LimeFox wrote: »

It's literally the only thing in the game thus far that's made me want to rage quit.

Oh good, that wasn't just me swearing at my monitor and scaring the cats.

It's no problem until you menage to catch the way to do it.
I defeated it with no issues on the 2-3 try don't remember.
1 st boss- Perma Hold block , then siphoning or skill that drains health from the boss mana related (stamina is used for blocking) , drink stamina potion when you stamina goes down, kill some skeleton, hold block etc.
Dead... doppelganger
2 nd boss- almost same tactic
3 rd boss - same
Ps. stay close to your partner NPC in this quest so it kills skeletons , aslo try not get git when doppelganger makes the AOE magic especially for the 1 st boss ,
Also for the last boss kill the sheres fefore they reach her, they die in one hit

NightWatch wrote: »

I have to agree with the OP, this boss is one of several reasons why I told my friends not to buy this game, the Lyris Doppleganger is grossly over powered, the posters who say it's easy are full of crap. Shoot the balls, no problem until the lag kicks in and you can't shoot anything and of course your weapons target her and not the balls; stay back from the attacks, except she's faster then you; etc.

I'm actually with you. If I wanted to get my face ground off by BS difficulty spikes, I would have stuck with TSW's Scenarios.

As a 36 NB DW, I thought she was quite easy. Just let Lyris, if you brought Lyris, I don't know about Tharn, take the beating and kill the orbs when they come. should go down quite easy.

Except here's the problem - the spheres don't die in one hit for me. They take 3-4 hits. With a blue critical chance weapon and all the crit buff I can stack. And my bow occassionally targets her instead of the orbs, and my companion does nothing, and when I circle her I get stuck on the scenery, for pete's sake. She's occassionally done a knock back blow and put me IN the scenery, in which case I can't move, can't dodge, and die.

Finally, my AoE is my ultimate. That's it. I can't exactly spam it. If I was playing a templar or dragonknight, I'd have killed her easily at 35. If the mechanics of the fight WORKED, I would say it was fine. But they don't, they're broken, and it just adds artificial difficulty. Either fix the glitches, allow grouping, or nerf the boss. But there's really a lot that can be fixed with that fight without needing to nerf it.

I don't feel a sense of satisfaction after killing a boss ten levels below me that I've died to 30+ times. I expect to die a few times to learn the mechanics, sure, but not again and again. It doesn't feel exciting or fun, it feels like I should play something else.

(For the inevitable trolls who'll tell me to just leave - I may well do that. After my job writing about this game is up though.) I can name so many games I've gone through on Hard mode and insane and ENJOYED... but that was intended difficulty. This is just glitches. You can't tell me the final boss of the game is harder than this. They aren't. Final boss was a faceroll compared to this stupid harvester.

otis67 wrote: »

As a 36 NB DW, I thought she was quite easy. Just let Lyris, if you brought Lyris, I don't know about Tharn, take the beating and kill the orbs when they come. should go down quite easy.

Uh, did you read my post?

I died several times at the first boss of this quest, playing as a Dragonknight. The Lyris fight was extremely simple compared to the first in my case. Was able to defeat her on the first try. Just circle around her and be sure to destroy the healing globes coming towards her, they will also heal you.

Also:

NightWatch wrote: »

I have to agree with the OP, this boss is one of several reasons why I told my friends not to buy this game, the Lyris Doppleganger is grossly over powered, the posters who say it's easy are full of crap.

Just LOL

Took all 4 classes thorough this quest within 2 levels of it. Even when the followers actually fight they are usually soon defeated and stand there. Still, although it is a tough fight it is not that hard.

Slotting some sort of heal and ranged DPS on any class helps a bunch in this sort of fight. People who refuse to do so may struggle on many fights past 30.

But don't worry, instead they will nerf it just like they have the rest of the solo fights.

Yeah, not sure what people are whining about. Did this at 31 on first attempt with Lyris as my worthless companion. gg

Oolou wrote: »

I think the problem with the quest is not the level of difficulty of the mob - its the lack of aid from the NPC helper. If that was working so they were effectively tanking, then the quest would be doable.

I'm going to assume that the NPC helper bugging out is not WAI. And so the quest difficulty is higher as a result.

