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Notes on the Quitting ESO epidemic.
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BlackKnight556 wrote: »The case as I see it is that regardless of how many people feel done wrongly by the devs and want to quit there are just as many if not more people that either aren't paying attention or don't care and will continue playing regardless. This is why nothing will ever change and the devs will continue to do whatever they want irrespective of how the player base feels about it.
It isn't simply a case of people not paying attention or caring, it's that for those players who don't do PvP or competitive PvE these sorts of changes simply don't impact on their playstyle.2 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BlackKnight556 wrote: »The case as I see it is that regardless of how many people feel done wrongly by the devs and want to quit there are just as many if not more people that either aren't paying attention or don't care and will continue playing regardless. This is why nothing will ever change and the devs will continue to do whatever they want irrespective of how the player base feels about it.
It isn't simply a case of people not paying attention or caring, it's that for those players who don't do PvP or competitive PvE these sorts of changes simply don't impact on their playstyle.
This is not necessarily an accurate statement, globally. Just sayin'...XBox EU/NA:@ElsonsoJannus
PC NA/EU: @Elsonso
PSN NA/EU: @ElsonsoJannus
Total in-game hours: 11321
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Auldwulfe✭✭✭✭✭
✭martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »
DEVS, PLEASE..... let us have a hide your shoulder guards option like we have with helmets ... not all of us desire to be linebackers in a BloodBowl Game.
Auldwulfe
Of all the requests and issues raised by customers on the forums in the last 2 weeks I bet this is the one that the devs focus on
I know... but it's got to go someplace...LOL
Auldwulfe
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ezmaye✭✭✭I play almost exclusively PVP on NA PC. Since the patch I am still seeing the usual people in zone chat and groups so to me it doesn't appear that people are dropping off, but I know the sample is small.
Balance is obviously an issue, especially with the new sets. It's creating toxicity in chat especially when it's taking 20 of us to kill someone wearing maras. I personally just walk away after a minute or two but a lot of people complain and get riled up about it and I think that frustration is what will drive people away.
It's not fun when someone is nearly impossible to kill.
The last 2 nights I've barely gone into Cyro, and instead have been using my crafter to farm gear etc. I suspect I'll be doing that a but more until thr next patch.1 -
Auldwulfe✭✭✭✭✭
✭I play almost exclusively PVP on NA PC. Since the patch I am still seeing the usual people in zone chat and groups so to me it doesn't appear that people are dropping off, but I know the sample is small.
Balance is obviously an issue, especially with the new sets. It's creating toxicity in chat especially when it's taking 20 of us to kill someone wearing maras. I personally just walk away after a minute or two but a lot of people complain and get riled up about it and I think that frustration is what will drive people away.
It's not fun when someone is nearly impossible to kill.
The last 2 nights I've barely gone into Cyro, and instead have been using my crafter to farm gear etc. I suspect I'll be doing that a but more until thr next patch.
Good news is that Mara's is supposed to get a nerf somewhere around the 5th of September, so in a week, or so.....
I don't do a LOT of Cyro, and tend towards scout and quick missions, as I can often get more than 10 transmutes that way, faster and with less heartache than the random dungeons...... but I listen to people on chat wherever I go.....
Auldwulfe
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edward_frigidhands✭✭✭✭✭I play almost exclusively PVP on NA PC. Since the patch I am still seeing the usual people in zone chat and groups so to me it doesn't appear that people are dropping off, but I know the sample is small.
Balance is obviously an issue, especially with the new sets. It's creating toxicity in chat especially when it's taking 20 of us to kill someone wearing maras. I personally just walk away after a minute or two but a lot of people complain and get riled up about it and I think that frustration is what will drive people away.
It's not fun when someone is nearly impossible to kill.
The last 2 nights I've barely gone into Cyro, and instead have been using my crafter to farm gear etc. I suspect I'll be doing that a but more until thr next patch.
Good news is that Mara's is supposed to get a nerf somewhere around the 5th of September, so in a week, or so.....
I don't do a LOT of Cyro, and tend towards scout and quick missions, as I can often get more than 10 transmutes that way, faster and with less heartache than the random dungeons...... but I listen to people on chat wherever I go.....
Auldwulfe
Do you have a link for that information?
