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There is a real problem on Auriel's Bow
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Marstar✭Make your own bloody competition if things aren't owning up.
Make our own competition?
10 pages into this thread we've asked once per page how that is to be achieved ... not 1 logical reply.
Go ahead genius. Map it out for us.Lord_Draevan wrote: »I can't speak for the other people on this thread, but my problem isn't with the time zones. It's when nearly every AD player piles onto the same server, outnumbering us about 10-1 every night, then complain when the server gets abandoned and ask us to leave servers where we're having good competition and come back to Auriel's because they're bored.
Oh, and when they call EP an DC "***" for abandoning the server, utterly ignoring the fact the AD has abandoned 5 servers so far. That's a good one too.
We don't care how many people leave from the America(s) Times Zones. That is irrelevant. We care how many leave from the Oce/SEA timezone to hide on Campaigns where THEY become the zerg faction. We've witnessed this on Bloodthorne and Wabbajack.
There aren't enough of them for use to make it a 'HOME' campaign. However there are enough of them combined to make a difference to the environment on AB.
Don't kid yourself that people leaving AB to play on a map that's painted there own color "all night" is justified.
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Istvar✭Make your own bloody competition if things aren't owning up.
Make our own competition?
10 pages into this thread we've asked once per page how that is to be achieved ... not 1 logical reply.
Go ahead genius. Map it out for us.
DiE, The Elite, Synapse, TRF all rolling on the same faction yet again might have something to do with your problem
it's not like u guys didn;t know from gw2 what was going to happen.
Let's face it you guys say you are after competition now but when picking your faction together with the other guilds above you pretty much alrdy made sure there would be none
which "big australian pvp guild" that u know of said they'd be rolling ep or dc?
DiE is the biggest zerg guild australia has to offer and thats fine by me, that's how they like to play and that's cool but what made u think just for a second that with the biggest AUS "pvp" guild on your faction you would be the underdog and facing hard competition?0 -
Rackiera✭✭✭Simple answer, motivate your guild and faction to fight, if the other side has more motivated players joining pvp they have more numbers, its not the mechanic that's wrong.
If a guild decides to stay awake all night to get your scroll then good for them, organise a late night raid yourself ..1 -
This is a classic problem that has been talked to death in GW2. Servers are 24/7. Americans who think that the world revolves around them need a dose of reality. Your bedtime is my prime time. This can never be solved unless one campaign has a good balance on all 3 factions on American, European and Oceanic so yeah its impossible
Unless they only make one campaign for Cyrodiil1 -
Sylvanna✭edit: nvm not even gonna bother, pvp in this game is just a steaming pos anyways lolMake your own bloody competition if things aren't owning up.
Make our own competition?
10 pages into this thread we've asked once per page how that is to be achieved ... not 1 logical reply.
Go ahead genius. Map it out for us.
DiE, The Elite, Synapse, TRF all rolling on the same faction yet again might have something to do with your problem
it's not like u guys didn;t know from gw2 what was going to happen.
Let's face it you guys say you are after competition now but when picking your faction together with the other guilds above you pretty much alrdy made sure there would be none
which "big australian pvp guild" that u know of said they'd be rolling ep or dc?
DiE is the biggest zerg guild australia has to offer and thats fine by me, that's how they like to play and that's cool but what made u think just for a second that with the biggest AUS "pvp" guild on your faction you would be the underdog and facing hard competition?
I'm flattered that you think we have so many people in PvP every night. Like I've mentioned before, our raid of 24 has been mistaken as a zerg of 100 a few times.
/shrug
Can't teach people how to count.
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Istvar✭edit: nvm not even gonna bother, pvp in this game is just a steaming pos anyways lol
I'm flattered that you think we have so many people in PvP every night. Like I've mentioned before, our raid of 24 has been mistaken as a zerg of 100 a few times.
