I think this system should be expanded to the whole of each city and/or build interiors. Many building interiors are close quarters and staircases that are clogged by the immense number of summons and large pets. It breaks immersion while questing and is annoying seeing bear bums while climbing stairs or seeing twilight wings flapping through walls and clogging corridors

I would love to have this option for trials as well as towns.

Lauranae wrote: »

Billium813 wrote: »

I think this system should be expanded to the whole of each city and/or build interiors. Many building interiors are close quarters and staircases that are clogged by the immense number of summons and large pets. It breaks immersion while questing and is annoying seeing bear bums while climbing stairs or seeing twilight wings flapping through walls and clogging corridors

The only issue i see here with this request, is that some houses are included in questing and full of enemies. So not able to be in with our fighting pet is not really a good option
Need to be certain that the tag building will be apply correctly

Not sure I understand the issue. According to the 8.2.0 patch update:

Your own pets will not be hidden if this option is turned on, and if a player whose pets are hidden gets into a duel or combat while near the affected objects, the pets will reappear.

If there is combat inside a home, then the pets would reappear. If you are worried about pets being hidden for yourself, it says that your own pets are not hidden by this new feature; only other players pets.

I just wonder if we are all part of a MMO!!

So we remove combats pets and i totally agree, but then

- we remove little companions
- we remove the companion - assistant
- and we remove mounts too may be for those funny players who dare entering the town on their mount and keep going anywhere with there mounts

no one asking to remove players yet ?

Lauranae wrote: »

I just wonder if we are all part of a MMO!!

So we remove combats pets and i totally agree, but then

- we remove little companions
- we remove the companion - assistant
- and we remove mounts too may be for those funny players who dare entering the town on their mount and keep going anywhere with there mounts

no one asking to remove players yet ?

Every player has their own personal limit on how much real estate they are willing to grant OTHER players on their screen. Always remember that each player only has 1 small window into the game and that is their experience with the game! By virtue of this being an MMO, I believe we are all accepting that each player is allowed 1 player model on our screen as a default amount of space. From there, I think it's entirely subjective. With a Companion, a summon pet, a non-combat pet, and a mount, many players on screen space utilization is 3 or more player models worth of space on other players screens! I would say that is more than the average person wants. Personally, my limit is 1 1/2 player models worth of space per 1 player. I enjoy non-combat pets because they are small and diverse enough to be interesting. I dislike companions because they seem to just clog up the world with fake people. But that's just my opinion.

I think it all comes down to model size and player distraction. Twilight Matriarchs, Bears, and Clannfears have such a large model that they take up too much space for other players. Twilight in particular also has a very active model that is distracting with the constant wing beating. These pets are hard for other players to ignore and distract those players from enjoying the world. Also, because they are so common, they are everywhere! They don't hold any fascination or interest to the player that has seen the same pet 1000 times in the last 30 minutes and has most likely had those pets block access to stations/totally consume the screen/clip through walls to break immersion.

Non-combat pets are often much different. They have smaller model sizes and less distracting animations. They are much more diverse, allowing for a more interesting experience for other players to observe them. They are often achievement or event specific, which adds to their exclusivity and the reason they are so diverse. However, I think most players that enjoy non-combat pets would start wanting them blocked too if their model was too large, or if the non-combat pet was too popular.

To be honest, I'm surprised ZOS is willing to hide the pets and isn't just selling new pet animations through their new "Customized Actions" feature. That would be one way to try to fix the issue, even if it wouldn't work in the long run. I'm sure it won't be long before we have custom Companion models and actions too.

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

At the very least, please extend this to the entire town, as you ALREADY do with companions. Companions are currently automatically suppressed in towns.

wait, what?? Did I miss something? How do I enable that? I know they did it for Fargrave (https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/591348/pc-mac-patch-notes-v7-2-6) for "performance reasons", but I don't remember them doing it for all cities.

Jayne_Doe wrote: »

Just having it for crafting areas is not enough, as other pain points in town are banks, which often are small areas. I will often port to another town if the bank I enter has several flappers in it. Also annoying are Undaunted enclaves. I was so looking forward to this update when I first read about suppressing pets in towns, as on the final day of the Undaunted event, there were no less than 10 flappers at the Grahtwood enclave.

