"It would be worth grabbing that trader that could be gone within the next hour because once another trader is grabbed which isn't difficult to say the least, the listed products would be back listed for everyone to see once again especially since everyone in the game can see all listed items at once, it wouldn't take long for sales to be completed."

But why would a player that doesn't PvP risk it instead of joining a trade guild. You claimed this would bring more people to PvP. It would not. It simply isn't worth the hassle and the gold spent to list items knowing you could lose the trader at any time. And if others in your guild are not online or are busy doing other things you miss opportunities to sell. It makes no sense to join a PvP guild for the trader.

"Now should that keep come under attack, that particular guild now has an incentive to go defending verses what commonly happens as players ignore keeps being taken letting the enemy have it."

Keeps under siege are ignored either because there is no players online to defend or there is another keep that has a more strategic advantage. Having a trader simply isn't going to be a part of the equation. Factions pushing for Emperor or defending Emperor is a deciding factor in what to defend and what to let go. Also what to push. Cutting a faction off is part of the strategy in deciding which keep to attack. Deciding to defend that keep instead of one half way around the map from home base is a decision factions make.
Hey we are about to lose our trader isn't going to be a determining factor even with your system. Why would it be. Players that have items to trade are in a trade guild.

"Personal experience from other games determined the opposite."

My personal experience and a quick glance at other games forums say I am spot on. Also you have to remember players here have already amassed great sums of gold. In a game just starting out a central system can't be abused for a while giving it some chance of becoming stable. Eventually though some group of players will begin trying to manipulate the market and with a central location they have a much better chance of success.
If ESO made the switch we would have quite a few players that could have immediate impact on the market and not in a good way. Like I said earlier even though I am sitting on fifty million gold I am a small fish in the overall market. There are players that would be able to spend 100s of millions to corner a market and some would simply because they could. With what we have now that isn't possible.

"For example the recipe that comes out of battlegrounds which is required to make the 150% AP food."

That isn't a good example. That item is so rare that the demand is always going to be much more than the supply. No need to hoard the item because the game makes it exclusive and very expensive. It is an example of what your idea wouldn't change things for PvP. Very few if any players farm for that item now. THe PvE crowd doesn't want to get ganked and the PvP crowd would rather fight than farm. So maybe they keep an eye open while running to the next fight but actual farming doesn't often happen. The item is worth a ton of gold yet most can't be bothered to try and find it because it drops in a PvP zone.

kargen27 wrote: »

"It would be worth grabbing that trader that could be gone within the next hour because once another trader is grabbed which isn't difficult to say the least, the listed products would be back listed for everyone to see once again especially since everyone in the game can see all listed items at once, it wouldn't take long for sales to be completed."

But why would a player that doesn't PvP risk it instead of joining a trade guild. You claimed this would bring more people to PvP. It would not. It simply isn't worth the hassle and the gold spent to list items knowing you could lose the trader at any time. And if others in your guild are not online or are busy doing other things you miss opportunities to sell. It makes no sense to join a PvP guild for the trader.

"Now should that keep come under attack, that particular guild now has an incentive to go defending verses what commonly happens as players ignore keeps being taken letting the enemy have it."

Keeps under siege are ignored either because there is no players online to defend or there is another keep that has a more strategic advantage. Having a trader simply isn't going to be a part of the equation. Factions pushing for Emperor or defending Emperor is a deciding factor in what to defend and what to let go. Also what to push. Cutting a faction off is part of the strategy in deciding which keep to attack. Deciding to defend that keep instead of one half way around the map from home base is a decision factions make.
Hey we are about to lose our trader isn't going to be a determining factor even with your system. Why would it be. Players that have items to trade are in a trade guild.

"Personal experience from other games determined the opposite."

