ATTN : ZOS DEVS - Petrified Oak Loop lead HUB AutoLoot Trolling

doesurmindglow · June 2022

They should just make it so only the person who unlocked the box is eligible to loot it.

Won't solve the problem totally but it's a step in the right direction for sure.

doesurmindglow · June 2022

darvaria wrote: »

Several people have considered getting this DLC just to get that ring.

Do NOT get it.

A complete mess. Everyone is unclear but it seems only the picker of the lock actually loots the clue.

ZOS: Fix this immediately. Make it in all chests in zone and make drop rate 50% or higher. You have essentially ruined the excitement of this DLC for most players now.

This solution is better still. Increase the drop chance and expand the number of boxes where the lead drops both seem like obvious and needed interventions.

Jaimeh · June 2022

SilverBride wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I do understand and I still feel that no one can demand that a player goes along with their plan to leave loot so others could keep opening the chest. This isn't the way these chests are intended to work and I think they need to fix them so it doesn't.

You are honestly in defense of someone looting 250 gold and a blue item from a chest in Murkmire, when they are the source of the most sought after lead right now, and doing it with the sole purpose to troll people?

In my opinion the players trying to force others into a questionable activity and becoming hostile if they don't go along with it are the trolls.

Jaimeh wrote: »

Yes, ZOS should have found another way, and yes, you are entitled to loot a chest when you open, it but when the situation is like that, and when it drops such a rare lead, it's courteous and in good sportsmanship to let others there check it.

This has nothing to do with sportsmanship and the player opening a box has no obligation to a group of strangers surrounding him and making demands.

That's the difference: you see it as an obligation, I see it as helping each other against a bad design, and finding a way in which everybody wins. The same way that a dungeon will allow players to run ahead--they don't have an obligation to stay and kill the trash packs in, say, Tempest Island, but do so anyway to help a player (a stranger, like you said) start the quest, because to start the quest the beach has to be cleared of lamias. I don't think looting a chest for the purpose of annoying people is good behaviour, and that's the sole reason the person in question did it, given their rude comments in the chat. I think it's a self-evident situation, but apparently being contrary just for the sake of being contrary is OK.

doesurmindglow · June 2022

fred4 wrote: »

While ZOS strive for some semblance of balance, they also consistently put out items that are at best, shall we say, unknown quantities or, at worst, deliberately overtuned. This appears to be one such item. I, for one, want to see it for myself. As an endgame player and mostly PvPer, I have zero interest in the new zone nor the card game nor the trial. I bought the expansion for the mythics.

I think the pay to win aspect of these mythics and the other sets from new content probably needs more attention. A pretty clear pattern has emerged where sets released behind a paywall will be stronger than those that are not, and further, that they will only be balanced after that paywall has been fully exploited and in preparation for the next one.

The glaring example of this was the successive Bahsei nerfs, which came only very recently despite it being obvious and called out by players from week 2 of the Blackwood PTS that it would be strong to the point of clearly best-in-slot, and it was only after the chapter had been substantially discounted that adjustments were made both to it and to other sets to remove it from that position.

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2022

kojou wrote: »

Pepegrillos wrote: »

The amount of people with macros that spam E to get the box first is insane. I even saw a streamer making one live.

I enjoy placing the Mystery Meat memento at spawn locations so that people with macros will pick it up. I find it hilarious to watch them puke.

Haven't used that one, but I remember during the shadowfen fiasco, you could use interactable mementos to lure an AFK player away from the spawn point. Each time they interact, they move a bit. Do it long enough and you could drag them far enough away so the spawn point was all yours. Not that I would ever engage in such activity...

Jaimeh · June 2022

Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »

kojou wrote: »

Pepegrillos wrote: »

The amount of people with macros that spam E to get the box first is insane. I even saw a streamer making one live.

I enjoy placing the Mystery Meat memento at spawn locations so that people with macros will pick it up. I find it hilarious to watch them puke.

Haven't used that one, but I remember during the shadowfen fiasco, you could use interactable mementos to lure an AFK player away from the spawn point. Each time they interact, they move a bit. Do it long enough and you could drag them far enough away so the spawn point was all yours. Not that I would ever engage in such activity...

Yeah, I remember a few players running around throwing the pillar memento from KA, because it surrounds you with prompts, to move players away from nodes.