/shrug
Can't teach people how to count.
sigh, u keep giving the same answers and refusing to see the point of what other ppl actually try to say. you seem learn resistent.
i try again....
all/most australian pvp guilds rolling on one faction..... just random pugs on the other factions....
which faction will have the highest pop in pvp and why?
maybe u can work this out on your own with a bit of thinking, i will even allow your guildies to help you with finding the answer to this one, if that's any help
just for fun and just to be a *** like u have been the whole time in this thread....
"We are hitting TESO pretty hard, I'd say we have a stronger roster than in GW2
Look out!!"
"Lets do it right and make it a fun fill in for the guild. Healers return. I would think we could land on the ground ingame with 40-50 veteran members! Cuddles and I agree that we should change recruitment policy from the start of ESO to totaly open recruitment to enable us to achieve more and maintain a working force ingame for much longer."
so....40-50 vet members....yet with your 20 synapse ppl you could never field more than 24 ppl online to pvp with.....how many ppl do you think the random pug guilds on other factions will be able to field???
i think we all understand by now that you and your "not alliance/friends" only used to field about 24 ppl in pvp, yet 24 "organized" ppl with 100 random pugs at their back ain't gonna make the random pugs of the other factions stick around
here's another question for you then, which yet remains to be answered, which australian pvp guild u know of said they would roll on ep or dc?0 -
FireCowCommando✭✭✭✭✭The best advice i can give to any of you that are frustrated at any point in any game by something that is out of your control and not likely to change quickly is to stop trying. It will only make you more upset, and as previously mentioned, isn't going to change any time soon.
Try to have fun, if that's not working for you, find something else that's more fun. Your paying to play this game and should be enjoying it, don't get stuck playing it as if they were paying you.
The AD population isn't going to change, some nights the EP/DC will have enough players to stop them, others your better off not logging in at all.Edited by FireCowCommando on April 30, 2014 10:37AM0 -
Gunsang✭✭✭Sykotik_ESO wrote: »I really fail to see how anyone can seriously think a human being playing in their timezone, when they have the time to, is exploiting...that's just one of the most idiotic statements a person can utter about a games AvA.
It amazes me how many Americans believe the world revolves around them.
I'm Canadian, lets start off with that.
Secondly, as Lord_Draevan mentions + that they do this willingly, on purpose, to stack sides and log in during down times to specifically avoid entire fights. It's an intentional stacking issue during the hours they intentionally chose.
If you took the time to read above--or any of the thread, that may have been one less stereotypical "idiotic statement" to utter about AvA.
Make our own competition?
10 pages into this thread we've asked once per page how that is to be achieved ... not 1 logical reply.
Go ahead genius. Map it out for us.
We don't care how many people leave from the America(s) Times Zones. That is irrelevant. We care how many leave from the Oce/SEA timezone to hide on Campaigns where THEY become the zerg faction. We've witnessed this on Bloodthorne and Wabbajack.
There aren't enough of them for use to make it a 'HOME' campaign. However there are enough of them combined to make a difference to the environment on AB.
Don't kid yourself that people leaving AB to play on a map that's painted there own color "all night" is justified.
Try dividing yourselves among campaigns, making alts to fight each other--YOU CHOSE TO STACK, YOU TOOK THAT DECISION. I hope that can be read.
And there you go "genius". Mapped and justified, but I didn't say anything but that other campaigns that EP went to--to do that same thing was right. I said it was no better.
If you couldn't think for yourself the solution (that could of been "mapped" with crayons), then that really is setting a low expectation.
To top this all of, we've been trying to have constructive talks and proposed solutions (IE: reducing campaigns, population difference buffs), but it always SEEMS to be de-railed by pelvis first thinking and sterotyping. NOW MOVING ON--
If what I'm hearing is correct, a buff is being placed for population differences. Is this going to be too weak/strong of a buff?
Edited by Gunsang on April 30, 2014 10:59AMToo many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. And the more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have. - Thomas Hildern0 -
wnwtan✭
Try dividing yourselves among campaigns, making alts to fight each other--YOU CHOSE TO STACK, YOU TOOK THAT DECISION. I hope that can be read.