My personal experience and a quick glance at other games forums say I am spot on. Also you have to remember players here have already amassed great sums of gold. In a game just starting out a central system can't be abused for a while giving it some chance of becoming stable. Eventually though some group of players will begin trying to manipulate the market and with a central location they have a much better chance of success.
If ESO made the switch we would have quite a few players that could have immediate impact on the market and not in a good way. Like I said earlier even though I am sitting on fifty million gold I am a small fish in the overall market. There are players that would be able to spend 100s of millions to corner a market and some would simply because they could. With what we have now that isn't possible.

"For example the recipe that comes out of battlegrounds which is required to make the 150% AP food."

That isn't a good example. That item is so rare that the demand is always going to be much more than the supply. No need to hoard the item because the game makes it exclusive and very expensive. It is an example of what your idea wouldn't change things for PvP. Very few if any players farm for that item now. THe PvE crowd doesn't want to get ganked and the PvP crowd would rather fight than farm. So maybe they keep an eye open while running to the next fight but actual farming doesn't often happen. The item is worth a ton of gold yet most can't be bothered to try and find it because it drops in a PvP zone.

That's the thing, I've said over and over that a PvE player can stay in a regular trading guild, but a pvp player has more incentive to join more pvp guilds because now the guild offers more incentives such as perks. Maxed guild hall, pvp trader to sell good, a social aspect and players to play with. A PvE player doesn't have to join a pvp guild as it's only an option. I'm strictly speaking on how it makes traders more appealing to pvp guilds in that aspect. However, since all traders value are equal in terms of what it can do out side of PVP, this makes it easier for more guilds to get into obtaining guild traders. So PvP is improved without affecting PvE in a negative way.

You're looking at it from your own stand point as a casual PvE player from your description. It makes all the sense to join a PVP guild for trading perks as a PVP player. These new features would enable pvp to be more dynamic where the players are far more involved.

Countless times players have sat and watched keeps get taking, not only because a lack of players, often the reason is because the keep being taken isn't that high of a priority, but now for a select group of players those keeps would actually be a priority.

I'm personally speaking with a couple PvP guilds right now about their input on the subject and all of them are on board and think that it's a great idea. A lot of players just aren't in forums as some doesn't like confrontational situations, so they avoid it while others just aren't open to joining forums for their other personal reasons.

The item I said was just one of many items that could be used as an example, so yes it was still a good example as you just happened to miss the whole point of the argument since you centered it around the item in particular instead of the point.

PvP players are forced to do far more PvE content than PvE players are forced to do PvP content and that's a fact. So why keep complaining about a method you have alternatives options too verses the many situations PvP players don't have an alternative option too? That's weird that you guys keep doing that...

So the subject now has been moved once again? Now we are trying to help pvp guilds? /facepalm

Guild traders in keeps will NEVER be desirable….

Guild traders in pvp keeps, by their very nature, are restricted from selling to 2/3rds of the players in an already restricted area, at any particular time. And that goes beyond the volatility of their temporary placement issues

And this is before taking into account players who are currently saved to different battle groups, nor is it taking into account basic convenience issues like not being able to open a banker to access gold or items in that zone.

Also do pvpers really want players in there that are just shopping in their faction? And not participating in the fight? “Underdog bonuses” are no longer desirable?

I can't imagine it having any impact on PvP guilds. But, for the sake of argument, I will say, "Sure. Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members."

How does it benefit the average PvP player that suddenly there are less keeps being flipped? Less AP being earned? Less small scale battles taking place?

If I were a PvPer I wouldn't want an idea that gave me less PvP in a PvP zone.

I can't even see this a benefit even if it was right.

King_*** wrote: »

"I can't imagine it having any impact on PvP guilds. But, for the sake of argument, I will say, "Sure. Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members."

Why do y'all keep saying that? I've already explained how it wouldn't be limited to only one faction but I'm not even going to address this one anymore.

Where did I state, even remotely, that it would be limited to only one faction? I did not. This is just a strawman argument to dismiss the point I actually made.

"If I were a PvPer I wouldn't want an idea that gave me less PvP in a PvP zone."

