https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609192/cleanest-fix-for-broakensoul-have-some-of-the-buffs-only-apply-when-battle-spirit-is-not-present
pretty much the best fix i saw atm
In short:
While PvE: Major Berserk, Force, Heroism
While PVP: the rest
MentalxHammer wrote: »This mythic has been balanced around PvE and should remain there. How do we balance the item without nerfing it? Deactivate it via battle spirit entirely. It is destroying the integrity of PvP in this game.
MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609192/cleanest-fix-for-broakensoul-have-some-of-the-buffs-only-apply-when-battle-spirit-is-not-present
pretty much the best fix i saw atm
In short:
While PvE: Major Berserk, Force, Heroism
While PVP: the rest
Remove Heroism and you kill the appeal in PvP. As others have said Heroism is a rare buff. As such removing this and keeping easy to get buffs negates it’s appeal. If some buffs are easy enough to get on a two bar setup, then why bother with this ring at all?
The ring must offer something to offset losing a second bar and what it offers must be something not easily obtainable on a regular two bar setup.
Guaranteed that removing Heroism might kill this ring. Berserk and Force are honestly more of an issue. Berserk and Force are way more powerful, Heroism gets attention because how it is combined with these other buffs.
NordSwordnBoard wrote: »MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609192/cleanest-fix-for-broakensoul-have-some-of-the-buffs-only-apply-when-battle-spirit-is-not-present
pretty much the best fix i saw atm
In short:
While PvE: Major Berserk, Force, Heroism
While PVP: the rest
Remove Heroism and you kill the appeal in PvP. As others have said Heroism is a rare buff. As such removing this and keeping easy to get buffs negates it’s appeal. If some buffs are easy enough to get on a two bar setup, then why bother with this ring at all?
The ring must offer something to offset losing a second bar and what it offers must be something not easily obtainable on a regular two bar setup.
Guaranteed that removing Heroism might kill this ring. Berserk and Force are honestly more of an issue. Berserk and Force are way more powerful, Heroism gets attention because how it is combined with these other buffs.
Removing heroism might keep the ring on the hands that need it the most and off the hands of the ZOS referenced sweaty APM folks. You could also substitute in the slayer buff for any losses the PvE crowd feels.
People are reporting getting ultimate from riding past wolves ffs.
MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609192/cleanest-fix-for-broakensoul-have-some-of-the-buffs-only-apply-when-battle-spirit-is-not-present
pretty much the best fix i saw atm
In short:
While PvE: Major Berserk, Force, Heroism
While PVP: the rest
Remove Heroism and you kill the appeal in PvP. As others have said Heroism is a rare buff. As such removing this and keeping easy to get buffs negates it’s appeal. If some buffs are easy enough to get on a two bar setup, then why bother with this ring at all?
The ring must offer something to offset losing a second bar and what it offers must be something not easily obtainable on a regular two bar setup.
Guaranteed that removing Heroism might kill this ring. Berserk and Force are honestly more of an issue. Berserk and Force are way more powerful, Heroism gets attention because how it is combined with these other buffs.
NordSwordnBoard wrote: »MindOfTheSwarm wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/609192/cleanest-fix-for-broakensoul-have-some-of-the-buffs-only-apply-when-battle-spirit-is-not-present
pretty much the best fix i saw atm
In short:
While PvE: Major Berserk, Force, Heroism
While PVP: the rest
Remove Heroism and you kill the appeal in PvP. As others have said Heroism is a rare buff. As such removing this and keeping easy to get buffs negates it’s appeal. If some buffs are easy enough to get on a two bar setup, then why bother with this ring at all?
The ring must offer something to offset losing a second bar and what it offers must be something not easily obtainable on a regular two bar setup.
Guaranteed that removing Heroism might kill this ring. Berserk and Force are honestly more of an issue. Berserk and Force are way more powerful, Heroism gets attention because how it is combined with these other buffs.
Removing heroism might keep the ring on the hands that need it the most and off the hands of the ZOS referenced sweaty APM folks. You could also substitute in the slayer buff for any losses the PvE crowd feels.
People are reporting getting ultimate from riding past wolves ffs.
Removing Heroism and Force and adding Major Slayer would be interesting. Would open up the option to not need to run a slayer set for solo play, which opens up build options. Maybe just throw in Major Aegis as well. Both would only work in PVE anyways.
El_Borracho wrote: »How about this: keep it the same and just deal with in in PVP. The same way PVE-heavy players have to deal with every single nerf and change due to PVP. "Crimson Twilight is OP." "A werewolf killed me again." "Elf Bane and Zaan is unfair." Heck, 2 weeks ago you would have thought being a stam sorc in Cyrodiil was god mode. Enough already.
Oakensoul is a great mythic and one that works extraordinarily well in PVE content like VMA. It does not need to be changed. I think its fair to say that most PVE and a lot of PVP players really don't care if its OP in PVP. And everyone knows that if they nerf Oakensoul to meet the demands of the vocal minority, that same minority will move on to complaining about something else.
El_Borracho wrote: »How about this: keep it the same and just deal with in in PVP. The same way PVE-heavy players have to deal with every single nerf and change due to PVP. "Crimson Twilight is OP." "A werewolf killed me again." "Elf Bane and Zaan is unfair." Heck, 2 weeks ago you would have thought being a stam sorc in Cyrodiil was god mode. Enough already.
Oakensoul is a great mythic and one that works extraordinarily well in PVE content like VMA. It does not need to be changed. I think its fair to say that most PVE and a lot of PVP players really don't care if its OP in PVP. And everyone knows that if they nerf Oakensoul to meet the demands of the vocal minority, that same minority will move on to complaining about something else.
IZZEFlameLash wrote: »If they remove Heroism or any other major buffs, it isn't worth slotting something that limits you to one bar. Period. Only way it is currently worth it is because it provides major buffs to people that have little to no access to such buffs. If they change everything to minor, then it better have no bar restrictions to make it worth the slot. Or else it is an instant trash.
I would consider giving it the Daedric Trickery treatment:
Each time you deal damage, get one of the offensive buffs for X seconds, once each Y seconds.
Each time you take damage, get one of the defensive buffs for X seconds, once each Y seconds.
Still waiting on someone to explain how its ruining PVP rather than parroting the same tired baseless accusations.