And there you go "genius". Mapped and justified, but I didn't say anything but that other campaigns that EP went to--to do that same thing was right. I said it was no better.
If you couldn't think for yourself the solution (that could of been "mapped" with crayons), then that really is setting a low expectation.
Yep cuz 24 man stacks are so game breaking.0 -
Sylvanna✭@Istvar "all/most australian pvp guilds rolling on one faction..... just random pugs on the other factions...."
I'd like to highly disagree with that highly controversial statement. You seem to be very much misunderstood about the big picture here. If you had been following the pre-launch recruitment threads, there were sufficient PvP guilds spread out amongst the 3 factions on the NA megaserver,most of which have disappeared by now, as you can see from the daily primetime pop where every faction is 'low' other than AB AD. If you have been here since the beginning of AB, you'd have known that AB was competitive 24/7, even in Oceanic primetime, not desolate like now. We absolutely know for a fact that this EP/DC population HAS existed in the past. Of course, no one knows what happened to them, and we can only speculate at this point of time, but that is not the main point of this thread.
I'm repeating the fact that us ex-TA guilds are only a small fraction of this ridiculous, massive Oceanic primetime AD zerg because you (and some others) keep pointing the fingers at us "stacking" on AD and inferring that somehow, we are to blame for this massive imbalance in population. I'm sure by now, you realise how ridiculous that sounds right? If we had the numbers back in GW2 TA, I'd definitely keep quiet because we did recruit many hardcore PvP guilds back then in order to ensure 24/7 coverage. However, this is obviously not the case in TESO.
Before we digress from the main point of this entire thread, I'd like to remind you that this is not about us. It is about AD as a whole, and EP/DC as well. We have the ability to be organized and wipe people 2-3x our size, but this is impossible for EP/DC to handle if we have 100 people behind us. You are right on that point.
Thus, I beseech you and others who wish to point fingers blindly, please stop. You are not helping the discussion, nor the situation in AB (or the entire Oceanic timezone, for that matter). What we want is for Zenimax to notice and at least attempt to improve the situation for this population imbalance, not to quarrel amongst ourselves on why this ridiculous situation is happening.1 -
Gunsang✭✭✭
Try dividing yourselves among campaigns, making alts to fight each other--YOU CHOSE TO STACK, YOU TOOK THAT DECISION. I hope that can be read.
And there you go "genius". Mapped and justified, but I didn't say anything but that other campaigns that EP went to--to do that same thing was right. I said it was no better.
If you couldn't think for yourself the solution (that could of been "mapped" with crayons), then that really is setting a low expectation.
Yep cuz 24 man stacks are so game breaking.
...We're talking 100+ in one direction here. Might want to brush up with the rest of the thread's discussion there, bud.@Istvar "all/most australian pvp guilds rolling on one faction..... just random pugs on the other factions...."
I'd like to highly disagree with that highly controversial statement. You seem to be very much misunderstood about the big picture here. If you had been following the pre-launch recruitment threads, there were sufficient PvP guilds spread out amongst the 3 factions on the NA megaserver,most of which have disappeared by now, as you can see from the daily primetime pop where every faction is 'low' other than AB AD. If you have been here since the beginning of AB, you'd have known that AB was competitive 24/7, even in Oceanic primetime, not desolate like now. We absolutely know for a fact that this EP/DC population HAS existed in the past. Of course, no one knows what happened to them, and we can only speculate at this point of time, but that is not the main point of this thread.
I'm repeating the fact that us ex-TA guilds are only a small fraction of this ridiculous, massive Oceanic primetime AD zerg because you (and some others) keep pointing the fingers at us "stacking" on AD and inferring that somehow, we are to blame for this massive imbalance in population. I'm sure by now, you realise how ridiculous that sounds right? If we had the numbers back in GW2 TA, I'd definitely keep quiet because we did recruit many hardcore PvP guilds back then in order to ensure 24/7 coverage. However, this is obviously not the case in TESO.