Ugh, why did I reopen this thread? It’s just one long headache of bad ideas…

So NOW you want the server to not only keep track of what’s being bought and sold in the zone in real-time to all players in single list. (Even thought individual traders currently have lag when searching for items.) We are adding that the merchants themselves will be added and subtracted in real-time as well? Up to 15,000 items removed and added in a moment, due to BRK being flipped?

And how is this explained RP wise? Oh that keep is restricted to travel because the resources are taken, but don’t worry goods can still go through? We here in the AD faction can get stuff from the EP faction due to “magic” or something? Oh, I am sorry you did not buy fast enough, Chal was taken over?

You do realize this is an ES game, right? In Skyrim I had to travel from merchant to merchant in different cities to buy alchemy items. And that game happens AFTER eso… Did the idea of a magical centralized list just disappear like the dwemer?

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I still want to know what super specific item is needed on demand that is so hard to find.

Every trader I visit seems to sell crafting materials, so that’s not it.

The idea that trial guilds are dependent on traders for gear has been debunked, so that’s not it.

Is it furniture? Furniture plans? Join a housing guild.

Motifs, maybe? Companion gear (which is another problem with buying things in a PvP area)?

I mean you want to upend a system that even casual housing and RP guilds participate in, just because you don’t want to move a character 10 yards to visit another trader, nor do you appear to wish to farm the items yourself, nor are you interested in making gold. (This is how crazy the goalposts have been moved in this thread.) Maybe the trader system is not the problem here.

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

"I can't imagine it having any impact on PvP guilds. But, for the sake of argument, I will say, "Sure. Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members."

Why do y'all keep saying that? I've already explained how it wouldn't be limited to only one faction but I'm not even going to address this one anymore.

Where did I state, even remotely, that you stated it would be limited to only one faction? I did not. This is just a strawman argument to dismiss the point I actually made.

"If I were a PvPer I wouldn't want an idea that gave me less PvP in a PvP zone."

Right here when you said this "Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members." But I digress. You clearly just spoke on the limitation of selling to fellow alliance members... Nobody is trying to strong man anything. It's literally what you just said quoted back to you. Please don't make accusations like that especially if you don't even know what you said. Lol

How does a guild defending a keep so it can sell to fellow alliance members mean only one alliance can do that?

You said yourself that your idea is that there is a central market board. That guild stores would still be a thing, but people would be able to view and list the items from the central location. They then could go to the guild traders and buy it. Right? Otherwise what is even the point of even having guild traders?

Under the idea of a central market board where people still buy stuff from the guild traders....you cannot travel to another alliance's keep to buy an item. You can view their listing from the central market board, but they'd have to be a member of your alliance to visit your keep. So the item would be sold to a member of your alliance.

That doesn't mean only the Aldmeri (for example) would be able to list items. Or only AD could sell things. It doesn't mean only one alliance can sell things at all.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

"I can't imagine it having any impact on PvP guilds. But, for the sake of argument, I will say, "Sure. Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members."

Why do y'all keep saying that? I've already explained how it wouldn't be limited to only one faction but I'm not even going to address this one anymore.

Where did I state, even remotely, that you stated it would be limited to only one faction? I did not. This is just a strawman argument to dismiss the point I actually made.

"If I were a PvPer I wouldn't want an idea that gave me less PvP in a PvP zone."

Right here when you said this "Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members." But I digress. You clearly just spoke on the limitation of selling to fellow alliance members... Nobody is trying to strong man anything. It's literally what you just said quoted back to you. Please don't make accusations like that especially if you don't even know what you said. Lol

How does a guild defending a keep so it can sell to fellow alliance members mean only one alliance can do that?

You said yourself that your idea is that there is a central market board. That guild stores would still be a thing, but people would be able to view and list the items from the central location. They then could go to the guild traders and buy it. Right? Otherwise what is even the point of even having guild traders?

Under the idea of a central market board where people still buy stuff from the guild traders....you cannot travel to another alliance's keep to buy an item. You can view their listing from the central market board, but they'd have to be a member of your alliance to visit your keep. So the item would be sold to a member of your alliance.