I couldn't locate notes.0 -
Auldwulfe✭✭✭✭✭
✭edward_frigidhands wrote: »I play almost exclusively PVP on NA PC. Since the patch I am still seeing the usual people in zone chat and groups so to me it doesn't appear that people are dropping off, but I know the sample is small.
Balance is obviously an issue, especially with the new sets. It's creating toxicity in chat especially when it's taking 20 of us to kill someone wearing maras. I personally just walk away after a minute or two but a lot of people complain and get riled up about it and I think that frustration is what will drive people away.
It's not fun when someone is nearly impossible to kill.
The last 2 nights I've barely gone into Cyro, and instead have been using my crafter to farm gear etc. I suspect I'll be doing that a but more until thr next patch.
Good news is that Mara's is supposed to get a nerf somewhere around the 5th of September, so in a week, or so.....
I don't do a LOT of Cyro, and tend towards scout and quick missions, as I can often get more than 10 transmutes that way, faster and with less heartache than the random dungeons...... but I listen to people on chat wherever I go.....
Auldwulfe
Do you have a link for that information?
I couldn't locate notes.
I had read that Gina had posted it somewhere, they had quoted her in the post --- now I can't remember where --- I will look for it, though, as it definitely gave me some hope on things.
Auldwulfe
Edited by Auldwulfe on August 31, 2022 11:07PM0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭BlackKnight556 wrote: »The case as I see it is that regardless of how many people feel done wrongly by the devs and want to quit there are just as many if not more people that either aren't paying attention or don't care and will continue playing regardless. This is why nothing will ever change and the devs will continue to do whatever they want irrespective of how the player base feels about it.
It isn't simply a case of people not paying attention or caring, it's that for those players who don't do PvP or competitive PvE these sorts of changes simply don't impact on their playstyle.
This is not necessarily an accurate statement, globally. Just sayin'...
That's a fair point, I should have said "for a lot of those players"...1 -
TaSheen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Gina's post on Mara:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/7695753#Comment_7695753______________________________________________________
"But even in books, the heroes make mistakes, and there isn't always a happy ending." Mercedes Lackey, Into the West
PC NA, PC EU (non steam)- four accounts, many alts....4 -
EldritchSun✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »
So the game Changed somewhat. It became, in Some respects, a bit more challenging. Isn't that Exactly what players have been clamoring for?? Too much content was not challenging enough ?? Well, they got what the wanted and now players want to quit ??
It isn't. Introducing harder enemies and new mechanics is a challenge. Nerfing players to the state they'd struggle to deal with the enemies they've dealt like 1000 times before is a cringe.22 -
K9002✭✭✭✭✭I've not quit but I've been in maintenance mode since shortly after the Deadlands update. Just grabbing the daily rewards and hireling mail, doing weekly endeavors and getting my event tickets.
Shortly after New Year I went back to another online game, which I've been actively playing ever since. I've been tired of the last few updates, it's not just U35. In the other game I'm always excited to watch a monthly development report video. Because bugfixes and various requested QoL features are gradually added to the game, and sometimes devs also introduce complete surprise additions which so far haven't been dreadful at all. This week it was announced that during the next balancing patch underperforming classes and weapons will be buffed to be on par with the more popular options. No sledgehammer nerfs, no need to dump old equipment, no need to relearn entire classes.19 -
Kalle_Demos✭✭✭✭✭I've not quit but I've been in maintenance mode since shortly after the Deadlands update. Just grabbing the daily rewards and hireling mail, doing weekly endeavors and getting my event tickets.
Shortly after New Year I went back to another online game, which I've been actively playing ever since. I've been tired of the last few updates, it's not just U35. In the other game I'm always excited to watch a monthly development report video. Because bugfixes and various requested QoL features are gradually added to the game, and sometimes devs also introduce complete surprise additions which so far haven't been dreadful at all. This week it was announced that during the next balancing patch underperforming classes and weapons will be buffed to be on par with the more popular options. No sledgehammer nerfs, no need to dump old equipment, no need to relearn entire classes.
This. Despite the dev's best efforts, the ES brand remains strong and will outlast their reign of terror. I have little desire to do anything other than gather endeavors and tickets. And I'm certainly not dropping any coins. High Isle or subs. As I've said before this model is unsustainable. Eventually the camel's back will break, if it hasn't already. Waiting out the storm.