Before we digress from the main point of this entire thread, I'd like to remind you that this is not about us. It is about AD as a whole, and EP/DC as well. We have the ability to be organized and wipe people 2-3x our size, but this is impossible for EP/DC to handle if we have 100 people behind us. You are right on that point.
Thus, I beseech you and others who wish to point fingers blindly, please stop. You are not helping the discussion, nor the situation in AB (or the entire Oceanic timezone, for that matter). What we want is for Zenimax to notice and at least attempt to improve the situation for this population imbalance, not to quarrel amongst ourselves on why this ridiculous situation is happening.
Some AD, some EP, some DC--but neither of them as a whole stack on purpose. I'd know the people I often talk to just "log-in and play" regardless of the time, and they're AD on Auriel's Bow.
We haven't actually heard from the other PvP guilds, so we can only speculate as to what might of happened until we hear from them. If anyone has a few posts from them, now would be much appreciated to see them.
They're putting in a buff for population differences based on what I'm hearing--which would of been a nice discussion if it wasn't de-railed so quickly by mind-blowing assumptions and ego frenzies.Edited by Gunsang on April 30, 2014 11:15AMToo many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. And the more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have. - Thomas Hildern0 -
wnwtan✭nope i'm talking about 24 because you people seem convinced that the ex TA guilds ARE the problem. we field 24 men or less at any given time, so..... 24 it is.0
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Gunsang✭✭✭nope i'm talking about 24 because you people seem convinced that the ex TA guilds ARE the problem. we field 24 men or less at any given time, so..... 24 it is.
We don't see guild names in the battlefield attached to people's names. We just see people. People and their faction. Guilds are behind the curtain or neat little names attached to point ownership.
Edited by Gunsang on April 30, 2014 11:27AMToo many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. And the more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have. - Thomas Hildern0 -
Istvar✭oh look a proper answer instead of just some random chest beating and patronizing.
here is my take on it:
if u have been experiencing the australian mmo community over multiple mmos like i have you should know one thing by now and that's how fickle a crowd australian mmo players are.
there really is only a handfull of competetive australien guilds out there in my opinion.
How many of those PvP guilds that were spread out among all 3 factions have proven themselves in multiple mmos?
in other words, i do not think that either faction at this time has a pro guild like yours to rally behind to give ppl an incentive to return to the lakes and make them feel like they actually have a fighting chance.
if you ever played WAR you would know how pug pvp works.
you win- you will have a huge player base of pugs reaping the rewards
you lose - noone logs on and plays because pvp is bad! and everyone on the other faction cheats!2 -
Gunsang✭✭✭oh look a proper answer instead of just some random chest beating and patronizing.
here is my take on it:
if u have been experiencing the australian mmo community over multiple mmos like i have you should know one thing by now and that's how fickle a crowd australian mmo players are.
there really is only a handfull of competetive australien guilds out there in my opinion.
How many of those PvP guilds that were spread out among all 3 factions have proven themselves in multiple mmos?
in other words, i do not think that either faction at this time has a pro guild like yours to rally behind to give ppl an incentive to return to the lakes and make them feel like they actually have a fighting chance.
if you ever played WAR you would know how pug pvp works.
you win- you will have a huge player base of pugs reaping the rewards
you lose - noone logs on and plays because pvp is bad! and everyone on the other faction cheats!
Though I wouldn't exactly call them pugs for being organized to do what they choose, it's like a semi... pug. Could be a guild with a lot of people just tagging along. Either or, it's a strong sharper then sharp spike of 100+ people suddenly chugging the train almost every night.
I'm not sure who's guild you're talking about nor have I played WAR, so I can't really comment on that. I have no PvP guild. I don't even group up with anyone in PvP. 95% of the time I'm on my own and I'm nearing top 100 (WHICH KEEPS ELUDING MY GRASP! GAAHH!)
I know the later of losing is actually a preference in this game. I like it when we're attacked or slowly falling back each point, but we're definitely seeing the same thing every night as mentioned above. I personally hate attacking--horse simulator and all that jazz is simply not my preference.