PDarkBHood · June 2022

Taking all this in good stride! I picked the lock, twice(!!) and no lead. Will go back at a later date when the crowds go down. Right now, I have only 1 character and he has everything he needs and I don't want to remove anything to make way for this ring, maybe later. I do not envy those with multiple characters having to farm this lead, WOW.

WeylandLabs · June 2022

Here's your proof !

WeylandLabs · June 2022

My question to the ZOS team is this considered " harassment " since so many have already gotten it and continue to sit on boxes trolling players that haven't gotten it ?

I say that because if Nightblades can be temp banned for focusing one player killing them over and over in pvp that is harassment ? As its interfering with the game *

Why would or wouldn't this be the same thing ?

wolfie1.0. · June 2022

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

My question to the ZOS team is this considered " harassment " since so many have already gotten it and continue to sit on boxes trolling players that haven't gotten it ?

I say that because if Nightblades can be temp banned for focusing one player killing them over and over in pvp that is harassment ? As its interfering with the game *

Why would or wouldn't this be the same thing ?

Have you reported it?

SilverBride · June 2022

Jaimeh wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

This has nothing to do with sportsmanship and the player opening a box has no obligation to a group of strangers surrounding him and making demands.

That's the difference: you see it as an obligation, I see it as helping each other against a bad design, and finding a way in which everybody wins.

In my opinion it is doing something that I very much doubt was the intended purpose and using it to an unfair advantage, then expecting others to go along with it.

WeylandLabs · June 2022

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

My question to the ZOS team is this considered " harassment " since so many have already gotten it and continue to sit on boxes trolling players that haven't gotten it ?

I say that because if Nightblades can be temp banned for focusing one player killing them over and over in pvp that is harassment ? As its interfering with the game *

Why would or wouldn't this be the same thing ?

Have you reported it?

Building cases ... you cant report it your feelings are hurt ! Got to be sensible and logistical.

karekiz · June 2022

We have come to the point where players are actively petitioning players for having an in game option turned on.

Its poor design by devs, and obviously a group who were more concerned with getting a card game that's going to be DoA in 4 months "Just right". Maybe instead of spending 45 minutes to explain a turn in the card game they could have spent 45 minutes with AI bots seeing how much a cluster the lockbox system would have been.

StihlReign · June 2022

The lead should've been in the card game...

xaraan · June 2022

I mean, autoloot is not trolling.

I'm not even sure how anyone would know not to do this. (For example, I don't keep zone chat open because it's normally a cesspool).

The only problem with this lead is zos and the fact they put it in a safebox of a tiny zone. They need to get it together on leads for mythics and come up with something less frustrating. There are leads from a year ago I have yet to get from group content b/c of bad RNG.

Arunei · June 2022

I don't understand this. They had this exact problem with the Shadowfen lead before that only dropped from water plants, and they had to change it to make it easier for people to get. How on earth did they come to the decision to make the same mistake essentially? They keep having this issue where they do X that causes a huge problem, only to repeat that same thing at some point in the future. Like how Worn Cult got moved to only the grab bags this year, when they had the same issue with making Hollowjack drop like that before and then had to change how people got it.

Jaraal · June 2022

Well I have no interest in the Oakensoul mythic but with all this hype I think I’ll join the looting competition!

You can get the lead with Force Lock, correct?

fred4 · June 2022

doesurmindglow wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

While ZOS strive for some semblance of balance, they also consistently put out items that are at best, shall we say, unknown quantities or, at worst, deliberately overtuned. This appears to be one such item. I, for one, want to see it for myself. As an endgame player and mostly PvPer, I have zero interest in the new zone nor the card game nor the trial. I bought the expansion for the mythics.

I think the pay to win aspect of these mythics and the other sets from new content probably needs more attention. A pretty clear pattern has emerged where sets released behind a paywall will be stronger than those that are not, and further, that they will only be balanced after that paywall has been fully exploited and in preparation for the next one.

The glaring example of this was the successive Bahsei nerfs, which came only very recently despite it being obvious and called out by players from week 2 of the Blackwood PTS that it would be strong to the point of clearly best-in-slot, and it was only after the chapter had been substantially discounted that adjustments were made both to it and to other sets to remove it from that position.

There have also been things that were stillborn, either because they were nerfed in the PTS cycle or because they were never any good to begin with. Soldier of Anguish is an example of the former. I think it's probably more accurate to say that no one has a firm handle on balance until an item has been used on live. Not ZOS. Not the players. Perhaps that was easier to see on the PTS for Bahsei though, e.g. from parses, than for a PvP item. Open world PvP is notoriously hard to replicate on the PTS.