"If I am to be Queen, I must look fear in the face and conquer it. How can I ask my people to have faith in me if I don't have faith in myself?" - Queen Ayrenn6 -
deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭Real quitters just quit!! They dont need any attention.. They dont need to go on and on and on on forums.. They just do it!.. THIS whatever u want to call it is simply scare tactics to try and manipulate ZOS into doing your bidding.. end of story!!
The game is fine and will be fine once all is tweaked as they have planned!12 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Kalle_Demos wrote: »I've not quit but I've been in maintenance mode since shortly after the Deadlands update. Just grabbing the daily rewards and hireling mail, doing weekly endeavors and getting my event tickets.
Shortly after New Year I went back to another online game, which I've been actively playing ever since. I've been tired of the last few updates, it's not just U35. In the other game I'm always excited to watch a monthly development report video. Because bugfixes and various requested QoL features are gradually added to the game, and sometimes devs also introduce complete surprise additions which so far haven't been dreadful at all. This week it was announced that during the next balancing patch underperforming classes and weapons will be buffed to be on par with the more popular options. No sledgehammer nerfs, no need to dump old equipment, no need to relearn entire classes.
This. Despite the dev's best efforts, the ES brand remains strong and will outlast their reign of terror. I have little desire to do anything other than gather endeavors and tickets. And I'm certainly not dropping any coins. High Isle or subs. As I've said before this model is unsustainable. Eventually the camel's back will break, if it hasn't already. Waiting out the storm.I've not quit but I've been in maintenance mode since shortly after the Deadlands update. Just grabbing the daily rewards and hireling mail, doing weekly endeavors and getting my event tickets.
Shortly after New Year I went back to another online game, which I've been actively playing ever since. I've been tired of the last few updates, it's not just U35. In the other game I'm always excited to watch a monthly development report video. Because bugfixes and various requested QoL features are gradually added to the game, and sometimes devs also introduce complete surprise additions which so far haven't been dreadful at all. This week it was announced that during the next balancing patch underperforming classes and weapons will be buffed to be on par with the more popular options. No sledgehammer nerfs, no need to dump old equipment, no need to relearn entire classes.
Kind of makes you wonder how good ESO could be with a more player friendly style, doesn’t it?13 -
peacenote✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Real quitters just quit!! They dont need any attention.. They dont need to go on and on and on on forums.. They just do it!.. THIS whatever u want to call it is simply scare tactics to try and manipulate ZOS into doing your bidding.. end of story!!
The game is fine and will be fine once all is tweaked as they have planned!
Have you been reading the threads? Some of us have been upset because PEOPLE WE KNOW have quit. Not once have I said that I have quit. I have cut back in playing because of U33, but my friends have quit because of U35. Gone. Given away their stuff. And as far as I have seen, you're right... they aren't on the forums or commenting.
I AM commenting because I'm still here and still playing and don't like the trend of seeing my friends quit. I'm not trying to manipulate anyone; I'm trying to raise awareness and help so that ZOS can make informed decisions with more data.
It's not true that everyone is quitting. It's not true that no one has quit. It's not true that everyone on the forums talking about players leaving are people who are lying about having quit. The game might be "fine" even if some folks quit but it would be better if those folks were still in our community.Edited by peacenote on September 1, 2022 3:39AM34 -
Lebkuchen✭✭✭✭✭Real quitters just quit!! They dont need any attention.. They dont need to go on and on and on on forums.. They just do it!.. THIS whatever u want to call it is simply scare tactics to try and manipulate ZOS into doing your bidding.. end of story!!
The game is fine and will be fine once all is tweaked as they have planned!
Have you been reading the threads? Some of us have been upset because PEOPLE WE KNOW have quit. Not once have I said that I have quit. I have cut back in playing because of U33, but my friends have quit because of U35. Gone. Given away their stuff. And as far as I have seen, you're right... they aren't on the forums or commenting.I AM commenting because I'm still here and still playing and don't like the trend of seeing my friends quit. I'm not trying to manipulate anyone; I'm trying to raise awareness and help so that ZOS can make informed decisions with more data.
It's not true that everyone is quitting. It's not true that no one has quit. It's not true that everyone on the forums talking about players leaving are people who are lying about having quit. The game might be "fine" even if some folks quit but it would be better if those folks were still in our community.
Exactly. [Snip]
[Editing for baiting]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on September 1, 2022 4:25PM4 -
deleted221205-002626✭✭✭✭✭
Exactly. [Snip]
You would be wrong!
