, but what I've seen so far, didn't seem convincing... What makes them appeal to each other anyway?! Their shared interest in fancy hairstyles?!

Vestige:






I'd like to see more comments and less questions. Some sarcasm, aggression, impatience...


"Just tell me what needs doing..."
"You talk too much..."
"I don't care. Just tell me who needs killing."

NPC is giving a quest to kill some Daedra;

Dialogue choice #1. "I've fought many of them during the Planemeld. They won't be a problem for much longer."
Dialogue choice #2. "I like to fight fire with fire." (Sorcerer)

Or certain dialogue based on previous actions of the player.

"I've killed more Daedra than you've drawn breaths."
"I've fought mud crabs more fearsome than you!"

Why can't the NPC ask some pointless questions for once? Then we could have a plethora of
responses that suit the character we're playing.

More use of the Persuasion/Intimidation passives and unique dialogue for different races or if the
player is a member of the Mage's or Fighter's guild.

I was doing an Ember companion quest the other night on my Dunmer and there was some
unique and interesting dialogue concerning Telvanni/Slavery and if therefore she'd like to continue
travelling with me. I thought that was pretty cool. We need more of that.

Elsonso wrote: »

What was annoying in Blackwood was the incessant huddles that we had to do. It is like the writing team was directed to add "checkpoints" to meet some quota imposed upon them.

While we’re on that topic, I would like to complain that my character who completed the Dark Brotherhood questline was required to blab that she was a Dark Brotherhood assassin and then get scolded for it by Eveli. Added bonus that I’m not allowed to call Eveli out for her attachment to the Mysterium Xarxes!

Nestor wrote: »

With the advent of voice acting all lines of dialog, it gets real expensive real fast to give us these options.

But that being the case, they could cut out the constant parroting back of stuff we should already know and save a lot of money.

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

With the advent of voice acting all lines of dialog, it gets real expensive real fast to give us these options.

But that being the case, they could cut out the constant parroting back of stuff we should already know and save a lot of money.

"Who is {daedric prince/deity/god}" is a question that is probably going to be answered by whatever is coming next. If not, it ain't important. Besides, I am sure there is a book out on the subject already. Probably about 20 feet to the left.

These things are for the new players, and I say make them sit down and read the lore of they want the basics. I suggest that new players are basically unsure of which dialog entry will start the quest, so they click on everything, then Goodbye. As long as the marker or the circle shows up nearby, or on their map, they are content and happy. If asked what they just heard/read, they would simply stare with a "what are you talking about?" expression.

Treselegant wrote: »

I don't understand the need the writers seem to have to shoehorn a romantic connection between side characters in to the main plots of the last few years. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but it seemed to start with Greymoor. Is it some sort of bone thrown to those who say they enjoy romance in the game? Or is just part of this 'style' of writing? If it's an attempt to court those who like romance then it misunderstands a great deal. You can't force emotional connection to your characters this way. It feels like, well, low effort 'shipping' at times.

I see this as just one of the things they are doing to give the characters more depth. In their drive to be pithy, writers can "dehumanize" the characters and make them wooden or cardboard cutouts.

Treselegant wrote: »

A lot of these characters have been quite flat in recent years so it's difficult to care about their romantic lives. A lot of the time it's just not really necessary and it doesn't add depth to the plot or the characters. These are one-dimensional feeling characters that exist to drive the plot forward and their romances just dont feel real. The flatness plus the romantic plots contribute to the 'fan-fictiony' impression I get.

That's exactly what bothers me: It's all so shallowly/badly written that it's just not convincing. It doesn't improve anything, it doesn't really give more credibility to the characters, it doesn't add to the plot or the atmosphere. How could it! What I've seen in Necrom's main quest so far was basically this coming out of nowhere (spoiler-free!):

Girl: Oh, I like that guy.
Guy: Oh, I like that girl.
Ghost of a dead Telvanni Magister who comments on everything: Oh, they seem to like eachother, hehe.

There's no context, no depth, nothing specific that makes it believable or interesting. Not sure if it's just my translation (as I'm not playing the English version), but "Guy" doesn't even come across as smart (the opposite, his words seem rather simple, even for his age and especially for his profession), so I have no clue what reason "Girl" would have to find him fascinating. They're not on the same level, not even close.

I'm fine with 1 or 2 quests per chapter that focus on a pair of lovers and some obstacle that has to be overcome as the quest objective (I mean, why not?! We're helping people with all kinds of things, whether mundane or completely weird). But random romance and flirting, unrelated to the story itself? Unnecessary.

Also, why has it always to be romance? People/NPCs can be characterized by so many things, e.g. religious or political views, interests, even weird hobbies (btw, why is Revus not in this chapter? Or Divayth? ZOS had characters returning at the most unfitting places, but now we have a chapter in Telvanni lands where having two of the most noted Telvanni NPCs returning would actually make sense, there's no sign of them).