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You Nerfed vamp because few people cried about combat tactics?
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No, they nerfed it because it was broken. Vamps are no longer OP.felixgamingx1 wrote: »You Nerfed vamp because few people cried about combat tactics?
I also suspect some of this reaction is that Vamps know the price of a bite will now plummet as Vamp is no longer a 'must have' for those that wanted to abuse it.
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ThreeEyedCrow✭✭✭im.ferociousub17_ESO wrote: »Well said Nef. What they should nerf is the ultimate reduction in sorc and dk instead of Vamp.
There is not ultimate reduction in DKV12 Corporal
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ThreeEyedCrow✭✭✭Seabhacgra wrote: »Put quite simply,. PvP is being prioritized over PvE once more.. anytime an MMO balances too much for one, it hurts the other.. this is what's happened here. If you're going to nerf the vamp then FIX the bugs in their passives FIRST,.. it's called balancing. Now the game is balanced for PvP ,.. I like PvP ok, but I'm not here to PvP,. so like many others I will likely allow my subscription to expire and close the book on another in a long line of sad attempts to make a quality game.
I agree with your overall point but I will say they didn't have to nerf pve at all for pvp.
There already are some skills that work different in both (werewolf Fear) so they could have made the Passive work one way in PVP and another in PVE. Unless there was some weird coding issue to that but it wouldnt seem so...
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Zoar✭Everyone can easily become a Vampire. After two maybe three months, 90% of the players would be a vampire. This is not a good future. I warmly welcome the new patch 1.0.7.Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much. Oscar Wilde1 -
WitchAngel wrote: »It seems like the OP is complaining about having to fight on equal terms:
Your vampire is fine, you just have to figure out how to fight people on equal terms.felixgamingx1 wrote: »Vamps and WW are supernatural beings they are supposed to have an edge.... Thanks a lot for ruining my vamp
THIS: now Zenimax should consider to nerf negatives of being a vampire as well.
75% less regen and 50% fire taken for.. what exactly?.
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bugulu✭✭✭felixgamingx1 wrote: »
Vamps and WW are supernatural beings they are supposed to have an edge.... Thanks a lot for ruining my vamp
You want to play it that way? Fine.
Vampires are also vulnerable to sunlight and will burst to flames as soon as they walk outside during the day. Want that implemented aswell?
Edited by bugulu on May 6, 2014 7:52AM3 -
Darkro✭✭✭OP, they nerfed vamp because of the disgusting overpowered abilities as you will see in the video below. If you think the changes were unjust, then you sir are an idiot.
The only regret they should have is they have not nerfed it enough. It's still to op and will require further nerf to their ultimate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uq2-Zl1PETM Edited by Darkro on May 6, 2014 7:57AM0 -
UncleArkieSoul ShrivenI think the change is a warranted, as a vampire. But I do also feel that it kinda makes me bored in PvE (being a vamp), I used the same 3 abilities all the time and levelling anything else just seems like a waste of time. The vampier forces you to play in a certain way (drain is really, really important) when the game offers you so many options.1
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OP, they nerfed vamp because of the disgusting overpowered abilities as you will see in the video below. If you think the changes were unjust, then you sir are an idiot.
The only regret they should have is they have not nerfed it enough. It's still to op and will require further nerf to their ultimate.
While I agree that what's in the video should not happen can you please explain why they did not fixed the problem but instead nerfed the vamps?
And to be more specific - vamps that exploited in PvP stacked ultimate cost reduction AND were stacking ultimates(bat swarm) on top of each other AND were getting healed while in mist form despite the ability stating you can't receive heals.
So now they fixed the ult stacking AND NERFED the cost reduction instead of FIXING the way it stacks (or even hard cap it - just like they did with every other thing in the game) plus they did not fixed the mist form heal...best fixes ever, right? Why not to ruin the game for those that didn't abused just because of PvP cry babies....