But they need to fix many things not only the dps creep and they appear to be moving in that direction. now if they would only adjust core abilities down even further and then adjust CP upwards so what you choose actually matters, well have something decent to work with! Healers will be healers, DPS will be DPS and tanks will be tanks! This will adress many issue players have been complaining about such as but likly more:
-fake tank heals dps etc as you will not remotely be able to if your not spec'd into it properly!
-pvp ball groups where each member is not only high dps but high heals too and untouchable!
Were still easily 5x stronger than we were in 2014. noone right now can complain imo
[Edited quote]Edited by ZOS_Volpe on September 1, 2022 4:26PM2 -
SPR_of_HA_community✭✭✭✭This game have some interest for me, because I can have different sets, builds and skills If you have no option to have here all skills and sets you want - what is a reason in such game ?
You can play any other for that with better balance/combat and etc.
To kill "untouchable" - players with hots ? Easy - just debuff skill that revert HOTs and shielding to oblivion damage.
With the skill that mass explode when is purged
Easy fix.
Fake tanks - are really words with no real meaning.
DD can tank, the same time Tank can just stand and do nothing.0 -
IZZEFlameLash✭✭✭✭✭
✭SPR_of_HA_community wrote: »This game have some interest for me, because I can have different sets, builds and skills If you have no option to have here all skills and sets you want - what is a reason in such game ?
You can play any other for that with better balance/combat and etc.
To kill "untouchable" - players with hots ? Easy - just debuff skill that revert HOTs and shielding to oblivion damage.
With the skill that mass explode when is purged
Easy fix.
Fake tanks - are really words with no real meaning.
DD can tank, the same time Tank can just stand and do nothing.
No thanks, we don't need OP set like that. Crossheals nerf would have sufficed instead of nerfing the HoTs themselves as they don't do much on their own. They become potent when everyone in the group runs the same heals and stack on each other with that heal. That 2k per tick becoming 6k per tick with 3 of those same heals from other people due to stacking is the problem. Simple solution would have been to make the same heals have limited stackability. But nah, let's go nerf Regeneration morphs and skill to uselessness.Edited by IZZEFlameLash on September 1, 2022 9:50AMImperials, the one and true masters of all mortal races of Tamriel1 -
Kingsindarkness✭✭✭✭✭I dunno, Craglorn, Daggerfall and High Isle was jammed packed on NA PC last night
Just sayin...1 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭And to add to what I said, above.
Many people have said to me, "what does it matter if (insert your favorite derogatory comment about upper play groups here) all leave... I don't do raids".
Well, you DO like crafting motifs, and you DO like having some of the style pages that are gated behind those raids.
"I'll buy them via the guild stores".... which works until no one is running them, to gain those motifs and styles, and they are not being sold anymore.
At that point, the ONLY option is when ZOS makes them crown store items, or available via endeavors, since the crown crates are very poor return on investment. So, yes, even casuals will be affected by this change.... maybe not immediately... but eventually, it will lead to lower access to things they want, as the suppliers for those items will have gone.
We are ALL a community, and the loss of any part does, indeed, hurt the whole.
Auldwulfe
Ahhhh, those motifs are over priced anyways. There are plenty of good looking motifs to choose from without spending half a mil or more. 1 -
sbr32✭✭✭✭Kingsindarkness wrote: »I dunno, Craglorn, Daggerfall and High Isle was jammed packed on NA PC last night
Just sayin...
The small instanced shards you were on were packed. You cannot yell anything about the overall game's population based on the instance you are in20 -
alanmatillab16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Epidemic? more like the same minor sniffle that happened with AWA and Bosmer losing their stealth passive.2
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Kingsindarkness✭✭✭✭✭Kingsindar
kness wrote: »I dunno, Craglorn, Daggerfall and High Isle was jammed packed on NA PC last night
Just sayin...
The small instanced shards you were on were packed. You cannot yell anything about the overall game's population based on the instance you are in
Well everyone seemed happy so there is that. I made some new friends and tomorrow were going to Role Play in Death's Valor Keep together.
Edited by Kingsindarkness on September 1, 2022 1:10PM3 -
Anfieldkris✭✭✭Kingsindarkness wrote: »Kingsindar kness wrote: »I dunno, Craglorn, Daggerfall and High Isle was jammed packed on NA PC last night
Just sayin...