I hope they don't nerf the mob. I do hope they sort out the NPC probs.

Getting one aoe ability and one healing ability is kinda sensible though if you are soloing.

Well they better do that as judging from forum this + Molag Bal quest appear to be the biggest problems with the main story stuff. Also Mannimarco fight is very same deal - Lyris has trouble with helping and as a result fight is much more difficult than it is supposed to be.

Also with enough defense and hp you don't need self heals for that fight (consider this as an alternative). Balls heal for enough to keep player alive assuming player can deal with them.

No issues for my wife (sorc) or myself (templar) finishing (without a single wipe) at level 30.

Make sure you are buffed and have pots quickslotted.

Good luck!

Edit: don't forget, a well timed ultimate can make a difference too.

LOL I totally know where you're coming from OP!

I did this quest at level 33 on my Vamp NB Dual Wield/ Bow build. This character is very powerful, but that Lyris *** had my number lol.

I was swearing like a banshee in TS as she killed me time and again. I'm positive she and the orbs we bugged because my buddies were doing the quest at the same time with minimal difficulty. Mind you, one was a Templar and the other a DK.

When I killed Doshia, it was a cake walk. I just interrupted her everything she tried to cast, and she couldn't even get the orbs off, let alone a damaging spell. I tried the technique again and it was total fail. The orbs were chain spawning and I would swing at them and they wouldn't die. I had to physically tab target them individually to kill them. Welp, there's no way that's going to work when you are toe to toe with her, trying to interrupt her, beat her down and have 4 orbs to kill, which virtually respawn immediately. I tried every frigging combo of melee skills I had, but could not bring her down anywhere near close enough before she would kill me. I chased the orbs, she killed me. I ignored the orbs, I couldn't get her health down past 3/4. I must have died 30 times! Man was I pissed. Being a vamp is powerful, but in drawn out boss fights it can be a hindrance. Especially if you always forget to feed yourself down to stage 1 before these damned quests like I do lol. And if there's fire like the third boss. Very ouchy. You can only Drain once per mob, so one of a Vamp's most powerful melee tactics is rendered essentially useless.

So I figured it was Bow time. I had tried it earlier in my string of deaths but there was no way I could shoot the orbs so I promptly abandoned it. After I figured out I had to actually tab target each orb, I got things to work. Essentially, it was tab target each orb quickly, kill them, Magnum shot the ***, get a couple plinks in, run and repeat. Whittled her down on my 2nd try with my bow technique.

Moral of the story is she is definitely beatable, and easily too (I had completely broken gear by the time I beat her) if you can happen upon the correct technique for your build earlier rather than later. I have to agree though that she was ridiculously difficult to find the technique vs other bosses I've come across.

Damn I hated her by the time I was finished though lol.

As a melee Templar with limited healing. I kept running away from her until she lost interest in me and attacked Lyris. Yes Lyris was next to useless (so much for immersion) and barely poke at her, but if I didn't hit her then Lyris' attempts were enough to switch agro. Once pre-occupied with Lyris then would launch in assault and then back off again (as well as dealing with the healing orbs)

I died once, just watching the mechanics then the second time it took about 15 minutes, but in the end victorius

Yankee wrote: »

Mememe wrote: »

I did this as a 30 and didn't die once in the whole instance as a cloth wearing sorc.

Either some builds are really op and some are useless or it's a ltp issue. I don't know which.

I will say that at level 38 my cloth Sorc seems more powerful than the other three classes to me. I think I died 3 or maybe 4 times to 38 questing. Of course the fourth time through EP I know the mobs and quests pretty well.

Hardly anything lives long enough to get in range to touch me because of high DPS ranged skills and knockdowns. I have not needed to swap to my 2 hand weapon in 20 levels.

My other classes had a harder time on this fight because my skills/passives were put mostly into melee and tank spells, so pulling out my unleveled bow did not hit very hard.

TLDR; I think fights like these are tougher for someone who specced primary melee. If so, that is not really fair.

Yeah, these fights are murder for players that have specialized in single target damage or melee, and borderline impossible if they're both.

Killed her on 3 characters at level without dying once...

No offense, but I hope they don't keep nerfing all these fights.

If you're failing it's because you're not playing well enough. It's not because the fight is unfair. Keep trying until you get it.