Edit: They must now offer FREE respec out of vampirism as in it's current state it is not balanced either - you take 50% more fire dmg AND you have 75% less HP regen for NOTHING in exchange...sorry but it's not justified.Edited by ShadowOfOblivion on May 6, 2014 8:46AM3 -
Neferath✭✭✭ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »im.ferociousub17_ESO wrote: »Well said Nef. What they should nerf is the ultimate reduction in sorc and dk instead of Vamp.
There is not ultimate reduction in DK
Well DK ... yes your right. There is no DK passive that actually "reduces" ult. cost like the sorc passive but let's be honest.
Mountain blessing passiv wich bestows 2 ult. for every activation of a earthen heart abilty is doing a pretty good job here too. Also your Battle Roar passive well ... helps a lot.
On top of that you go with akaviri dragonguard set + seducer + twilight's embrace + warlocks and here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxBlMayv12M
Honestly there is reason for everyone who abused the vamp mechanisms in this game is playing either sorc or DK.
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No sorry but your wrong there. Not the vampire needs more nerfs but the ridiculous ult cost reduction needs a rework. Its called "Ultimate Ability" and not "Spamm me Ability" for a reason ... and this, is not a vampire problem.Edited by Neferath on May 6, 2014 12:59PM0 -
Raizin✭✭✭✭I m not crying about vamp nerf and i said that like 1000x times, i m crying about fact that they *** it up
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ThreeEyedCrow wrote: »im.ferociousub17_ESO wrote: »Well said Nef. What they should nerf is the ultimate reduction in sorc and dk instead of Vamp.
There is not ultimate reduction in DK
Well DK ... yes your right. There is no DK passive that actually "reduces" ult. cost like the sorc passive but let's be honest.
Mountain blessing passiv wich bestows 2 ult. for every activation of a earthen heart abilty is doing a pretty good job here too. Also your Battle Roar passive well ... helps a lot.
On top of that you go with akaviri dragonguard set + seducer + twilight's embrace + warlocks and here you go.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxBlMayv12M
Honestly there is reason for everyone who abused the vamp mechanisms in this game is playing either sorc or DK.
@Darkro
No sorry but your wrong there. Not the vampire needs more nerfs but the ridiculous ult cost reduction needs a rework. Its called "Ultimate Ability" and not "Spamm me Ability" for a reason ... and this, is not a vampire problem.
So since I do not have cost reduction can we remove yours too? That would make us equal right? What gives you the right to have such reduction while I do not?
So 2 ult. for each activation when the cost of 1 ultimate is 200 means 100 activations...Should I cast Ignatious weapons for 280 magica per cast 100 times or better go with Obsidian shield for 420? Guess I can get to 200 Ult in just about 10 minutes...
Battle roar restores your pools but I fail see how it helps you recast your ultimate again in a very short peiod of time.
Now the cost reduction stacking you mentioned with pointing those sets IS WHAT IS ACTUALLY BROKEN but was NOT FIXED and that's the big problem for me. If they fixed the stacking of reductions plus the stacking of ultimates on top of each other -> no more PvP crybabies, but nope...they ruined vampries because they are too lazy to actually fix anything.1 -
Dodece✭✭✭Everybody knew that certain abilities were being abused. Everybody knew that a certain class was overpowered. Everybody knows that I win buttons get broke first, and better fixes come out later. This is standard practice in games of this sort. Further more if you play for flavor of the month. This is the price you must be willing to pay over and over.
Fortunately for you this game is terribly forgiving in that regard. Vampires are not a main class. So you aren't locked into them. You can cure yourself while you wait for them to alleviate some of your concerns. It isn't even as if you can't earn more skill points, or level something different in the meantime. What are the issues with this exactly.
Just go back to your main class if you don't like what has happened. It isn't like there is a lack of things to do, or it blocks your in game progression. Go ahead leave the class to the people who genuinely wanted to play it. By the way this whole I am supposed to be especially good nonsense is just that. Yes Vampires in fiction are typically very strong, but they also have a plethora of flaming weak spots.