How many of those PvP guilds that were spread out among all 3 factions have proven themselves in multiple mmos?
This... this... oh god I'm speechless. A dream guild... why you do this to me?!Edited by Gunsang on April 30, 2014 11:48AMToo many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. And the more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have. - Thomas Hildern0 -
JexTex✭✭lol this happens in most pvp mmo's the sea players usually login and take everything without even be challenged then they log off we take stuff back etc....its dumb....but if they like playing pvp without any challeges than it is what it is... boring imo0
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Zagz✭Being EP on AB is amazing, Always tons of enemies to slaughter......
The people complaining about them taking everything care way to much about keeps and numbers.
Just find some friends, learn to pvp, kill zerglings = Fun to no end.
STOP CARING SOMUCH ABOUT MEANINGLESS THINGS LIKE #s and KEEPS
Enjoy the pvp by doing pvp.....
If that's a problem for you then you are probably a mindless zerger yourself.1 -
beravinprb19_ESO✭✭✭People just don't get it. I am an Australian player, and I guest in AB from time to time. As an EP player, I just can't find enjoyment on this server. The odds are stacked against me in a way that does not seem fair, and as such, I have made the decision to move on to greener pastures. For the sake of argument, these are the main reasons for my decision:
1. I log in to play, only to see that yellow has control of everything.
2. Anything I take will just be taken back in a matter of minutes.
3. I, and any group I try and make or join, will always be outnumbered.
5. Yellow will always have an Emperor and all of the Elder Scrolls.
6. If we make a move on a keep, then a group 3:1 our numbers shows up.
7. I cant pick solo fights because most of my enemies roam as a group.
8. If I mess up once, I have to stealth past the zerg at the gate.
Throw in all the other PvP issues and you have a recipe for disaster. I can't fix these issues by staying, so why should I stay? I'm not going to sit through a horrible PvP experience just so that you guys can get your kicks... No, I am going to find a different server to call home. It might not have much of a population, but at least it won't be stacked against me.Edited by beravinprb19_ESO on April 30, 2014 12:46PM0 -
Gunsang✭✭✭Like I said before, you can join AB PvP around 3-5pm EST and things get balanced out--at least, mostly. If you can't, then you have my condolences. I'm sure there will be a server you can find that has even battles at your log-in times.
One-sided ****kickings don't earn you much AP out of the day compared to going in at prime time for everyone, and the only possible reward for it is faction bonus placement for end-campaign rewards--which may be very very very minor or turn into something very minor due to the continued rates of things that are being seen across all servers.
In which case, anyone stacking on purpose at any downtime for one-sided ****kickings is wasting everyone's time. In fact, it's extremely unproductive. Hell, it's downright stupid.Edited by Gunsang on April 30, 2014 12:45PMToo many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. And the more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have. - Thomas Hildern0 -
Lord_Draevan✭✭✭✭✭
✭That is irrelevant. We care how many leave from the Oce/SEA timezone to hide on Campaigns where THEY become the zerg faction. We've witnessed this on Bloodthorne and Wabbajack.
Don't kid yourself that people leaving AB to play on a map that's painted there own color "all night" is justified.
I do hope you're not implying that the AD doesn't abandon servers for ones where their faction dominates, that only the EP and DC do this... because that's about as accurate as saying the sky is fluorescent green. AD does it just as much as anyone else.
I play on Wabbajack, and it's not my color "all night", it's EP half the time and DC half the time. I only play during NA time, when it's certainly not my color, we're lucky to hold 4-5 keeps when DC is hitting us.
And since Auriel's is AD dominated 2/3s of the time, i.e all one color, I fail to see the point you're trying to make.Edited by Lord_Draevan on April 30, 2014 2:02PMI'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server1 -
Marstar✭Lord_Draevan wrote: »
I certainly hope you're not implying that the AD doesn't abandon servers for ones where their factions dominate, that only the EP and DC do this... because that's about as accurate as saying the sky is fluorescent green. AD does it just as much as anyone else.