That doesn't mean only the Aldmeri (for example) would be able to list items. Or only AD could sell things. It doesn't mean only one alliance can sell things at all.

Already explained that before several times already.

Yes through the market board all players can view the listings however if players chose to go-to the guild traders individually, then yes it would be hindered to 1 alliance only naturally which wouldn't be relevant since alternatively you can check the market board for all locations at once instead but the option would still be there of course.

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

"I can't imagine it having any impact on PvP guilds. But, for the sake of argument, I will say, "Sure. Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members."

Why do y'all keep saying that? I've already explained how it wouldn't be limited to only one faction but I'm not even going to address this one anymore.

Where did I state, even remotely, that you stated it would be limited to only one faction? I did not. This is just a strawman argument to dismiss the point I actually made.

"If I were a PvPer I wouldn't want an idea that gave me less PvP in a PvP zone."

Right here when you said this "Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members." But I digress. You clearly just spoke on the limitation of selling to fellow alliance members... Nobody is trying to strong man anything. It's literally what you just said quoted back to you. Please don't make accusations like that especially if you don't even know what you said. Lol

How does a guild defending a keep so it can sell to fellow alliance members mean only one alliance can do that?

You said yourself that your idea is that there is a central market board. That guild stores would still be a thing, but people would be able to view and list the items from the central location. They then could go to the guild traders and buy it. Right? Otherwise what is even the point of even having guild traders?

Under the idea of a central market board where people still buy stuff from the guild traders....you cannot travel to another alliance's keep to buy an item. You can view their listing from the central market board, but they'd have to be a member of your alliance to visit your keep. So the item would be sold to a member of your alliance.

That doesn't mean only the Aldmeri (for example) would be able to list items. Or only AD could sell things. It doesn't mean only one alliance can sell things at all.

Already explained that before several times already.

Yes through the market board all players can view the listings however if players chose to go-to the guild traders individually, then yes it would be hindered to 1 alliance only naturally which wouldn't be relevant since alternatively you can check the market board for all locations at once instead but the option would still be there of course.

I'm not speaking of the seller. I am speaking of the buyer.

Do you expect the buyer to be able to purchase something directly from the "market board" or do you want it to tell them which trader to visit at an instant glance? Your OP makes it sound like the latter, but now I'm thinking you mean the former.

If it's the former, then this is just an auction house that's been convoluted by involving guild traders.

BlueRaven wrote: »

The game needs gold sinks. I can think of nine off the top of my head and quite frankly I think it needs more.

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The current system promotes a healthy balance.

Totally agree, and if they ever added in a way to pay gold to upgrade the amount of furnishing slots in player homes, I would be so broke, so fast!

To the main topic, "needed economy changes," it's interesting to me that with hundreds of posts in this thread, hardly any address the economic elephant in the room, the grey market trade in "gold for Crowns."

As real-world inflation has devalued real money, the going rate for Crowns has increased, and inflation has increased throughout the virtual in-game economy. It's an uncanny parallel.

If we want to stop in-game inflation, getting ZOS to finally take action against the "gold for crowns" trade would do that overnight. You would see the prices of everything drop drastically, and the economy would probably tank like a stock market crash.

I'm not advocating for them to do that, by the way. I personally think the trade is scummy and I don't support it, but neither will I push for it to be banned. I am fine with the balance that currently exists. However, with the trade removed as an incentive for people to amass a large amount of gold quickly, the economics would change to reflect the vacuum. I don't know if the end result would be better or worse than what currently exists

I see "gold for crowns" like the outlaw refuges in every in-game city. Tolerated as long as it doesn't become a problem. ZOS, like the Dark Elf Tribunal, obviously knows about it, too and chooses to overlook this grey market. In fact, I believe they added the "Endeavour" system last year specifically to mitigate this, allowing players to grind for the rewards which only used to be available from Crown crates, to take away some of the reasons players would engage in the grey market.