In other words they are supposed to be able to easily kill people, but in like they are also supposed to be easy to kill if you know the rules. This is just however a game, and it should be fair to all participants. I wouldn't want merchants selling holy water that instantly crippled a vampire upon use. What would be the fun in that.
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Morbus2✭✭✭I m not crying about vamp nerf and i said that like 1000x times, i m crying about fact that they *** it up, and instead of fixing the whole thing they just broke it even more by not fixing the bugging of abilities.
Exactly, and that's the problem. They didn't fix any of the passive ability bugs and still nerfed vampires.
I'm seriously reconsidering my subscription. This level of incompetence is concerning. I left WoW and SWTOR for ESO. I'm starting to think that I made a mistake.
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Zargorius✭✭✭✭felixgamingx1 wrote: »The people who cried about vamps should be banned.
The people who cried about the people who cried about the vamps should be banned.Honor is a dead man's code.0 -
kevjon74_ESO✭✭They should go even further and make more serious penalties for being a vampire or werewolf. Anyone who wants to be either should have to think long and hard whether it's worth it to them or not. Most people should be turned off by the penalties. Otherwise, it's just a silly world full of vampires and werewolves, not the Elder Scrolls.0
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felixgamingx1✭✭✭✭kevjon74_ESO wrote: »They should go even further and make more serious penalties for being a vampire or werewolf. Anyone who wants to be either should have to think long and hard whether it's worth it to them or not. Most people should be turned off by the penalties. Otherwise, it's just a silly world full of vampires and werewolves, not the Elder Scrolls.
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Actually Vampires in TES are not supposed to have that much of an edge, their main advantage was always that they could hide in plain sight, provided they fed regularly.felixgamingx1 wrote: »Vamps and WW are supernatural beings they are supposed to have an edge.... Thanks a lot for ruining my vamp
The advantage for vampires were too great for them not to fix it, especially when Werewolves, who were supposed to be melee powerhouses (according to TES Lore) were ridiculously underpowered.
That said, they should fix the broken abilities.
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Bram Stoker who invented Vampires said they can't walk around in daylight, that Sunlight was anaethma to them.felixgamingx1 wrote: »No it's not! Twilight wasn't a lore breaker who said vamps can't walk in day light!? Some old tale?
Prior to Bram Stoker's Dracula Vampires were just revenants(like Zombies but no witchdoctor involved), and didn't suck blood or control people magically. So if the creator of Vampires says they can't abide daylight then they can't.
@Felixgamingx1 Just realised both the posts I answered were yours, complete accident, not picking on you.
Edited by AlexDougherty on May 6, 2014 4:04PMPeople believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
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Booie✭✭If supernaturals are supposed to be like that, where are the werewolves? Why aren't we seeing packs of them mowing down entire enemy lines the way we were (are?) seeing vamps doing so?
It take extreme luck to just have one WW ultimate up when needed, a whole pack at the same time would take a miracle on a scale not seen before.
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demonlkojipub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I dont see anywhere on my DK skill trees about ultimate cost reduction. where is it?0 -
SourceError✭✭These FoTM players should be punished for being bad at PvP. I say allow fire to hit Vamps in mist form and do 500% more damage.0
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I'll never know about vampire nerfing as I am only a rank 2 vampyre, so once I get my real gaming laptop back from the shop I'll be able to check out how vampires work in pve vs. pvp. I'm still wondering if the nerf is warranted or is it a case of people not knowing how to adjust tactics to fight vampires. It only took me one time to learn what not to do when fighting a vampire in pvp. I am playing a vamp just for the RP element and not to get an edge in pvp. I do see alot of people blindly rushing in to zerg rush a vampire which is a big no no.
In any case, gameplay balancing is going to be an ongoing process that certainly wont be ironed out anytime soon.
We ( my guild ) quickly learned not to zerg rush a vampire, and to take them down, spread out, from afar. We didnt whine or throw a fit about it tho, we just changed our tactics up. Not saying the complaints arent justified, but there is more than one way to "skin a vampire"If I am going to quote someone, it's going to be me.0