No, lol. The coat-tail riders on AD are in full force on Dawnbreaker and AB. My post makes no such hypocritical assessment.FYI, I play on Wabbajack, and it's not "my color all night", it's EP half the time and DC half the time. I only play during NA time, when it's certainly not my color, we're lucky to hold 4-5 keeps when DC is hitting us.
And since Auriel's is AD dominated 2/3s of the time, i.e all one color, I fail to see the point you're trying to make.
You seem to be stumbling on the fact that what happens in the NA times-zone is of NO relevance to this conversation. Open the other eye and/or take off the blinkers. During NA it's 2v1 against AD on AB. Does any1 care? Is any1 complaining about this fact? No. That's working as intended.
It's what happens as we moving into Oce Prime through SEA Prime that this thread is about. If you consolidate the Oce/SEA player base so that each operates at 3+ bars for most of the 24H period then you have a balanced campaign.
The point:
There is only enough people in Cyrodiil during these timezones to make one competitive Campaign for Oce/SEA players, and thus one true 24/7 Campaign.
AB has the LARGEST DC and EP population. They need HELP from those hiding on the other campaigns.
Spreading the AD population off AB is NOT the solution.
Is it really that hard to understand?
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Gunsang✭✭✭Ugh... oh boy. I think this thread needs to be locked.
It's a merry-go-round of misconceptions and ego. Lets see how the patch works out.Too many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. And the more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have. - Thomas Hildern0 -
Marstar✭Try dividing yourselves among campaigns, making alts to fight each other--YOU CHOSE TO STACK, YOU TOOK THAT DECISION. I hope that can be read.
ROFLMAO you want 24-36 people to split into 3 groups of ~12 in order to WvW against each other in Cyrodiil?
Hey lets spend another 2 weeks grinding out alts in "PVE" and pay a subscription for some 12v12v12 action. Because TESO is the only game out there ...
*Edit: It's unacceptable to attack other forums members*And there you go "genius". Mapped and justified, but I didn't say anything but that other campaigns that EP went to--to do that same thing was right. I said it was no better.
If you couldn't think for yourself the solution (that could of been "mapped" with crayons), then that really is setting a low expectation.
*Edit: It's unacceptable to attack other forums members*To top this all of, we've been trying to have constructive talks and proposed solutions (IE: reducing campaigns, population difference buffs), but it always SEEMS to be de-railed by pelvis first thinking and sterotyping. NOW MOVING ON--
If what I'm hearing is correct, a buff is being placed for population differences. Is this going to be too weak/strong of a buff?
This thread was not created, nor intended as a place to discuss "the state of the game".
Every1 agrees that there needs to be campaign consolidation. What is there to discuss more there?
This "Buff" to be applied is a farce, and clearly shows a lack of understanding as to what is needed for WvW balance. It's completely counter intuitive.
a) You have people complaining about Vamp/Batswarm users being able to take on 10:1 odds.
How is nerfing Vamp/Bats and applying a "new buff for ALL" undermanned opponents (not just the Vamps) going to change the prospects of those 3-5 VR enemies "ganking" outside your Keep and picking you off as you try get to the next Battle?
Isn't that same the thing as ?
Now the 3-5 of them are unstoppable and promotes forming zergs to take them (because we know these players rarely come out and fight if they can't autowin.) Just so they can wait for you get bored and move on and rinse/repeat.
b) At the other end, "fixing" the AE limit on many skills that are essential to the survival of smaller groups against the larger ones.
So you can't fight them toe to toe, and they can't fight you if you have numbers.
Brilliant !!!!
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Lord_Draevan✭✭✭✭✭
✭You seem to be stumbling on the fact that what happens in the NA times-zone is of NO relevance to this conversation. Open the other eye and/or take off the blinkers. During NA it's 2v1 against AD on AB. Does any1 care? Is any1 complaining about this fact? No. That's working as intended.
It's what happens as we moving into Oce Prime through SEA Prime that this thread is about. If you consolidate the Oce/SEA player base so that each operates at 3+ bars for most of the 24H period then you have a balanced campaign.
