I'm wondering how relequen works with lightning staff, do you get stacks of harmful winds every time you deal damage or when HA is fully charged?

Weckless wrote: »

JerBearESO wrote: »

StaticWave wrote: »

JerBearESO wrote: »

By spam light attacks I assume you mean spam light attacks, as we have already discussed the downside of projectile based weave timing. In that case, this is a light attack build of some kind, or it could be a relequen based heavy attacks build. Either way you are trading the damage of a spammable ability for a portion of the damage, and the trade off here is that you don't need as much sustain so you end up with higher stats.

Hey that sounds like a unique build based off relequen. It does NOT sound overpowered in any way, and would likely fall over to meta builds.

Thank you for supporting build diversity 😁

You aren't actually trading anything but a 5 piece set that can output more DPS than a tradition 5 piece set or any ability in the game.

I demonstrated in one of my CMX screenshots how in 1.5s, I received 5 ticks of Relequen for a total of 5k damage. That's more than 2.5k damage a second, for zero cost other than spamming light attacks which everyone always do.

There is no downside. You don't waste as much resources because applying 3-4 abilities with a DoT component that last between 10-20s and then spamming light attacks to proc Relequen 3 times per second is NOT as taxing as using a spammable every second.

Hardcore BG players on PC NA are already abusing this mechanic and outputting 4k-5k DPS. For some players, Relequen makes up 30% of their total damage.

You would not understand how broken this is unless you play in a high MMR BG game or run into the hardcore players that will stack as much cheese as possible. I run into them daily, and I am telling you how it currently is at the high level of PvP.

Call it "elite mentality"or whatever, I'm simply pointing out the cheese in high level PvP. People can decide to pick this set up and try it for themselves, or ignore it and let the few hardcore players dominate. Not my call.

You are providing sever misinformation here. It's absurd. 5 ticks within 1.5 seconds can only be from highly situational and condensed instances. In other words, I challenge you to demonstrate a 5 ticks per 1.5 second rate consistently, as in for example produce this multiple times concurrently.

Show us 20 ticks within 6 seconds

[snip] You already outted yourself the second you claimed relequen enables you to use blastbones as a spammable, which can only be interpreted as relequen gives you enough damage to be able to summon blastbones and spam light attacks and do viable damage which shouldnt be a thing. [snip]

Lol I stopped arguing with him. There’s no point.

I’m in a discord with the sweatiest BG players on PC NA (the kind that runs premades and stack as much cheese as possible), and literally every single one of them know and admit Relequen is broken. Some of them are also using it in their build pulling 4k+ DPS for merely spamming light attacks.

Should I take that information from sweaty PvPers who actually tested this setup in PvP, or take information from people who clearly are trying to defend their setup and calling my attempt to bring light to this bug “misinformation”? Idk man the answer is pretty clear.

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Melzo wrote: »

I don't see the point in nerfing rele unless the other two sets are nerfed.

Nerfing these sets won't improve build diversity, classes that are currently held together by procs will be forced to move to the next best procs, and the meta will lose damage and overall become more tanky. They really need to un-nerf class dot pressure in PvP, that's why we're in such a proc heavy meta, pressure damage needs to exist somehow.

Sure nerf Relequen though because screw farming PvE Trials for PvP.

Melzo wrote: »

Are you serious? So you think the Way of Fire set should proc from dot damage? This is clearly a bug and the set should only work on direct damage. Duals from dragonstar arena are too strong for this meta. And the combo of these two sets completely destroys any fair game. If I want to play through the base stats with any class, then I will lose to any sorcerer with these two sets. They have absurdly high damage.

The base stats don't do much damage and are very difficult to play through. Dk was able to play only because of the corrosion and this allows him not to invest points in penetration, but most classes cannot do this. There are a lot of complaints about the fact that the sorcerer in the mage morph is weak and the templar is useless in close combat with his prong. There are so many reports that the varden is strong but he has some of the weakest skills in the game. Direct damage from his cockroaches deals 4-5 thousand damage. And only because of these broken proc sets and the combination of passive skills with them, he is considered very strong. Without these Necromancer proc sets, it's just impossible to play. These proc sets completely break the gameplay of the classes and they need to either be eliminated or somehow balance and strengthen the basic skills of the classes.

the discussion is about rele not way of the fire

way of fire only procs from weapon dmg with 2 sec cooldown, blood craze is weapon skill, and its dot is still considered weapon dmg, there is nothing wrong with that

it would also proc from the bleed dot from carve because its also a weapon skill

honestly blame zos for making the dots 2 sec tick rates, so that way of the fire is proc on every tick lol

Melzo wrote: »

Necrotech_Master wrote: »

Melzo wrote: »

Are you serious? So you think the Way of Fire set should proc from dot damage? This is clearly a bug and the set should only work on direct damage. Duals from dragonstar arena are too strong for this meta. And the combo of these two sets completely destroys any fair game. If I want to play through the base stats with any class, then I will lose to any sorcerer with these two sets. They have absurdly high damage.

