I truly don't understand the point of this thread in the first place. We are mad about HA sorcs getting a small nerf that will make them slightly less strong so we are going to complain about how strong dks are? Completely ignoring they are glass cannons that can be very difficult to play?
PrincessOfThieves wrote: »The thing is, even if ZOS listens to this and nerfs dks, competitive guilds would find another class that does a little bit better than the rest. It's not the class overperforming, it's the players. Competitive groups that play together for years, have extremely optimized group compositions and very skilled supports will always do better than casual players.
Honestly, I don't see a big problem with top-end groups stacking whatever they like because it's inconsequential for the majority of players, or even the majority of vet players. Balancing should focus around average raiders, and the class balace looks different among them. Not many groups are stacking dks in mid-tier, they mostly stack Oakensorcs.
PrincessOfThieves wrote: »The thing is, even if ZOS listens to this and nerfs dks, competitive guilds would find another class that does a little bit better than the rest. It's not the class overperforming, it's the players. Competitive groups that play together for years, have extremely optimized group compositions and very skilled supports will always do better than casual players.
Honestly, I don't see a big problem with top-end groups stacking whatever they like because it's inconsequential for the majority of players, or even the majority of vet players. Balancing should focus around average raiders, and the class balace looks different among them. Not many groups are stacking dks in mid-tier, they mostly stack Oakensorcs.
Have you been to Cyrodiil lately? 50% of the players there are DKs. If it was "the players," then class distribution would be even, based upon preferred playstyle, no? Or does the player seek the easiest route to winning?
Skullstachio wrote: »How is Fungal Growth dealing damage in that chart?
Why is the auto response from the forums that things need to be nerfed?
This is pve.
Why not bring other classes up to what dks are doing?
Why nerf HA sorc? Why not raise up ha builds for the other classes?
EDIT: And weapon types?
Why is the auto response from the forums that things need to be nerfed?
This is pve.
Why not bring other classes up to what dks are doing?
Why nerf HA sorc? Why not raise up ha builds for the other classes?
EDIT: And weapon types?
Rkindaleft wrote: »Maybe I’m still resentful but I lived through Murkmire, Dragonhold and Lost Depths (infamous U35) and I’m not denying that many endgame players left the game/stopped participating in high level content each time because they were nerfed (with U35 being the worst of the bunch) and yet the ones who stuck around managed to adapt.
Each and every time, the casual crowd who are mostly now all on HA Oaken told us we can adapt and it’s not the end of the world - this Empower nerf is a much more tame nerf than anything the endgame players of those eras received in these respective patches and yet I have seen more threads complaining about a relatively insignificant nerf to Empower than I saw threads for the huge nerfs in U35.
Yes. And now it’s “well you need more people in endgame” now that endgame is pretty much dead, completely ignoring the fact that it is dead because of all of those changes. The expectation should be no different. HA wants to be in endgame? Expect the same nerfs we get. People really should see that ZOS is for once, ever inching down a build with the intention of allowing it to perform at a certain level rather than flat-out obliterating it like they usually do.
derkaiserliche wrote: »I would say people should tryhard less and start playing what they enjoy most and not whats currently the strongest.
I expect further adjustments in Q3 and Q4 nonetheless which will be targeted at DKs
I expect further adjustments in Q3 and Q4 nonetheless which will be targeted at DKs
Why would you expect that? ZOS has been told (and shown logs) of DKs overperforming for over a year, and what have they done every quarter? They have buffed the class. Whether it's by design or *accident* I'll leave to others to debate.
kringled_1 wrote: »We've had all (mostly) necro, all sorc, and all nb raid comps before hybridization though. I haven't seen all templar/warden runs except for meme runs.
kringled_1 wrote: »We've had all (mostly) necro, all sorc, and all nb raid comps before hybridization though. I haven't seen all templar/warden runs except for meme runs.
kringled_1 wrote: »We've had all (mostly) necro, all sorc, and all nb raid comps before hybridization though. I haven't seen all templar/warden runs except for meme runs.
my very first vMoL clear was an 8 templar DPS composition (this was pre-Vvardenfell release).
kringled_1 wrote: »We've had all (mostly) necro, all sorc, and all nb raid comps before hybridization though. I haven't seen all templar/warden runs except for meme runs.
my very first vMoL clear was an 8 templar DPS composition (this was pre-Vvardenfell release).
I play this game since day 1 (with some interruptions) and although zos may not always be the fastest when they are trying to balance things, they've done it every single time.
I guess I'm struggling to understand why having DK at the top of the heap, or any class for that matter, is such a huge issue for some people that they get impatient for ZOS to nerf it. If the meta is magDK and you want to be meta, roll a magDK. If the meta becomes magNB or stamSorc or whatever, roll that. You could also just play what you want to play and accept that it might perform slightly below the best builds, or even above if your playstyle happens to jive with it better than the meta.
Before anyone cries, "Found the DK main", I don't have a main. I play every class and build at a decidedly average level, although I probably have the most fun on my magplar right now.
I play this game since day 1 (with some interruptions) and although zos may not always be the fastest when they are trying to balance things, they've done it every single time.
So, if they are aware that DK is overperforming and supposing it actually does take months or years to balance a class... why would they continue to make DK more powerful every quarter? Making an active change to improve a class shouldn't take any more or less time than making a nerf, should it?I guess I'm struggling to understand why having DK at the top of the heap, or any class for that matter, is such a huge issue for some people that they get impatient for ZOS to nerf it. If the meta is magDK and you want to be meta, roll a magDK. If the meta becomes magNB or stamSorc or whatever, roll that. You could also just play what you want to play and accept that it might perform slightly below the best builds, or even above if your playstyle happens to jive with it better than the meta.
Before anyone cries, "Found the DK main", I don't have a main. I play every class and build at a decidedly average level, although I probably have the most fun on my magplar right now.
Probably not an issue for trials, because everybody wants to get in and get it done as fast as possible. Everybody wins. But in PvP, when your death recaps are mostly filled with DK skills and the majority of 1vXers and unkillable tanks are Dragonknights, it becomes annoying. Is the answer to "roll a magDK" and hope for a stalemate, or "play what you want to play" and spend a lot of time on the ground not earning AP, skill points, titles, dyes, furnishings, etc?