The point:
There is only enough people in Cyrodiil during these timezones to make one competitive Campaign for Oce/SEA players, and thus one true 24/7 Campaign.
AB has the LARGEST DC and EP population. They need HELP from those hiding on the other campaigns.
Spreading the AD population off AB is NOT the solution.
Is it really that hard to understand?
I would love for Auriel's to be an evenly balanced campaign 24/7. I just don't see it happening.
AD is at High or Full during the Oceanic prime time. That's about 600 players. To balance it out, we'd need 600 EP and 600 DC. I HIGHLY doubt that if you took every single person from the other servers during Oceanic prime you'd get those numbers. I've checked on other servers during those times, and spoken with EP and DC Oceanic players regarding their numbers. You'd be lucky to scrape together 100 EP and 100 DC for Oceanic Prime time. Until we find enough, asking them to come to AB is not going to work. No one wants to spend their play time losing constantly to overwhelming numbers each day.
It certainly doesn't help that so many people deleted their EP and DC characters and went AD "because they're winning". I know that my old guild lost 50 people like that, and that was in a small guild of 170 people.Edited by Lord_Draevan on April 30, 2014 2:49PMI'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server1 -
Gunsang✭✭✭Try dividing yourselves among campaigns, making alts to fight each other--YOU CHOSE TO STACK, YOU TOOK THAT DECISION. I hope that can be read.
ROFLMAO you want 24-36 people to split into 3 groups of ~12 in order to WvW against each other in Cyrodiil?
Hey lets spend another 2 weeks grinding out alts in "PVE" and pay a subscription for some 12v12v12 action. Because TESO is the only game out there ...
*Edit: It's unacceptable to attack other forums members*And there you go "genius". Mapped and justified, but I didn't say anything but that other campaigns that EP went to--to do that same thing was right. I said it was no better.
If you couldn't think for yourself the solution (that could of been "mapped" with crayons), then that really is setting a low expectation.
*Edit: It's unacceptable to attack other forums members*To top this all of, we've been trying to have constructive talks and proposed solutions (IE: reducing campaigns, population difference buffs), but it always SEEMS to be de-railed by pelvis first thinking and sterotyping. NOW MOVING ON--
If what I'm hearing is correct, a buff is being placed for population differences. Is this going to be too weak/strong of a buff?
This thread was not created, nor intended as a place to discuss "the state of the game".
Every1 agrees that there needs to be campaign consolidation. What is there to discuss more there?
This "Buff" to be applied is a farce, and clearly shows a lack of understanding as to what is needed for WvW balance. It's completely counter intuitive.
a) You have people complaining about Vamp/Batswarm users being able to take on 10:1 odds.
How is nerfing Vamp/Bats and applying a "new buff for ALL" undermanned opponents (not just the Vamps) going to change the prospects of those 3-5 VR enemies "ganking" outside your Keep and picking you off as you try get to the next Battle?
Isn't that same the thing as ?
Now the 3-5 of them are unstoppable and promotes forming zergs to take them (because we know these players rarely come out and fight if they can't autowin.) Just so they can wait for you get bored and move on and rinse/repeat.
b) At the other end, "fixing" the AE limit on many skills that are essential to the survival of smaller groups against the larger ones.
So you can't fight them toe to toe, and they can't fight you if you have numbers.
Brilliant !!!!
Oh boy... I hope the GM's enjoy looking over your post.
a) This isn't about vampires, bats, or ults. Wrong thread.
b) Calm down
c) I didn't say it was intended to discuss "the state of the game".
d) Hug Teddy
e) You asked for it to be mapped. There it is. You're the one getting worked up.
f) You like letters? I do too.
g) I scratched out the rest because it's "irrelevant".
You're obviously de-railing this, sarcasm doesn't work well on the internet, and next time take it up with staff if you have a problem. Me and you are done.
Was heartbreaking to say the least. Edited by ZOS_UlyssesW on April 30, 2014 5:56PMToo many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. And the more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have. - Thomas Hildern0 -
Marstar✭Lord_Draevan wrote: »I would love for Auriel's to be an evenly balanced campaign 24/7. I just don't see it happening.