The small instanced shards you were on were packed. You cannot yell anything about the overall game's population based on the instance you are in
Well everyone seemed happy so there is that. I made some new friends and tomorrow were going to Role Play in Death's Valor Keep together.
At the risk of stating the obvious, those people (who hadn’t left) seemed happy, which is great and good to hear. Those people who have left may have seemed less happy, but having left, were not around to seem happy or otherwise.
(Edited due to autocorrect - grrrrr).Edited by Anfieldkris on September 1, 2022 1:15PM16 -
alanmatillab16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Kingsindarkness wrote: »I dunno, Craglorn, Daggerfall and High Isle was jammed packed on NA PC last night
Just sayin...
The small instanced shards you were on were packed. You cannot yell anything about the overall game's population based on the instance you are in
You could say similar to those that claim the game is dying because a few of their friends left
"The small groups you play with do not represent the overall games population therefore you cannot yell anything".
Change instances a few times and you will still see crowds of players.2 -
Ghaleb✭✭✭✭✭alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »
Highlight by me in sbr32’s text. He didn't state anything different and the forum and threads have circled now one too many times around this item. Same with people not knowing that the trial dummy has been buffed with up to 20% dps increase when stating nothing has changed for them.
We don’t know how many active and paying players ESO has. I assume they would be boasting about the numbers if it would be close to or above 1 million. As they are dead silent on that, I assume it is nowhere near that. More we can’t say / assume. 🤷🏻♂️
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SydneyGrey✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I've played ESO for six years, and in all that time it was my favorite game.
Three weeks ago I started playing Guild Wars 2. I'm not leaving ESO permanently, but I definitely need a temporary change.
I'm tired of the constant giant nerfs. Sometimes it seems like they nerf and buff things just for the heck of it, just for the sake of changing things.
Also, it seems like they don't care about little things like making horses that actually look like horses (why do the hind legs still look so deformed after all these years?), or giving us decent hairstyles (literally every other game I've played has better hair). I know those two things just seem like minor things to a lot of people, but it's important to some of us.
By the way, Guild Wars 2 isn't any better of a game than ESO, so I'll probably be back to ESO again in a month or so. I think I'd rate the two games about the same, although ESO has a far superior housing system.5 -
SPR_of_HA_community✭✭✭✭alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »
Highlight by me in sbr32’s text. He didn't state anything different and the forum and threads have circled now one too many times around this item. Same with people not knowing that the trial dummy has been buffed with up to 20% dps increase when stating nothing has changed for them.
We don’t know how many active and paying players ESO has. I assume they would be boasting about the numbers if it would be close to or above 1 million. As they are dead silent on that, I assume it is nowhere near that. More we can’t say / assume. 🤷🏻♂️
Topic that some one post here shows 36/64 Steam/Site players.
If some players have ban on forum and some part of steam players do not use it and even do not use official site we can think that real numbers are a little different.
The same poll on reddit I see had about 50/50 numbers that I think is more correct.
So for PC online we can double steam numbers with some +- correction to it.
The same time there are players on Xbox and Play station, I do not know any numbers about them.Edited by SPR_of_HA_community on September 1, 2022 6:07PM3 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SPR_of_HA_community wrote: »alanmatillab16_ESO wrote: »
Highlight by me in sbr32’s text. He didn't state anything different and the forum and threads have circled now one too many times around this item. Same with people not knowing that the trial dummy has been buffed with up to 20% dps increase when stating nothing has changed for them.
We don’t know how many active and paying players ESO has. I assume they would be boasting about the numbers if it would be close to or above 1 million. As they are dead silent on that, I assume it is nowhere near that. More we can’t say / assume. 🤷🏻♂️
Topic that some one post here shows 36/64 Steam/Site players.
If some players have ban on forum and some part of steam players do not use it and even do not use official site we can think that real numbers are a little different.
The same poll on reddit I see had about 50/50 numbers that I think is more correct.
So for PC online we can double steam numbers with some +- correction to it.
The same time there are players on Xbox and Play station, I do not know any numbers about them.
Doesn't all that rather depend on what percentage of the playerbase actually post on the forum or Reddit? If you can't provide those statistics then you're whistling into the wind so far as guessing how representative the forum and Reddit are of the overall playerbase.1