Couldn't agree more! I'm sure the way this is implemented, developers define the area where pets phase in/out. Currently, they are limiting it to crafting areas, but I think it would be MUCH easier to just define the area as anywhere inside towns. If combat occurs, phase them back in. Otherwise, limit their existence to outside of town.

"Hey! We don't serve their kind here. Your [pets], they'll have to wait outside. We don't want them here."

Lauranae wrote: »

no one asking to remove players yet ?

I mean, that's been happening naturally, with every subsequent patch...

Just want to add my voice to those who think this "option" is pretty much useless as currently configured. Did a test today where I wandered around the Leyawiin crafting area with my pets out and a friend nearby. My pets kept popping in and out of view for my friend as I moved into and out of 'range' of the various stations. That's arguably more distracting than just having them there full-time, or it almost certainly will be on live when there are numerous sorcs and wardens in those areas quite often, so pets will be popping in and out of view constantly. Also, since it's basically just crafting stations and writ boards that appear to be affected, it doesn't help with the clusters of pets around merchants, bankers, quest givers in Undaunted areas, etc.

I'd recommend that you make it like companions where they don't appear in town (as you have named the feature, incidentally), but put a toggle on it. When it comes to dueling, if you accept a duel and have the toggle set to 'hide,' it's on you to be ready for the possibility that pets will pop up. If you plan to duel in town, turn the toggle off so you can see pets. Again, to those inclined to worry about this, the toggle only affects what you see as a player. It doesn't affect what other players see of your stuff unless they have set the toggle to hide.

And as some here have suggested, maybe have separate toggles for combat pets and non-combat pets.

Only hide combat pets, the rest are fine.

But no pets including non combat pets in banks, all livestock outside!

mbeetley_ESO wrote: »

Just want to add my voice to those who think this "option" is pretty much useless as currently configured. Did a test today where I wandered around the Leyawiin crafting area with my pets out and a friend nearby. My pets kept popping in and out of view for my friend as I moved into and out of 'range' of the various stations. That's arguably more distracting than just having them there full-time, or it almost certainly will be on live when there are numerous sorcs and wardens in those areas quite often, so pets will be popping in and out of view constantly. Also, since it's basically just crafting stations and writ boards that appear to be affected, it doesn't help with the clusters of pets around merchants, bankers, quest givers in Undaunted areas, etc.

I'd recommend that you make it like companions where they don't appear in town (as you have named the feature, incidentally), but put a toggle on it. When it comes to dueling, if you accept a duel and have the toggle set to 'hide,' it's on you to be ready for the possibility that pets will pop up. If you plan to duel in town, turn the toggle off so you can see pets. Again, to those inclined to worry about this, the toggle only affects what you see as a player. It doesn't affect what other players see of your stuff unless they have set the toggle to hide.

And as some here have suggested, maybe have separate toggles for combat pets and non-combat pets.

It seems that the way they coded this feature is based on radial distance around specific item locations (like crafting station or quest board). That's the easiest way to implement this feature without really having to do too much work. Granted, this would then automatically apply for things like crafting stations in player homes or future zone development, but it seems rather simplistic of a design. That simplistic design though is going to prevent them from expanding this "hide pets" feature in the way we all want... They can't hide pets everywhere in town because they need 1) a location 2) has to fit into a circle

If they really wanted to make this "hiding pets" a "feature" in the game, they would create a new developers tool that allows their zone creators to define whole areas to "reduce traffic". The developer working on the zone could define the area on the map and entire cities, which have irregular shapes, could just be restricted. Sort of like in photoshop how you can have multiple layers and removing graphix from the top layer exposes the bottom layer. They should have a "traffic" layer over their development map and zone developers paint defined areas on this layer that act as boundaries for pets.

Except they went with the [snip] route that severely restricts the possibilities of the feature. It makes sense, but it creates some annoying behaviors like having pets pop in/out of existence repeatedly because the crafting station "zone of no pets" don't overlap correctly.

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