Final thought: it's super easy to make gold in this game without trying too hard. I hoard materials, not gold, and as inflation increases, I can sell less of them to make more money. Cornflower, Columbine, Chromium and Zircon Plating net me millions with minimal effort. I only have six characters, but with their daily writs I get plenty of Alchemy and Jewellery Surveys to replenish my supply. I use my profits to buy Heartwood and Mundane Runes for making furniture for my homes. There is an elegant balance to this game's economy and I am sure there have been many hours spent in ZOS boardrooms getting it to this point.

Bonus thought: What do other people need tens of millions of gold for, if they aren't buying crowns on the grey market? Convenience. And like the 7-11 down the street, which has its entire business model built on overcharging for convenience, you better just learn to accept it or pick your own cornflowers.

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

"I can't imagine it having any impact on PvP guilds. But, for the sake of argument, I will say, "Sure. Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members."

Why do y'all keep saying that? I've already explained how it wouldn't be limited to only one faction but I'm not even going to address this one anymore.

Where did I state, even remotely, that you stated it would be limited to only one faction? I did not. This is just a strawman argument to dismiss the point I actually made.

"If I were a PvPer I wouldn't want an idea that gave me less PvP in a PvP zone."

Right here when you said this "Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members." But I digress. You clearly just spoke on the limitation of selling to fellow alliance members... Nobody is trying to strong man anything. It's literally what you just said quoted back to you. Please don't make accusations like that especially if you don't even know what you said. Lol

How does a guild defending a keep so it can sell to fellow alliance members mean only one alliance can do that?

You said yourself that your idea is that there is a central market board. That guild stores would still be a thing, but people would be able to view and list the items from the central location. They then could go to the guild traders and buy it. Right? Otherwise what is even the point of even having guild traders?

Under the idea of a central market board where people still buy stuff from the guild traders....you cannot travel to another alliance's keep to buy an item. You can view their listing from the central market board, but they'd have to be a member of your alliance to visit your keep. So the item would be sold to a member of your alliance.

That doesn't mean only the Aldmeri (for example) would be able to list items. Or only AD could sell things. It doesn't mean only one alliance can sell things at all.

Already explained that before several times already.

Yes through the market board all players can view the listings however if players chose to go-to the guild traders individually, then yes it would be hindered to 1 alliance only naturally which wouldn't be relevant since alternatively you can check the market board for all locations at once instead but the option would still be there of course.

I'm not speaking of the seller. I am speaking of the buyer.

Do you expect the buyer to be able to purchase something directly from the "market board" or do you want it to tell them which trader to visit at an instant glance? Your OP makes it sound like the latter, but now I'm thinking you mean the former.

If it's the former, then this is just an auction house that's been convoluted by involving guild traders.

No I would like for the buyer to be able to purchase from the market board not take away the option to visit the guild traders and buy from them specifically if that's what you want to do as games already Incorporated that concept So it's not far-fetched for ESO to do the same.

I can agree that it would be central trading but it's not an auction house.

Also, gold for crowns is not a Grey market as it is specifically allowed by zos

Gina: To clarify, trading an in-game item for other in-game items is allowed; trading in-game items for real-world money or other out-of-game items is strictly prohibited.

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Billium813 wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

"I can't imagine it having any impact on PvP guilds. But, for the sake of argument, I will say, "Sure. Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members."

Why do y'all keep saying that? I've already explained how it wouldn't be limited to only one faction but I'm not even going to address this one anymore.

Where did I state, even remotely, that you stated it would be limited to only one faction? I did not. This is just a strawman argument to dismiss the point I actually made.

"If I were a PvPer I wouldn't want an idea that gave me less PvP in a PvP zone."

Right here when you said this "Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members." But I digress. You clearly just spoke on the limitation of selling to fellow alliance members... Nobody is trying to strong man anything. It's literally what you just said quoted back to you. Please don't make accusations like that especially if you don't even know what you said. Lol

How does a guild defending a keep so it can sell to fellow alliance members mean only one alliance can do that?