AD is at High or Full during the Oceanic prime time. That's about 600 players. To balance it out, we'd need 600 EP and 600 DC. I HIGHLY doubt that if you took every single person from the other servers during Oceanic prime you'd get those numbers. I've checked on other servers during those times, and spoken with EP and DC Oceanic players regarding their numbers. You'd be lucky to scrape together 100 EP and 100 DC for Oceanic Prime time. Until we find enough, asking them to come to AB is not going to work. No one wants to spend their play time losing constantly to overwhelming numbers each day.
It certainly doesn't help that so many people deleted their EP and DC characters and went AD "because they're winning". I know that my old guild lost 50 people like that, and that was in a small guild of 170 people.
On a good night DC and EP were hitting 2-3 bars and going against us 2v1. An extra 100 people per faction wouldn't make thing better?
You basically saying it's ok for these guys to go to a campaign they are "winning constantly", because?
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Marstar✭Oh boy... I hope the GM's enjoy looking over your post.
a) This isn't about vampires, bats, or ults. Wrong thread.
b) Calm down
c) I didn't say it was intended to discuss "the state of the game".
d) Hug Teddy
e) You asked for it to be mapped. There it is. You're the one getting worked up.
f) You like letters? I do too.
g) I scratched out the rest because it's "irrelevant".
You're obviously de-railing this, sarcasm doesn't work well on the internet, and next time take it up with staff if you have a problem. Me and you are done.
Was heartbreaking to say the least.
Don't forget the money on the bedside table?
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Gunsang✭✭✭Oh boy... I hope the GM's enjoy looking over your post.
a) This isn't about vampires, bats, or ults. Wrong thread.
b) Calm down
c) I didn't say it was intended to discuss "the state of the game".
d) Hug Teddy
e) You asked for it to be mapped. There it is. You're the one getting worked up.
f) You like letters? I do too.
g) I scratched out the rest because it's "irrelevant".
You're obviously de-railing this, sarcasm doesn't work well on the internet, and next time take it up with staff if you have a problem. Me and you are done.
Was heartbreaking to say the least.
Don't forget the money on the bedside table?
Seems you're still not done with Teddy, or the staff (infractions above). When you're done with them, let me know in-game and I'm sure we'll return to being just friends. For now, and for the health of the forums--stop or be glossed over. Thanks for understanding.
@Lord_Draevan
Do you know the approximate prime times for Wabbajack? I'm flexible with changing my hours around...
If any other campaign can post their prime-times, I'd love to pop in and see how it works out. Heck, I'm sure it'd help a lot of players to see where they could fit in instead of Auriel's Bow Oceanic time problem.
Right now I've made the most of it and timed Auriel's Bow for my own hours. The problem is (for me),is that it can be rather short or end up in a mess in just a couple hours.Edited by Gunsang on April 30, 2014 6:10PMToo many people have opinions on things they know nothing about. And the more ignorant they are, the more opinions they have. - Thomas Hildern0 -
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I mean between 3am EST to 3pm EST, when EP and DC are usually at 1 bar while AD is usually at full... so maybe "night" isn't a good term for me to use.
On a good night DC and EP were hitting 2-3 bars and going against us 2v1. An extra 100 people per faction wouldn't make thing better?
You basically saying it's ok for these guys to go to a campaign they are "winning constantly", because?
I never said I approve of anyone jumping ship for a server where their faction is dominating. If EP and DC are abandoning the server to go to one where their factions is utterly winning, then I disprove. If they're going to one where there's good competition, then I have no problem.
Of course I have no idea what the servers are like in Oceanic prime time as I'm asleep. All I know is that AD is at High or Full on Auriel's and all others servers are at Low. I checked one day at about 4:30 am and screenshoted the server populations for reference. All servers and all factions were at Low except Auriel's at Full AD.I'm a man of few words. Any questions?NA/PC server1