Personally I find balance issues more egregious in PvP. Maybe that's because I have no affinity for competitive PvE. I don't personally like sets like Bahsei, due to the micro-management, and have heard that argument from others who aren't super competitive PvEers. Like I've recommended to a budding solo player, who singled out Bahsei for his own use. Don't use it for that. It's a maninly a set for organised group play where you sustain from synergies and, thereby, have a way of controlling your magicka level.

At the end of the day I probably wouldn't be happy if new mythics weren't at least somewhat exciting. Performance matters. You can't make something exciting if there isn't a payoff in at least some (niche) build. That leaves ZOS open to accusations of pay-to-win every time they release something worthwhile. Maybe Oakensoul didn't need to be that item. It could have been tuned purely as an accessibility tool, but it's more than that. This makes it interesting for the theory crafter. Cutting builds down to one bar may not be exciting to play in the long run, but it certainly makes for an interesting build-crafting challenge. It may also serve as a workaround for high lag.

WeylandLabs · June 2022

xaraan wrote: »

I mean, autoloot is not trolling.

I'm not even sure how anyone would know not to do this. (For example, I don't keep zone chat open because it's normally a cesspool).

The only problem with this lead is zos and the fact they put it in a safebox of a tiny zone. They need to get it together on leads for mythics and come up with something less frustrating. There are leads from a year ago I have yet to get from group content b/c of bad RNG.

Took me 2 days to get the lead sitting on boxes for 12hrs a day - but what I'm stating is people that don't have high isle can troll you and autoloot the boxes to block you from even looking inside if you didn't pick it.

The best way to get the lead is to be the one to pick it first. But they can troll you from looking inside if they are bored or want to be awful humans.

Insignia91 · June 2022

Not everyone has 12 hours a day to sit on a stupid box and wait for a spawn that is random for a chance to pick it.

This needs to be fixed and designed better. I am thinking of quitting the game at this point. With the horrible design and trolls throwing campfires on the spawn locations I have had enough frustration in the last 2 days to last me 10 years.

Mr_Stach · June 2022

Arunei wrote: »

I don't understand this. They had this exact problem with the Shadowfen lead before that only dropped from water plants, and they had to change it to make it easier for people to get. How on earth did they come to the decision to make the same mistake essentially? They keep having this issue where they do X that causes a huge problem, only to repeat that same thing at some point in the future. Like how Worn Cult got moved to only the grab bags this year, when they had the same issue with making Hollowjack drop like that before and then had to change how people got it.

Jeffrey530 · June 2022

Jaimeh wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Jaimeh wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

I do understand and I still feel that no one can demand that a player goes along with their plan to leave loot so others could keep opening the chest. This isn't the way these chests are intended to work and I think they need to fix them so it doesn't.

You are honestly in defense of someone looting 250 gold and a blue item from a chest in Murkmire, when they are the source of the most sought after lead right now, and doing it with the sole purpose to troll people?

In my opinion the players trying to force others into a questionable activity and becoming hostile if they don't go along with it are the trolls.

Jaimeh wrote: »

Yes, ZOS should have found another way, and yes, you are entitled to loot a chest when you open, it but when the situation is like that, and when it drops such a rare lead, it's courteous and in good sportsmanship to let others there check it.

This has nothing to do with sportsmanship and the player opening a box has no obligation to a group of strangers surrounding him and making demands.

That's the difference: you see it as an obligation, I see it as helping each other against a bad design, and finding a way in which everybody wins. The same way that a dungeon will allow players to run ahead--they don't have an obligation to stay and kill the trash packs in, say, Tempest Island, but do so anyway to help a player (a stranger, like you said) start the quest, because to start the quest the beach has to be cleared of lamias. I don't think looting a chest for the purpose of annoying people is good behaviour, and that's the sole reason the person in question did it, given their rude comments in the chat. I think it's a self-evident situation, but apparently being contrary just for the sake of being contrary is OK.

You can help, and is nice of you to help but why expect others to do the same? If someone got to the loot first they have all the right to take that 250 gold and whatever item is in it.

lolvrangsinn · June 2022

When the lead was first discovered, I made a beeline and camped the first day for 5 hours. Never got to open a box. For a brief time, I was with a group nice enough to allow everyone present to have a peek.

In the middle of the next night, I had another go at it (server time 2am-6am). Actually got to open the box this time. Nine times, to be exact. No lead. Nine unlocks - nothing.