You said yourself that your idea is that there is a central market board. That guild stores would still be a thing, but people would be able to view and list the items from the central location. They then could go to the guild traders and buy it. Right? Otherwise what is even the point of even having guild traders?

Under the idea of a central market board where people still buy stuff from the guild traders....you cannot travel to another alliance's keep to buy an item. You can view their listing from the central market board, but they'd have to be a member of your alliance to visit your keep. So the item would be sold to a member of your alliance.

That doesn't mean only the Aldmeri (for example) would be able to list items. Or only AD could sell things. It doesn't mean only one alliance can sell things at all.

Already explained that before several times already.

Yes through the market board all players can view the listings however if players chose to go-to the guild traders individually, then yes it would be hindered to 1 alliance only naturally which wouldn't be relevant since alternatively you can check the market board for all locations at once instead but the option would still be there of course.

I'm not speaking of the seller. I am speaking of the buyer.

Do you expect the buyer to be able to purchase something directly from the "market board" or do you want it to tell them which trader to visit at an instant glance? Your OP makes it sound like the latter, but now I'm thinking you mean the former.

If it's the former, then this is just an auction house that's been convoluted by involving guild traders.

No I would like for the buyer to be able to purchase from the market board not take away the option to visit the guild traders and buy from them specifically if that's what you want to do as games already Incorporated that concept So it's not far-fetched for ESO to do the same.

I can agree that it would be central trading but it's not an auction house.

A central marketplace is a bad idea.

... but it's a much bigger time commitment and thus discourages some from doing it, adding a layer of protection to the market...

Totally agree! Players advocating for a central marketplace don't appreciate the inherent benefit of the lag in the current system! The current system has a natural, low resolution that benefits the system over the individual, but still offers an avenue for players that care by investing a modicum of time and effort.

Real world services like TCC work to eliminate the market fluctuations by giving players approximations on their goods values and online resources (as well as zone chat) allow players to understand the value of their services. However, I'm currently fine with TCC and addons BECAUSE nothing is perfect information.

A central auction house would suddenly give the whole population immediate, perfect information! That drastically increases the ability for the market to be manipulated! The current system has a built in release valve on manipulation because there's always going to be guild traders in some other zone with different prices and players will weight the effort of having to go get those items with the potential return on manipulating the market. The inherent effort in the system lags the system out and stabilizes it.

You see what you're doing there? You're going at it from a selfish standpoint like all players are on PC and can benefit from those addon's which isn't the case, so a wide variety of the player base is at a disadvantage. PC is only 1/3 of the games overall population while 2/3s of the game suffers from the current system.

King_*** wrote: »

Billium813 wrote: »

Lumsdenml wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

King_*** wrote: »

"I can't imagine it having any impact on PvP guilds. But, for the sake of argument, I will say, "Sure. Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members."

Why do y'all keep saying that? I've already explained how it wouldn't be limited to only one faction but I'm not even going to address this one anymore.

Where did I state, even remotely, that you stated it would be limited to only one faction? I did not. This is just a strawman argument to dismiss the point I actually made.

"If I were a PvPer I wouldn't want an idea that gave me less PvP in a PvP zone."

Right here when you said this "Now some big pvp guilds are defending keeps so they can sell to fellow alliance members." But I digress. You clearly just spoke on the limitation of selling to fellow alliance members... Nobody is trying to strong man anything. It's literally what you just said quoted back to you. Please don't make accusations like that especially if you don't even know what you said. Lol

How does a guild defending a keep so it can sell to fellow alliance members mean only one alliance can do that?

You said yourself that your idea is that there is a central market board. That guild stores would still be a thing, but people would be able to view and list the items from the central location. They then could go to the guild traders and buy it. Right? Otherwise what is even the point of even having guild traders?

Under the idea of a central market board where people still buy stuff from the guild traders....you cannot travel to another alliance's keep to buy an item. You can view their listing from the central market board, but they'd have to be a member of your alliance to visit your keep. So the item would be sold to a member of your alliance.