The base stats don't do much damage and are very difficult to play through. Dk was able to play only because of the corrosion and this allows him not to invest points in penetration, but most classes cannot do this. There are a lot of complaints about the fact that the sorcerer in the mage morph is weak and the templar is useless in close combat with his prong. There are so many reports that the varden is strong but he has some of the weakest skills in the game. Direct damage from his cockroaches deals 4-5 thousand damage. And only because of these broken proc sets and the combination of passive skills with them, he is considered very strong. Without these Necromancer proc sets, it's just impossible to play. These proc sets completely break the gameplay of the classes and they need to either be eliminated or somehow balance and strengthen the basic skills of the classes.

the discussion is about rele not way of the fire

way of fire only procs from weapon dmg with 2 sec cooldown, blood craze is weapon skill, and its dot is still considered weapon dmg, there is nothing wrong with that

it would also proc from the bleed dot from carve because its also a weapon skill

honestly blame zos for making the dots 2 sec tick rates, so that way of the fire is proc on every tick lol

This set works even if you are at a distance of 30 meters with a melee weapon....

the way of the fire set doesnt require a melee attack to proc, so range doesnt matter

I may have partly cracked this one.(but may be wrong here) Looking at the description for both arms of relequen and savage werewolf with some key highlights bolded for convenience:
Arms of relequen: your light and heavy attacks apply a stack of harmful winds to your target for 5 seconds. Harmful winds deal x physical damage per stack every 1 second. This effect can stack once every 0.5 seconds, up to 10 times and scales off the higher of your weapon or spell damage.

Savage Werewolf: your light attacks made within melee range rend flesh, causing your enemy to bleed for x bleed damage instantly and additionally every 2 seconds for 4 seconds. This effect scales off the higher of your weapon or spell damage.

My guess is: damage from relequen's harmful winds may unintentionally but similarly to SW be applying instantly on application but also as well as each second and with each light/heavy attack hence the numbers seen in the OP...

In its current iteration, I can only imagine how bad it is if used with a lightning staff heavy attack...

A possible way to solve this:
your light and heavy attacks apply a stack of harmful winds to your target for 5.5 seconds once every 0.5 seconds. Harmful winds deal x physical damage per stack every 1 second after a 0.5 second delay. This effect can stack once every 0.5 seconds, up to 10 times and scales off the higher of your weapon or spell damage.

Thoughts: by adding a 0.5 second cooldown to the application of harmful winds, I would not know how it would play out, but increasing the duration of harmful winds to 5.5 seconds and adding a 0.5 second delay to it might alleviate the amount of damage dealt by it upfront when applying fresh stacks, the delay is so that it only starts dealing damage after the 0.5 second delay which is enough time for the first tick of damage to occur before the simueltaneous reapplication of harmful winds occurs.

Edit for clarification: I do not have arms of relequen, but I have used savage werewolf before and partly know where the OP is coming from in regards to set damage application.

So I didn't experience Relequen in BGs until yesterday, fighting another Arcanist running with 37k Health across multiple BGs.

Relequen generates high pressure, and because it's triggered off light attacks, you can't exactly run away without getting pelted constantly by an ever-increasing damage stack that over-ticks multiple times.

Also, @StaticWave has been a long-time regular in high-MMR BGs on PC NA. (He used to play under a different handle). He's a good player.

StaticWave wrote: »

taugrim wrote: »

So I didn't experience Relequen in BGs until yesterday, fighting another Arcanist running with 37k Health across multiple BGs.

Relequen generates high pressure, and because it's triggered off light attacks, you can't exactly run away without getting pelted constantly by an ever-increasing damage stack that over-ticks multiple times.

Also, @StaticWave has been a long-time regular in high-MMR BGs on PC NA. (He used to play under a different handle). He's a good player.

Was it something Musical? (can’t say the exact name because of forum rules). If it was him, then I’ve run into him several times this week. I actually had to switch my build to a super mobile one to run away when he has stacks on me lol. I can’t imagine fighting that with a less mobile build.

Relequen is no doubt pretty hard to deal with for most classes, this is evident at the high level of PvP. It doesn’t help that the people running Relequen also has master DW, Vate staff, and a bunch of other DoTs stacking on top of Relequen.

Yes, that's the same player.

He's not using Master DW. He definitely uses Vate Staff, but I think frontbars staff too for Crushing Shock.

nerf rele disgusting carry set in pvp

The only guy I’ve noticed in bgs using it does well. He uses a destro staff and force pulse. I wonder if that procs relequen multiple times at once

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

The only guy I’ve noticed in bgs using it does well. He uses a destro staff and force pulse. I wonder if that procs relequen multiple times at once

Sounds like they are using draugrkin with it plus charged trait possibly. Would be a lot of instances for draugrkin to boost.

Rele itself is only procced from light/heavy attacks

StaticWave wrote: »

"I told you so" has never been more appropriate to say

So now you are 1/22.

Necro thread!

For anyone hopping on this necro thread, the story is that Static duals alot it seems and rele is OP for duals where there's no reason for the stacks to drop. LoS is frowned upon in duals.

In actual PvP game play rele is not overperforming by itself as it cannot crit and the stacks are lost easily, so literally just play around it....

Have to this day died one time to someone using rele....

@JerBearESO its been 6 months buddy, rele has become more prevalent. I think most people have realized it's a pretty strong set. You said a rele build wouldn't be able to beat a meta build, but I think everyone realizes now that rele is the meta build for some range setups.

My overall opinion on rele is that yes, its overperforming 1v1. It can pull around 1500 dps compared to sets like wof that pull around 500 if you are parsing someone.
I think it's a great set to xv1 people with open world.
I think its decent at best solo open world.
I do not know where it stands gvg