I checked to make sure it didn't sneak up on me and wasn't already in my list. It was not. I also did not have any other digs in progress.

So nevermind the putting up with the childish people spamming suspicious meat and obnoxious skills and bears and twilights and everything else. Despite it, I sprained a finger smashing E and my RNG was so bad, I got nothing for my trouble.

So I'm not going back. lol Fuggitaboutit.

xaraan · June 2022

Shokasegambit1 wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

I mean, autoloot is not trolling.

I'm not even sure how anyone would know not to do this. (For example, I don't keep zone chat open because it's normally a cesspool).

The only problem with this lead is zos and the fact they put it in a safebox of a tiny zone. They need to get it together on leads for mythics and come up with something less frustrating. There are leads from a year ago I have yet to get from group content b/c of bad RNG.

Took me 2 days to get the lead sitting on boxes for 12hrs a day - but what I'm stating is people that don't have high isle can troll you and autoloot the boxes to block you from even looking inside if you didn't pick it.

The best way to get the lead is to be the one to pick it first. But they can troll you from looking inside if they are bored or want to be awful humans.

Well, if there is anyone in Murkmire right now that isn't farming the lead, they yea, they probably are there to troll because that zone is normally dead when no event is going on. I've been there several times in the past months and never see more than like 5-6 people in the zone.

BUT, there are also a ton of people that will have no idea about what you are saying that are just autolooting b/c that is how they have their stuff set up and don't know and don't open forums or zone chat to see, etc.

So yea, you'll definitely have some trolls, but the folks acting like auto loot = trolling are just plain wrong.

Durham · June 2022

Mr_Stach wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

IMHO the players are doing it to themselves. What I mean is, you don't need to jump onto the bandwagon with everyone else and drive yourself crazy with grinding for whatever it is that Everyone(TM) is grinding for. ... It amazes me how Everyone(TM) knows exactly where and how each new lead drops as soon as a new chapter or DLC drops, and then Everyone(TM) immediately starts grinding for the mythics.

This ring may well be a meta PvP item. For others it may be the ticket to their first veteran solo arena completion. It looks to be OP and will quite possibly exist in this form for 3 months only. That is why people are jumping on it. While ZOS strive for some semblance of balance, they also consistently put out items that are at best, shall we say, unknown quantities or, at worst, deliberately overtuned. This appears to be one such item. I, for one, want to see it for myself. As an endgame player and mostly PvPer, I have zero interest in the new zone nor the card game nor the trial. I bought the expansion for the mythics.

Oakensoul is basically a Crutch Item. It will not outperform an Optimized build in either PvE or PvP. It will definitely help people who have a hard time with rotations or other people who have a hard time bar switching.

I have Arthritis in my hands, I'm going to use a Oakensoul Build when that acts up but if I seriously want to perform well the rings coming off.

In pvp you are giving up too many slots, which typically means you'll be giving up either Defensive or Offensive tools.

I'm not saying it won't be good, it obviously is and people will want it in their tool kit to use, but it will by no means be Meta Defining.

Oakensoul is basically a Crutch Item. It will not outperform an Optimized build in either PvE or PvP. It will definitely help people who have a hard time with rotations or other people who have a hard time bar switching.

Already there are builds out there where it is outperforming 2 bar setups. 1 DK build is insane at the moment. Also, sorc builds!

Elo106 · June 2022

Dont hate the player, hate the game

Bottlenecking the lead like this, forcing everyone to sit there hitting E for hours is the problem, bad game design

Androrix · June 2022

I really don't understand the need for such an all powerful item (and I play single bar). The explanations have not persuaded me that this is anything but power creep. What is being reported here backs that up.

Pale order ring...sorry, but nobody loves you anymore.

Iselin · June 2022

Came here just to get some clarity on whether the lead from one box can drop for more than one person or just the lock picker.

So which is it?

Iselin · June 2022

Androrix wrote: »

Pale order ring...sorry, but nobody loves you anymore.

I do lol. It will still be my prefered WB solo ring.

Oakensoul is interesting and I want to use it to check it out but I doubt it will replace Pale Order on most of my solo builds.

Holycannoli · June 2022

Androrix wrote: »

I really don't understand the need for such an all powerful item (and I play single bar). The explanations have not persuaded me that this is anything but power creep. What is being reported here backs that up.

Pale order ring...sorry, but nobody loves you anymore.

When Oakensoul is nerfed Pale Order may come back into vogue.