That doesn't mean only the Aldmeri (for example) would be able to list items. Or only AD could sell things. It doesn't mean only one alliance can sell things at all.

Already explained that before several times already.

Yes through the market board all players can view the listings however if players chose to go-to the guild traders individually, then yes it would be hindered to 1 alliance only naturally which wouldn't be relevant since alternatively you can check the market board for all locations at once instead but the option would still be there of course.

I'm not speaking of the seller. I am speaking of the buyer.

Do you expect the buyer to be able to purchase something directly from the "market board" or do you want it to tell them which trader to visit at an instant glance? Your OP makes it sound like the latter, but now I'm thinking you mean the former.

If it's the former, then this is just an auction house that's been convoluted by involving guild traders.

No I would like for the buyer to be able to purchase from the market board not take away the option to visit the guild traders and buy from them specifically if that's what you want to do as games already Incorporated that concept So it's not far-fetched for ESO to do the same.

I can agree that it would be central trading but it's not an auction house.

A central marketplace is a bad idea.

... but it's a much bigger time commitment and thus discourages some from doing it, adding a layer of protection to the market...

Totally agree! Players advocating for a central marketplace don't appreciate the inherent benefit of the lag in the current system! The current system has a natural, low resolution that benefits the system over the individual, but still offers an avenue for players that care by investing a modicum of time and effort.

Real world services like TCC work to eliminate the market fluctuations by giving players approximations on their goods values and online resources (as well as zone chat) allow players to understand the value of their services. However, I'm currently fine with TCC and addons BECAUSE nothing is perfect information.

A central auction house would suddenly give the whole population immediate, perfect information! That drastically increases the ability for the market to be manipulated! The current system has a built in release valve on manipulation because there's always going to be guild traders in some other zone with different prices and players will weight the effort of having to go get those items with the potential return on manipulating the market. The inherent effort in the system lags the system out and stabilizes it.

You see what you're doing there? You're going at it from a selfish standpoint like all players are on PC and can benefit from those addon's which isn't the case, so a wide variety of the player base is at a disadvantage. PC is only 1/3 of the games overall population while 2/3s of the game suffers from the current system.

Can I ask a question, might be a stupid one, but that wouldn't be the first time I missed something.

Is there some reason that people who want to trade can't simply list items for the prices they want to? Why is there some need to have a real time listing of all prices everywhere? Just looking a a few of the traders in a hub location will give a ballpark zone for prices. People will buy items at the prices they consider to be appropriate. There are social guilds that have no dues or sales requirements, so no need for beginning traders to be multimillionaires to start trading. Unless there is some kind of law that says every trader has to earn at least a billion gold an hour or something, I'm not seeing the disadvantage to sell for prices you want, and buy for the prices you think are fair.

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Lumsdenml wrote: »

Also, gold for crowns is not a Grey market as it is specifically allowed by zos

Gina: To clarify, trading an in-game item for other in-game items is allowed; trading in-game items for real-world money or other out-of-game items is strictly prohibited.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/5205829/#Comment_5205829

I definitely agree with this notion, I don't have any issues with players selling crowns for gold, but it just brings up my next point.

If players were actually thriving in this games market, like the players in this forums say, then why would players spend their money on crowns for gold if nobody is actually struggling?

It's totally understandable for the other end of the trade where players trade their gold for crowns. Players give their hard earned game grind work for crown currency especially when they might be struggling IRL or maybe just don't want to spend that much IRL money for the game while on the opposite end, the players buying crowns to trade for gold are struggling in the game so it's literally the best way for these players to make money as the other options they have available aren't that great or profitable in comparison.

That notion alone shows how desperate players are to obtain gold in elder scrolls online, but the players in this forum are completely disregarding that, which is weird energy.

I'm glad gold for crown gifting actually became a thing as more players are able to get access to gold they actually needed and not be totally frustrated at the lack of funds anymore. One way or another, the players worked hard for that currency.

That's a large assumption that people are hurting for gold and that's why they sell crowns. It could be they sub for the craft bag and don't like anything in the crown store....